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Post by Sifr on May 7, 2017 21:59:36 GMT
BansheeOwnage I'd go for number 3, since she'd probably appreciate the joke/reference. If it were me, I might go for something along the lines of; "From fans everywhere, thank you for being our favourite Cheeky Scot in both the Milky Way and Andromeda"
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 7, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
I guess, but that's not even unusual for gay or bi men. Unless they come out as teenagers, they very likely pretended to express interest in women (or, if bi, it was genuine) and then one day also expressed interest in men. Real life on your video game screen. Weird. The first person I explicitly expressed interest in was a guy. He was luscious and dark and full. Later on I saw a girl I liked and thought damn she'll do for me. But I was a pretty strange kid. Hahaha. lol.. took 2 years for me from.. oh I like girls to. oooh...boys too
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2017 22:09:12 GMT
Weird. The first person I explicitly expressed interest in was a guy. He was luscious and dark and full. Later on I saw a girl I liked and thought damn she'll do for me. But I was a pretty strange kid. Hahaha. lol.. took 2 years for me from.. oh I like girls to..boys too I was captain of the swim team so I knew what this guy "had" under his clothes. He was the hottest thing I've ever seen to this day. So it was easy for me to be attracted to him. The girl was the sister of some guy I knew. She was like how you feel when you see Naomi Campbell for the first time in your life. Dayyum!
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Post by Kian on May 7, 2017 22:24:18 GMT
I actually think Dorian's dad being assassinated is more interesting if they didn't make up. Mostly because of the inner conflict: He still loves his father, underneath it all, so he feels obligated both out of love and duty to avenge him. But at the same time, they never made up before his father's death and he never got to hear the words he so desperately wanted to hear from him, so there's guilt and spite and bitterness there too. I hope they show a bit of a difference in Dorian regarding his father depending on whether he made up with him or not. It's a missed opportunity otherwise, imo. Hopefully, there'll be that and Tevinter politics in his DA4 storyline. I think they should be careful how they hand that, because it will piss me off if they make it clear that forgiving his father was the "right" choice. I hate that media always puts the onus on LGBT characters to be the bigger person and forgive their shitty, abusive family members. IMO, Dorian's dad didn't deserve forgiveness. What he did was too extreme and he was still trying to manipulate and lie to get Dorian to do what he wanted, even in DA:I. Who knows if he was even genuine? If anything, I'd rather find out he wasn't. I'll be annoyed if we find out Dorian's dad was really a great guy and his assassination was because he was just too good a person for Tevinter's crooked society, while trying to blood magic conversion therapy his son. It's just gross, to me. I'd rather find out he was into some fucked up shit and it was his own fault he got assassinated. I'd rather see Dorian realize his family was crap and he's better off without them. Very true and sadly all too common. After MEA I've lost any semblance of hope and/or trust in Bioware's intelectual prowess so my guess is they'll go with the worst possible option(s) for Dorian. Either butchering his character or, more likely (since DG is gone) completely pushing him out of the picture, turning him into a cameo at best. At this point I'm more curious about how bad things will get and less curious about... well anything else Bioware-y. As a side note, the dumb memes like "you had your whole life to get used to being gay, your parents only had a week", or "give them time, it's a major shock" and on and on, irk me to no end. When I'm too tired or I think the person I'm talking to can't grasp any concept, I just recommend them to look up and read Amelia on Huffington Post. Just a random mother telling the story of (mostly) her oldest son who is gay. That's a real parent. All this bullshit about parents "needing time to deal with it" is just idiotic. And thus, it's obviously encouraged and enabled by most.
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Post by Mihura on May 7, 2017 22:45:23 GMT
*A less tired Banshee approaches* So, remember how I was planning on tweeting something to Katy Townsend? Help me choose a draft. 1. Thank you for bringing Suvi, my favourite Mass Effect character, to life! I find her very relatable, and she and Sara are adorable together (smiley here) 2. Suvi has become my favourite Mass Effect character, and your performance was a huge part of that! Thank you and well done (smiley here) 3. You have a marvelous voice. Also, the accent. The accent is... I mean, it’s not the only thing, but... uh. Hearing you say my name is just... *Swoon*WHYCAN’TIHAVEACOOLACCENTLIKEYOU?GAHOkay, ignoring the joke, which one should I go with or change? Spoken quickly: I may be fangirling a little but I'm trying not to sound like a creepy fangirl, you know? And, like, I'm trying to decide if I should keep my Rowan avatar on twitter or change it to the one I have here. But does having Suvi in the picture make it cool, or creepy? She probably won't even notice either way. And which shoes should I wear? Does this lipstick match my jacket?God, I am so incredibly awkward. I overthink everything And she's TheCheekyScot, right? Also, does writing the account name of the person you're tweeting take up character slots? 140 isn't a lot to work with.
Ketchup Catch-up time. I say go for the third option, it actually made me laugh.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 7, 2017 22:45:49 GMT
lol.. took 2 years for me from.. oh I like girls to..boys too I was captain of the swim team so I knew what this guy "had" under his clothes. He was the hottest thing I've ever seen to this day. So it was easy for me to be attracted to him. The girl was the sister of some guy I knew. She was like how you feel when you see Naomi Campbell for the first time in your life. Dayyum! lol with 14 i had my first crush on a girl.. she was.. just great, an artist, pretty intelligent and.. So for 2 years I didnt really cared for anyone else, though for myself okay, maybe im only into women.. But after two years I stumbled over one guy that I fancied. So that basically answered the question for me and my family (yep, I took them home..my poor parents, so thin walls :3 )
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Post by ash on May 7, 2017 22:48:23 GMT
Just to remind you all - DAKepp is pretty clear about devs interpretation of decisions. with "red" outline being bad and "blue" being good most of the times. So, uh, while I don't agree with it, devs made it pretty clear that they think Dorian forgiving his father is a "good" decision.
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 7, 2017 22:59:30 GMT
Just to remind you all - DAKepp is pretty clear about devs interpretation of decisions. with "red" outline being bad and "blue" being good most of the times. So, uh, while I don't agree with it, devs made it pretty clear that they think Dorian forgiving his father is a "good" decision. Wait what? I dont really go to DA Keep at all, so I wouldnt know about it. But that leaves me in a "wtf" kind-of state
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 23:04:22 GMT
Just to remind you all - DAKepp is pretty clear about devs interpretation of decisions. with "red" outline being bad and "blue" being good most of the times. So, uh, while I don't agree with it, devs made it pretty clear that they think Dorian forgiving his father is a "good" decision. Again, Dorian NEVER says he "forgives" his father. The term used in the Keep tile is that there is "reconciliation," which is not the same thing.
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Post by ash on May 7, 2017 23:07:30 GMT
Just to remind you all - DAKepp is pretty clear about devs interpretation of decisions. with "red" outline being bad and "blue" being good most of the times. So, uh, while I don't agree with it, devs made it pretty clear that they think Dorian forgiving his father is a "good" decision. Wait what? I dont really go to DA Keep at all, so I wouldnt know about it. But that leaves me in a "wtf" kind-of state
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 7, 2017 23:09:52 GMT
Wait what? I dont really go to DA Keep at all, so I wouldnt know about it. But that leaves me in a "wtf" kind-of state Still wondering why the hell is it bad that Dorian doesnt reconcile with his father after all the shit he had to go through with him but okay. These devs sometimes
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Post by Catilina on May 7, 2017 23:11:22 GMT
Just to remind you all - DAKepp is pretty clear about devs interpretation of decisions. with "red" outline being bad and "blue" being good most of the times. So, uh, while I don't agree with it, devs made it pretty clear that they think Dorian forgiving his father is a "good" decision. Red? Where? Ah, I see. But I think, the red not the "bad", and the blue not the "right". Max peaceful or less peaceful. So, for example: killing Architect is red, spare Architect is blue... according this: killing a darkspawn is bad?
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 7, 2017 23:16:18 GMT
they are both not perfect.. I mean.. what he did is unforgivable, risking killing his son for such bullshit- on the other hand he seemed to see that it was wrong. So i can see both sides- the first time I left asap, the second I staid..
Srsly, my parents weren't perfect but i'm so unbelievable happy that I never got any shit from them because of my orientation..They didnt care for it, they wanted me happy..and maybe sometimes less loud but hey, .. you cant make omelette without breaking an egg. So there isnt so much hurt so maybe thats why its easier for me as person to direct Dorian to let his dad speak and admit that he fucked up massively..
But i dont think really its about getting Dorian to forgive his dad..wouldnt fit to the backstory of David writing him and "exercising his demons":. and imo it never felt like they talked and then magically everything was fine..
but.. they talked and his dad admitted that what he did was wrong, no matter the reason and that his son was fully right to leave him for what he did..
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Post by ash on May 7, 2017 23:19:26 GMT
Just to remind you all - DAKepp is pretty clear about devs interpretation of decisions. with "red" outline being bad and "blue" being good most of the times. So, uh, while I don't agree with it, devs made it pretty clear that they think Dorian forgiving his father is a "good" decision. Red? Where? Ah, I see. But I think, the red not the "bad", and the blue not the "right". Max peaceful or less peaceful. So, for example: killing Architect is red, spare Architect is blue... according this: killing a darkspawn is bad? It's not red and blue in Architect situation. It's a skeleton/no skeleton, simple indication of kill. More of a different situation. Probably something that more like... ties with thing about "canon in comics/books/etc". 5$ say if we'll get any book with Dorian in it, it's going to follow the "blue" choice.
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Post by Catilina on May 7, 2017 23:22:46 GMT
Red? Where? Ah, I see. But I think, the red not the "bad", and the blue not the "right". Max peaceful or less peaceful. So, for example: killing Architect is red, spare Architect is blue... according this: killing a darkspawn is bad? It's not red and blue in Architect situation. It's a skeleton/no skeleton, simple indication of kill. More of a different situation. Probably something that more like... ties with thing about "canon in comics/books/etc". 5$ say if we'll get any book with Dorian in it, it's going to follow the "blue" choice. And: killing Sophia Dryden: red spare Sophia Dryden: blue. Please. This is a color code, but not that simple: "wrong"–"right"... Red: anger. Blue: peace.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 7, 2017 23:30:54 GMT
Red? Where? Ah, I see. But I think, the red not the "bad", and the blue not the "right". Max peaceful or less peaceful. So, for example: killing Architect is red, spare Architect is blue... according this: killing a darkspawn is bad? It's not red and blue in Architect situation. It's a skeleton/no skeleton, simple indication of kill. More of a different situation. Probably something that more like... ties with thing about "canon in comics/books/etc". 5$ say if we'll get any book with Dorian in it, it's going to follow the "blue" choice. I don't see that being mentioned, really. Not all choices are significant enough to warrant a mention, either in ancillary media, or in successive games. There are many, many, many choices in the Keep that are just present to show our world state and will never be mentioned again. In Dorian's case, he winds up as a magister regardless. He is a magister whether you even did the quest. That is the important thing in his future and what will characterize our interaction with him (if he's around at all). Now, let's say that there is a hypothetical quest in DA4 to finally deal with the people who assassinated his father. It need not even be mentioned during that. In that case, it would be seen as an attack on his family, and he would want to exact punishment for that alone, regardless of their relationship. That's how it works in Tevinter (and Orlais). Not doing so would make him look weak. There always could be investigative dialogue that takes the choice into consideration and is altered based on the import, but we can't know what he would say about it. As I said earlier, in Trespasser, he does NOT characterize the relationship as repaired or state his forgiveness. I have no reason to believe that same attitude won't be carried over.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 8, 2017 0:11:05 GMT
Personally I would like Dorian to be at least somewhat conflicted about his father. That seems be to Dorian's natural reaction regardless of the Inquisitor's thoughts on the matter. I suppose that would annoy or bother those who want this dad to redeemed or a straight villain that Dorian should hate without regret, but I am of the opinion that a companion shouldn't be easily swayed by the player characters opinions especially when it comes to deeply personal things. I mean, I hated Kalinda in Andromeda but I do wish that Peebee wasn't easily convinced that my Ryder her killing was fine.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 8, 2017 0:20:40 GMT
BansheeOwnage : I like both but I go with option #2. Or say it all! Thanks, I'd love to say it all, but you know - Twitter - so 140 characters max S'pose I could send 2 tweets back-to-back. BansheeOwnage I'd go for number 3, since she'd probably appreciate the joke/reference. 3. You have a marvelous voice. Also, the accent. The accent is... I mean, it’s not the only thing, but... uh. Hearing you say my name is just... *Swoon*I say go for the third option, it actually made me laugh. Oh my god you guys! You really want me to embarrass myself, don't you? Glad you liked the joke, though. It would be great if she got it, but if she doesn't understand the reference, I'll just come across as the creepiest person alive *Anxiety overloads again* Gah, decisions, decisions... I'd have to shorten it a bit, it's more than 140 characters.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 8, 2017 0:25:18 GMT
Ugh I hate the Dorian conversation choice because I wanted a "I'm leaving you two deal with this and I'll see you back at Skyhold." choice. Being forced to stay there was just so awkward and the the biggest do not want choice in the game. Everyone else I could see why Quizzy was helping them make the decision (and I will always love that Cassandra actually has a "You have to make this decision." choice) but Dorian and his dad? Why am I even being put on the spot?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 8, 2017 0:40:18 GMT
Ugh I hate the Dorian conversation choice because I wanted a "I'm leaving you two deal with this and I'll see you back at Skyhold." choice. Being forced to stay there was just so awkward and the the biggest do not want choice in the game. Everyone else I could see why Quizzy was helping them make the decision (and I will always love that Cassandra actually has a "You have to make this decision." choice) but Dorian and his dad? Why am I even being put on the spot? This is why pushing them to make up always felt off to me. Even as a friend or lover, it'd be crossing a line to do that considering the context. And if the Inquisitor by that point is just Dorian's boss, then it's even more inappropriate.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 8, 2017 1:12:24 GMT
This is why pushing them to make up always felt off to me. Even as a friend or lover, it'd be crossing a line to do that considering the context. And if the Inquisitor by that point is just Dorian's boss, then it's even more inappropriate. Yep everyone else's personal issues either have some influence on their job (in the case of Cullen his ability to do said job, Cole's a potential threat until you resolve his issue), the Inquisition itself (Blackwall, Sera, Bull) or the greater narrative (like Cassandra's seekers, Varric's girlfriend releasing red lyrium). Dorian's meanwhile is purely personal so it feels awkward as hell to intervene.
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Post by Foelhe on May 8, 2017 2:09:25 GMT
Ugh I hate the Dorian conversation choice because I wanted a "I'm leaving you two deal with this and I'll see you back at Skyhold." choice. Being forced to stay there was just so awkward and the the biggest do not want choice in the game. Everyone else I could see why Quizzy was helping them make the decision (and I will always love that Cassandra actually has a "You have to make this decision." choice) but Dorian and his dad? Why am I even being put on the spot? It helps that Dorian himself says he's not interested in making nice with his abuser and asks to leave. All you have to do is respect his feelings and head for the door. ...Still pretty awkward to be standing there the whole time, though, you're not wrong.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 2:23:24 GMT
Ugh I hate the Dorian conversation choice because I wanted a "I'm leaving you two deal with this and I'll see you back at Skyhold." choice. Being forced to stay there was just so awkward and the the biggest do not want choice in the game. Everyone else I could see why Quizzy was helping them make the decision (and I will always love that Cassandra actually has a "You have to make this decision." choice) but Dorian and his dad? Why am I even being put on the spot? It helps that Dorian himself says he's not interested in making nice with his abuser and asks to leave. All you have to do is respect his feelings and head for the door. ...Still pretty awkward to be standing there the whole time, though, you're not wrong. It depends on the options taken in the scene, really. Instead of picking the "Give him a chance" option, I pick "That's what this is about? Who you sleep with?" This is a roleplay choice for me because my Inquisitor is gay, his family knows and doesn't give a shit. So to him it would be pretty surprising that it's an issue at all. Dorian doesn't say anything about leaving with that choice. Instead he says, "That's not all it's about," and then goes on to explain. When discussing these things it's important to remember that certain dialogue paths have scenes play out in certain ways, and those different ways change players' perceptions of them. Hell, I skip an entire dialogue path in that scene because I think it's silly to ask Dorian to clarify what he meant, given that my guy is gay and they've been flirting since they met.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 8, 2017 2:37:39 GMT
It helps that Dorian himself says he's not interested in making nice with his abuser and asks to leave. All you have to do is respect his feelings and head for the door. ...Still pretty awkward to be standing there the whole time, though, you're not wrong. Yeah except the options are more like "let's go Dorian." instead of letting him choose for himself. I just wanted a more hands off approach option.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 8, 2017 2:51:14 GMT
Sort of a change of subject, I think there was a missed opportunity for a gay or lesbian character to express support. If a male PC takes a certain path, you have a option to essentially "come out" in the scene. This plays out as a flirt, but is different depending on whether you've been flirting with him all along, or whether this is the first time. So not only is it tied to a flirt, it's not really expressing support other than to say, "Me too!" There is nothing for the female PC who might be a lesbian, which is unfortunate. (However, I will say that I really like Dorian jumping to the Inquisitor's defense after his father makes some asshole remark. I don't take this path, but it is nice to just see him react that way. It plays into the "I don't care what people think about me, but will defend you to my last breath" sort of thing he alludes to later on in the romance.)
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