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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 7, 2017 8:51:16 GMT
That's one of the biggest things that I've seen happen in the Dragon Age community - there's this pervasive attitude that somehow Dorian's friendship with the female Inquisitor needs to be the most important relationship in his life. Like, sure, I understand people not being comfortable with Dorian/Iron Bull as presented, but... I've seen a lot of support for this idea of 'don't let him and Bull get together, so that when he leaves in Trespasser, he's upset about leaving his bestest best friend, not his icky abusive boyfriend!' Like... If they can't reduce Dorian into this prop of a sexless best friend, they want nothing to do with that characterization. (I also think that the allowance of the casual flirting which Dorian apologizes for encouraging in a very 'in another life...' kind of fashion encourages it somewhat, and that rubs me wrong about his portrayal, but that's another thing entirely.) Yeah, people like to say that just because they're able to love this fantasy they have of a gay person, be they a figure of puerile fantasy for straight males or some kind of fashionista sidekick for straight women, but once they're exposed to gay people who are literally not meant to support that fantasy, they get up in arms about it, because how dare these gay characters not conform to the monolithic set of beliefs they see all gay people as having to conform to. Yyyyeah. One of the reasons I'm not a big fan of Dorian, in honesty, is it felt like a lot of straight women had zero problems reducing him to that stereotype. Probably not fair to blame the character, but it's hard not to let my irritation with the attitude bleed into the game. I bailed on an old forum I used to post on partly because they had a Dragon Age thread that was wall-to-wall women gushing over Dorian like an exotic pet. Tried to put up with it for awhile, but it did a hell of a job making me feel like a tagalong token. Oh, I certainly know that feeling. Like I said, I kinda feel that his writing encourages it to an extent, with him apologizing for "leading on" a female Inquisitor, in this very 'were I attracted to women, I would be attracted to you' fashion. Just leaves me with that sour taste, that impression that his writing saw making him a good best friend for a female Inquisitor as a priority, rather than as an independent character. *sigh* Like we said a few pages ago, queer characters are asked to be everything, and they can't live up to that...
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 8:57:51 GMT
I have to point out that that's untrue. Gil most certainly shuts Sara down and says he's only into guys. He can do this twice, depending on if you try it on his first or second flirt option. The thread was recently talking about how Suvi is the only one not to do this. As for Dorian, I can see how that would be taken badly, but some people do just like to flirt for fun. Oops, thanks for the correction lol. Honestly I hate having a Designated Flirt Button since there are sometimes where the flirt is just the nicest option in a sea of negative and not really entirely leading (only example I cant think of rn is that you either tell Dorian he has poor fashion tastes 3 different ways or say he dresses nice) and we should go back to the ninja-mancing hell that is Origins. You can pry the from my cold, dead hands. It's important to me, not because of whatever the NPC does, but because I want to know my character's intention in picking the line. The solution to your problem -- which I haven't observed to a great degree -- is to have the non-flirt choices just be better written, not remove the option. To me, most often there are times where all of the options seem pretty good. I can even give an example with the Gil romance, where I ignored the because I thought it was just a bit too much, and picked a different, positive option I liked instead. There was another time with Gil where I thought all of the options were good, but went with the flirt because it was my first time romancing him, in my first play, and I wanted to make sure everything went smoothly with activating the romance. In that case, I wished that the flirt was an additional option, instead of one of the main options, so I could have both in the same conversation.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 9:06:31 GMT
Oops, thanks for the correction lol. Honestly I hate having a Designated Flirt Button since there are sometimes where the flirt is just the nicest option in a sea of negative and not really entirely leading (only example I cant think of rn is that you either tell Dorian he has poor fashion tastes 3 different ways or say he dresses nice) and we should go back to the ninja-mancing hell that is Origins. You can pry the from my cold, dead hands. It's important to me, not because of whatever the NPC does, but because I want to know my character's intention in picking the line. The solution to your problem -- which I haven't observed to a great degree -- is to have the non-flirt choices just be better written, not remove the option. To me, most often there are times where all of the options seem pretty good. I can even give an example with the Gil romance, where I ignored the because I thought it was just a bit too much, and picked a different, positive option I liked instead. There was another time with Gil where I thought all of the options were good, but went with the flirt because it was my first time romancing him, in my first play, and I wanted to make sure everything went smoothly with activating the romance. In that case, I wished that the flirt was an additional option, instead of one of the main options, so I could have both in the same conversation. I agree, I love specific indications that a line leads to romantic intent. I loath ninjamances. I always wind up in one with Leli. There seems to be far too many ways to accidentally opt into that romance.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 9:08:50 GMT
You can pry the from my cold, dead hands. It's important to me, not because of whatever the NPC does, but because I want to know my character's intention in picking the line. The solution to your problem -- which I haven't observed to a great degree -- is to have the non-flirt choices just be better written, not remove the option. To me, most often there are times where all of the options seem pretty good. I can even give an example with the Gil romance, where I ignored the because I thought it was just a bit too much, and picked a different, positive option I liked instead. There was another time with Gil where I thought all of the options were good, but went with the flirt because it was my first time romancing him, in my first play, and I wanted to make sure everything went smoothly with activating the romance. In that case, I wished that the flirt was an additional option, instead of one of the main options, so I could have both in the same conversation. I agree, I love specific indications that a line leads to romantic intent. I loath ninjamances. I always wind up in one with Leli. There seems to be far too many ways to accidentally opt into that romance. I don't know how it plays for guys, since I've never had a male Warden. But I didn't really think that talking about hair and shoes and other girly stuff would lead her on >.<.
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Post by Pain Delta on May 7, 2017 9:10:34 GMT
Oops, thanks for the correction lol. Honestly I hate having a Designated Flirt Button since there are sometimes where the flirt is just the nicest option in a sea of negative and not really entirely leading (only example I cant think of rn is that you either tell Dorian he has poor fashion tastes 3 different ways or say he dresses nice) and we should go back to the ninja-mancing hell that is Origins. You can pry the from my cold, dead hands. It's important to me, not because of whatever the NPC does, but because I want to know my character's intention in picking the line. The solution to your problem -- which I haven't observed to a great degree -- is to have the non-flirt choices just be better written, not remove the option. To me, most often there are times where all of the options seem pretty good. I can even give an example with the Gil romance, where I ignored the because I thought it was just a bit too much, and picked a different, positive option I liked instead. There was another time with Gil where I thought all of the options were good, but went with the flirt because it was my first time romancing him, in my first play, and I wanted to make sure everything went smoothly with activating the romance. In that case, I wished that the flirt was an additional option, instead of one of the main options, so I could have both in the same conversation. I get it, and I do like aspects of it... but I like there being a companion intention too, not just me willing it vis a vis Clicking The Big Heart A Lot. In Origins the companions get crushes on you because what you say and what you do, and they act on their crush! My Warden saying I don't mind it (note- not that they like it, but I don't mind) Zevran looking at them from behind instigates the romance path with enough approval, because that is what constitutes as interest to his character. I didn't intend it, but it says something about his character. I then have to turn him down, which results in disapproval despite him playing it off cooly which sucks but hey heartbreak is a disapproval right? Fleshes out the relationship my Warden has with Zevran afterwards too. It was more immersive and interesting to me anyway... even if I accidentally got Zevran to betray me my first playthrough because I was afraid of accidentally flirting with him again lol why am I arguing this point (I still stand by it though !!!)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 9:11:57 GMT
I agree, I love specific indications that a line leads to romantic intent. I loath ninjamances. I always wind up in one with Leli. There seems to be far too many ways to accidentally opt into that romance. I don't know how it plays for guys, since I've never had a male Warden. But I didn't really think that talking about hair and shoes and other girly stuff would lead her on >.<. Yeah. that annoys me that I can't fan girl over fashion as a gay warden or a straight female warden without her thinking. "Mash me like a potato warden..do eet now!" :sob:
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 9:22:47 GMT
Oddly, I haven't seen straight girls treat Dorian this way. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just surprised. But I do enjoy his friendship path with a female Inquisitor (not that it's different than with the male Inquisitor). With my canon, they're like gay best friends, who platonically flirt with each other for fun. I like his friendship arc quite a bit and incorporate that into the romance. That is, I operate on the idea that he would have these feelings regardless, and the romantic feelings are just additional feelings. It's also important to consider too that not all female players take the flirty route with him. My first play was as a fem Inquisitor who romanced Cullen. This was planned as I knew the romance options in advance. I don't flirt with people other than my intended LI. I just don't play casually flirty characters. On that first play, it was bittersweet to have him tell me that he didn't expect to find a friend when coming down south. The only person you can hug in the whole damn game is Varric, and Hawke has to die for that. They really need to change that.
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Post by Pain Delta on May 7, 2017 9:33:19 GMT
Biower pls overcorrect the hideous mistake of not being able to hug more people in DAI, make DA4 a hugging companion simulator, thank u
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 9:33:47 GMT
I get it, and I do like aspects of it... but I like there being a companion intention too, not just me willing it vis a vis Clicking The Big Heart A Lot. In Origins the companions get crushes on you because what you say and what you do, and they act on their crush! My Warden saying I don't mind it (note- not that they like it, but I don't mind) Zevran looking at them from behind instigates the romance path with enough approval, because that is what constitutes as interest to his character. I didn't intend it, but it says something about his character. I then have to turn him down, which results in disapproval despite him playing it off cooly which sucks but hey heartbreak is a disapproval right? Fleshes out the relationship my Warden has with Zevran afterwards too. It was more immersive and interesting to me anyway... even if I accidentally got Zevran to betray me my first playthrough because I was afraid of accidentally flirting with him again lol why am I arguing this point (I still stand by it though !!!) I wouldn't mind this in combination with icons. I didn't even mind Anders flirting. You do you, Anders. What sucked about the Anders thing was that the rejection made Hawke sound like a total raging asshole. I didn't care about rivalry points; it was all how the turn-down option was presented. Because of that terrible reaction, I have to game that dialogue to (1) avoid the come on, (2) avoid the asshole rejection, and (3) pick something neutral. That "neutral" choice happens to be the purple option, which is semi-critical of the Justice choice. I still get rivalry, but at least I avoid those other two, so it's a net win in the end.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 9:39:20 GMT
I get it, and I do like aspects of it... but I like there being a companion intention too, not just me willing it vis a vis Clicking The Big Heart A Lot. In Origins the companions get crushes on you because what you say and what you do, and they act on their crush! My Warden saying I don't mind it (note- not that they like it, but I don't mind) Zevran looking at them from behind instigates the romance path with enough approval, because that is what constitutes as interest to his character. I didn't intend it, but it says something about his character. I then have to turn him down, which results in disapproval despite him playing it off cooly which sucks but hey heartbreak is a disapproval right? Fleshes out the relationship my Warden has with Zevran afterwards too. It was more immersive and interesting to me anyway... even if I accidentally got Zevran to betray me my first playthrough because I was afraid of accidentally flirting with him again lol why am I arguing this point (I still stand by it though !!!) I wouldn't mind this in combination with icons. I didn't even mind Anders flirting. You do you, Anders. What sucked about the Anders thing was that the rejection made Hawke sound like a total raging asshole. I didn't care about rivalry points; it was all how the turn-down option was presented. Because of that terrible reaction, I have to game that dialogue to (1) avoid the come on, (2) avoid the asshole rejection, and (3) pick something neutral. That "neutral" choice happens to be the purple option, which is semi-critical of the Justice choice. I still get rivalry, but at least I avoid those other two, so it's a net win in the end. I mean even if you don't take the filrt and accept a small rival point increase...doesn't he still get jelly later on if you pick fenris over him anyway? I mean is there really a good reason to not just give in and flirt with him? Just curious as I can't remember anymore.
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 7, 2017 9:40:04 GMT
Since we're talking about flirt options, I have this fever dream of getting two different flirt options from time to time. It does sometimes feel like (up until the point that the romance is locked in and the character can be talked to with normal conversation choices in the romance context) my character is the least like themselves with the person they romance because their usual personality has to be mostly mashed into the uniform option for the romance to progress. For Scott/Sara "my personality choices range from toast to white bread" Ryder (I kid, I kid... a little), that wasn't as much of a problem, but if I could have chosen it, my Paragon and Renegade Shepards probably would have had different flirting styles. I'm not asking for a DA:O style menue of 5 different choices, but maybe one option that is more passive/careful and one that is more proactive, or whatever else might makse sense in the conversation. It would also give the romances some replayability. However, I do recognise that would be a lot of time invested in optional content. Also, if a stereotypical redditor sees not one but two heart options on a male character, their console will probably spontaneously combust.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 9:50:38 GMT
I wouldn't mind this in combination with icons. I didn't even mind Anders flirting. You do you, Anders. What sucked about the Anders thing was that the rejection made Hawke sound like a total raging asshole. I didn't care about rivalry points; it was all how the turn-down option was presented. Because of that terrible reaction, I have to game that dialogue to (1) avoid the come on, (2) avoid the asshole rejection, and (3) pick something neutral. That "neutral" choice happens to be the purple option, which is semi-critical of the Justice choice. I still get rivalry, but at least I avoid those other two, so it's a net win in the end. I mean even if you don't take the filrt and accept a small rival point increase...doesn't he still get jelly later on if you pick fenris over him anyway? I mean is there really a good reason to not just give in and flirt with him? Just curious as I can't remember anymore. The reason is roleplay. I don't care what Anders does, it's about how I want my character to present themselves. Even if you don't hit the , he takes the blue response as encouragement, which I don't want because (1) I don't actually support the Justice merge, and (2) it leads to the come on, which in turn will force me to reject him in the following dialogue. In that scenario, picking the semi-neutral purple option takes a completely different path. It also leads to one of my favorite purple responses: "You're starting to glow again..." XD I don't play a purple Hawke, but I like diffusing that scene with humor. As for your question regarding Fenris, I believe he does. I don't specifically recall with the banter, but he does have one cinematic line in Act 3 where he asks you about it and compares Fenris to a wild beast. But whatever, I don't care about his crushing.
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Post by Pain Delta on May 7, 2017 9:50:50 GMT
Since we're talking about flirt options, I have this fever dream of getting two different flirt options from time to time. It does sometimes feel like my character is the least like themselves with the person they romance because their usual personality has to be mostly mashed into the uniform option for the romance to progress. For Scott/Sara "my personality choices range from toast to white bread" Ryder (I kid, I kid... a little), that wasn't as much of a problem, but if I could have chosen it, my Paragon and Renegade Shepards probably would have had different flirting styles. I'm not asking for a DA:O style menue of 5 different choices, but maybe one option that is more passive/careful and one that is more proactive, or whatever else might makse sense in the conversation. It would also give the romances some replayability. However, I do recognise that would be a lot of time invested in optional content. Also, if a stereotypical redditor sees not one but two heart options on a male character, their console will probably spontaneously combust. There were a few differing flirt options in DA2 I think, at least one with Anders that were along these lines. If I remember right one was more soft and romantic and the other was more shmarmy and typically flirty... I feel like this was a thing that happened and I'm not just imagining again lol. I FEEL like I saw two hearts once and went "Wow, weird." I think a casual flirt/direct flirt option wouldn't be too much to ask for, especially if there are a few middle-of-the-line flirts tossed in so it isn't always another dialogue tree. For me companions are the main draw so more interactions always feels like the obvious investment for the Bioware team to make. /bias
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 9:54:15 GMT
I mean even if you don't take the filrt and accept a small rival point increase...doesn't he still get jelly later on if you pick fenris over him anyway? I mean is there really a good reason to not just give in and flirt with him? Just curious as I can't remember anymore. The reason is roleplay. I don't care what Anders does, it's about how I want my character to present themselves. Even if you don't hit the , he takes the blue response as encouragement, which I don't want because (1) I don't actually support the Justice merge, and (2) it leads to the come on, which in turn will force me to reject him in the following dialogue. In that scenario, picking the semi-neutral purple option takes a completely different path. It also leads to one of my favorite purple responses: "You're starting to glow again..." XD I don't play a purple Hawke, but I like diffusing that scene with humor. As for your question regarding Fenris, I believe he does. I don't specifically recall with the banter, but he does have one cinematic line in Act 3 where he asks you about it and compares Fenris to a wild beast. But whatever, I don't care about his crushing. I care more then I should probably. Anders is adorable, and it breaks my heart that he seems to be in love with Hawke regardless, but oh well...Fenris is best husband (for me anyway). I still enjoy romancing Anders though. I need to play DA2 again soon I guess. I have so many games I need to play though. ughies....
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 9:59:59 GMT
Since we're talking about flirt options, I have this fever dream of getting two different flirt options from time to time. It does sometimes feel like (up until the point that the romance is locked in and the character can be talked to with normal conversation choices in the romance context) my character is the least like themselves with the person they romance because their usual personality has to be mostly mashed into the uniform option for the romance to progress. For Scott/Sara "my personality choices range from toast to white bread" Ryder (I kid, I kid... a little), that wasn't as much of a problem, but if I could have chosen it, my Paragon and Renegade Shepards probably would have had different flirting styles. I'm not asking for a DA:O style menue of 5 different choices, but maybe one option that is more passive/careful and one that is more proactive, or whatever else might makse sense in the conversation. It would also give the romances some replayability. However, I do recognise that would be a lot of time invested in optional content. Also, if a stereotypical redditor sees not one but two heart options on a male character, their console will probably spontaneously combust. It depends on how the romance is written. While I've only done the Cullen and Dorian romances in DAI, I know that some are more restrictive. For example, I think if you miss flirting with Blackwall during the battlements scene you're screwed for that romance. In contrast, while Dorian has several flirts, you only need just ONE to show your interest; that romance gives you a ton of freedom to roleplay your character. Preferences aside, I think one thing DAI did do well was in providing a nice variety of romance types, and romances that fit the LI's personality and personal history.
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 7, 2017 10:02:57 GMT
Since we're talking about flirt options, I have this fever dream of getting two different flirt options from time to time. It does sometimes feel like my character is the least like themselves with the person they romance because their usual personality has to be mostly mashed into the uniform option for the romance to progress. For Scott/Sara "my personality choices range from toast to white bread" Ryder (I kid, I kid... a little), that wasn't as much of a problem, but if I could have chosen it, my Paragon and Renegade Shepards probably would have had different flirting styles. I'm not asking for a DA:O style menue of 5 different choices, but maybe one option that is more passive/careful and one that is more proactive, or whatever else might makse sense in the conversation. It would also give the romances some replayability. However, I do recognise that would be a lot of time invested in optional content. Also, if a stereotypical redditor sees not one but two heart options on a male character, their console will probably spontaneously combust. There were a few differing flirt options in DA2 I think, at least one with Anders that were along these lines. If I remember right one was more soft and romantic and the other was more shmarmy and typically flirty... I feel like this was a thing that happened and I'm not just imagining again lol. I FEEL like I saw two hearts once and went "Wow, weird." I think a casual flirt/direct flirt option wouldn't be too much to ask for, especially if there are a few middle-of-the-line flirts tossed in so it isn't always another dialogue tree. For me companions are the main draw so more interactions always feels like the obvious investment for the Bioware team to make. /bias I don't remember that, but I feel like if any game has done it, it was probably DA2. With only 4 real romances, they had more time to polish. They also had that system with the Rivalmances. That was sometimes weird in it's own right (I get hatesex, but the five year committed relationship with the person who thinks you should be locked up in a tower (aggressive anti-mage Hawke/Anders) was always a bit odd to me), but it was interesting in that approval rating didn't just lock you out, but changed the character interactions in the romance instead. I remember there being a very interesting Anders-Justice scene you only ever saw if he was rivalmanced, for example. I'm totally biased towards more companion content as well, so I wouldn't mind a teeny further resource shift in that direction, heh.
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Post by Walter Black on May 7, 2017 11:34:37 GMT
Maybe other players dislike that scene less because it was "badly written", but because it gives a tone they might not have intended and wrests control of their character away from them. Certain players don't necessarily care for adorkable, and prefer to be more confident and measured. I'm fine either way, but it should be my choice. *Whoosh* I like how you didn't even bother to remove the part of my post that preemptively explained why what you just wrote is completely nonsensical. Bolded for your convenience And it's obvious you didn't watch the video either. Even if that wasn't the case, though, you don't hold some sort of high ground by saying "But mah character control!" Watch: Certain players don't necessarily care for smooth, and prefer to be more awkward.See? I just turned your argument around on you. There should be no default here, so making the player character suave or awkward are both just as valid in a vacuum. However, not in a vacuum, we've already had more than our share of suave and smooth, so at least awkward gives us variety. It's academic, though, since as has been noted multiple times by multiple people, you do have a choice, as it should be. Ah, I stand corrected. I did not watch the video because I was on a time table. Thank you for enlightening me .
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Post by Rouccoco on May 7, 2017 14:01:55 GMT
There were a ton of articles about how Dorian was the first gay character in the DA games. WTF is Sera? Does she not count because being a lesbian isn't a thing? I think most of those articles meant "male homosexual" when they said "gay." And while gay women don't get a lot of characters either, Dorian was more news worthy than Sera. It wasn't until 2012 that we got a significant gay male character (and romance), and until 2014 that we got a gay male squadmate. Gay women got a romanceable lesbian squadmate in 2003. The fact that we finally got there too, over a decade later, was pretty big news. Also - I hate yaoi. Bottoms are not women, rape is not romantic, domestic violence is not cute.
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Post by Catilina on May 7, 2017 14:05:48 GMT
I admit, perhaps I would like Dorian better if the fangirls do not "adore" him so much... but maybe that's just my idiot thing. It's no problem, that they love him, but he's not their "perfect sad gay boyfriend". (I can't wording better my feeling.)
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 7, 2017 14:43:21 GMT
No joke, this is like... one of the biggest things I wish I could see in the next DA game. Just... let me chose my body and pronouns/voice separately, please? And if there's dialogue options that let me drop the hint that my PC is trans (especially if Mae is going to be in the game, I would love the opportunity to bond with her over shared experiences), that would be amazing too. I really wanted to be able to tell Krem "I feel you, bro." I know it might complicate things with romances tho... Like, how does the game decide to gate the PC against certain romances? If it's a straight LI, can you romance them if you have a 'female' body only? or female pronouns only? Or some other way? (Of course, if they would just go back to four bisexual romances and save the varied representation for the non-romancable characters, this wouldn't even be a problem. >_____>) Customization options are always good, but... can I ask a stupid question or two? Because I'm confused. Why would a trans person want to play as a trans person in a game? Wouldn't that be almost as dysphoric as playing the gender they didn't identify as? Wouldn't it be more... cathartic(?) to play as your true gender? At least as far as the kind of trans people you usually hear about goes. I could see the appeal more if you were non-binary etc. (which to be honest, I know almost nothing about). Please forgive the dumb questions. I'm also tired, so that doesn't help. Well because I would Identify as hmn..some form of NB. Yes, I would like to play-as you say- as the one I would like to be. I am afab and have varying amount of dysphoria regarding my breasts. I dont want them, I never wanted them and I'm far happier when I can bind because thats just more me. Its not so bad now I can bind regularly. I can ignore them. Most time. But the rest of my "equipment" is okay. Thats why I would like a sort of "mix and match" of body types. Like choosing the head of fRyder, the top/torso of mryder and either the bottom too or also fRyders. I can/do appreciate breasts on other people, just not on me, so I can in romance scenes, see myself more as a third observer enjoying both participants than involved via self-insert-chara. But I would also like to have.. well a true real self insert, also because its.. easier than in RL. Its possible to change it so its hard to not feel some sort of longing, ya know? Its with hair. I like long hair on humans, I hate it o myself and cutting it off was one of the most freeing experiences ever, as if someone helped me and cut out the itchy label of a shirt I was forced to wear my whole life and now, after years its the first time without that annoying low key constant itch that didnt ever go away no matter how much I scratched.
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Post by witchcocktor on May 7, 2017 14:55:03 GMT
I admit, perhaps I would like Dorian better if the fangirls do not "adore" him so much... but maybe that's just my idiot thing. It's no problem, that they love him, but he's not their "perfect sad gay boyfriend". (I can't wording better my feeling.) Same. I know what you're saying. But it is what it is.
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Post by Rouccoco on May 7, 2017 15:20:55 GMT
As for Dorian... name one other playable male character in an action rpg who's explicitly gay (and not Dumbledore'd after the game's release). I can only name one other, and that's Kian Alvane from Dreamfall Chapters, but... that's about it. I went like "Kian!" in the middle of that sentence. Though technically Dreamfall is not an ARPG. You could say "name non-indie games with canonically gay protagonists" and get pretty much the same list. And this is probably a good place to say - hey people, Dreamfall Chapters is out on consoles as of Friday, and the enhanced edition on Win/Linux/macOS will be out soon. Buy it!
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Post by Oswin on May 7, 2017 16:03:59 GMT
There were a ton of articles about how Dorian was the first gay character in the DA games. WTF is Sera? Does she not count because being a lesbian isn't a thing? I think most of those articles meant "male homosexual" when they said "gay." And while gay women don't get a lot of characters either, Dorian was more news worthy than Sera. It wasn't until 2012 that we got a significant gay male character (and romance), and until 2014 that we got a gay male squadmate. Gay women got a romanceable lesbian squadmate in 2003. The fact that we finally got there too, over a decade later, was pretty big news. Also - I hate yaoi. Bottoms are not women, rape is not romantic, domestic violence is not cute. Ah, see that's my bad there. I wasn't in this area of gaming in 2003 so I had no idea about that particular squadmate. Man do I long for the day when such a thing isn't deemed news worthy. I admit, perhaps I would like Dorian better if the fangirls do not "adore" him so much... but maybe that's just my idiot thing. It's no problem, that they love him, but he's not their "perfect sad gay boyfriend". (I can't wording better my feeling.) See, I love Dorian and I'm glad to see he's become popular in the hopes we might get more of him. However, I must admit I died a little inside when I read some people's headcannon's for their Quizzy and Dorian relationships. Calling him your 'Gay BFF' who your Quizzy would go to for clothes shopping and relationship gossip? I mean, the guy definitely has a sense of fashion and much to say about the team. But reducing him to 'one of your girlfriends' doesn't really do his character much justice in my eyes. Argh. I feel like an arse for hating on people for enjoying a character. I guess it's not entirely their fault that he can be seen that way. I think it's calling someone your 'gay BFF' in particular that I'm not a huge fan of. But maybe I'm in the wrong here and just getting all, whatever the kids call me these days - snowflakey, about it.
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Post by Catilina on May 7, 2017 16:11:13 GMT
I think most of those articles meant "male homosexual" when they said "gay." And while gay women don't get a lot of characters either, Dorian was more news worthy than Sera. It wasn't until 2012 that we got a significant gay male character (and romance), and until 2014 that we got a gay male squadmate. Gay women got a romanceable lesbian squadmate in 2003. The fact that we finally got there too, over a decade later, was pretty big news. Also - I hate yaoi. Bottoms are not women, rape is not romantic, domestic violence is not cute. Ah, see that's my bad there. I wasn't in this area of gaming in 2003 so I had no idea about that particular squadmate. Man do I long for the day when such a thing isn't deemed news worthy. I admit, perhaps I would like Dorian better if the fangirls do not "adore" him so much... but maybe that's just my idiot thing. It's no problem, that they love him, but he's not their "perfect sad gay boyfriend". (I can't wording better my feeling.) See, I love Dorian and I'm glad to see he's become popular in the hopes we might get more of him. However, I must admit I died a little inside when I read some people's headcannon's for their Quizzy and Dorian relationships. Calling him your 'Gay BFF' who your Quizzy would go to for clothes shopping and relationship gossip? I mean, the guy definitely has a sense of fashion and much to say about the team. But reducing him to 'one of your girlfriends' doesn't really do his character much justice in my eyes. Argh. I feel like an arse for hating on people for enjoying a character. I guess it's not entirely their fault that he can be seen that way. I think it's calling someone your 'gay BFF' in particular that I'm not a huge fan of. But maybe I'm in the wrong here and just getting all, whatever the kids call me these days - snowflakey, about it. Yes, that's no problem, if anyone loves him, the problem is: "my Quizzy, Vivienne and Dorian go to shopping, awwww! So cute! Dorian is a fashion man! Headcanon!" I imagine that, and I vomit.
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Post by Rouccoco on May 7, 2017 16:46:09 GMT
It is the same really... sure there are different levels of controversy for different reasons but everyone gets shit for being other than straight. I lost it at "as a top 500 straight male." "It's not gay, the clits/balls are not touching. They're roommates, who like to make out. Also rim each other. Totally platonic." She's ours now.
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