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Post by toomanyclouds on May 10, 2017 21:26:59 GMT
Dying. I hope that I'm pleasantly surprised by "Dylan" and Biowares development timeline more generally. IDK what Destiny's MP culture is like, but most MP games I play lean towards toxicity. It would be a shame if BW's fandom became more toxic. And... yeah, I play games to have fun and relax; not "babysit". Also hoping that Dylan's development and the support of that IP doesn't eclipse Bioware's other franchises. That's arguably happened with Bethesda and Elder Scrolls and it sucks. It would depend on how sensitive you are to toxic players. I wouldn't consider Overwatch to be all that bad on PC unless you're playing competitive, but then I would wonder what somebody expected when they decided to play the game mode where you're supposed to play to win. In Quick Match I find it to be just fine, though others will claim even that is overly toxic for them. Of course I also have a lifetime of playing competitive FPS games like Counter-Strike, so I'm just used to the occasional shit talker. Though if you keep it co-op that tends to keep it the least toxic, especially if the group doesn't need a specific setup to succeed. Part of the reason why some MMOs can get bad is because it was annoying in WoW to explain to the 20th Paladin this week that speccing his character half damage dealer and half tank makes him terrible at both roles. That's a game that requires a pretty strict group dynamic of tanks, healers, and DPS though. If you don't fit into one of those three roles, you aren't really of any use to the group. When you make it like Mass Effect MP where any combination of characters can succeed, then all you need to worry about is that the average pug is just bad at the game =P Given that BioWare has multiple studios I don't see it eclipsing anything. Bethesda as a publisher still publishes a decent number of other games that do well, but Bethesda Game Studios only ever develops on Elder Scrolls and Fallout. I mean, I expect people to try to win in Comp, not to try and find the most creative way to say the n-word to their healer because mommy won't allow it at home. Obviously I don't actually expect that because I've been on the internet since I was 11 and know how it goes, but, you know, ideally. But the problem is probably not whether the community could handle the toxicity. They usually do. I always say that Blizzard, Riot or whatever company can try to put anti-toxicity measures in place, but in the end, they can't really patch human nature. Online games will always be toxic. For me the question is rather if Bioware really is the kind of company that could deal with their playerbase like these more experienced MP companies can. Then again, OW or CS or LoL might not be the kind of online experience they're going for in the first place. They do claim to be innovating with Dylan and while every game dev will say that, they might be right, it's not like haven't made good and interesting games before, after all. Perhaps a Mass Effect MP level of dev communication will be enough?
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Post by Dirk on May 10, 2017 21:27:54 GMT
I still could not understand how they fix Cora/Peebee and Vetra/Peebee glitch and yet Gil/Reyes similar glitch is still there.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 10, 2017 21:28:43 GMT
I still could not understand how they fix Cora/Peebee and Vetra/Peebee glitch and yet Gil/Reyes similar glitch is still there. Because they don't care enough. Asari babes win every time.
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2017 21:29:29 GMT
I still could not understand how they fix Cora/Peebee and Vetra/Peebee glitch and yet Gil/Reyes similar glitch is still there. Will it be overdoing it if I said they were 'happy with the specifics'. It's become a meme at this point. I'm sorry (not sorry)
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Post by ash on May 10, 2017 21:29:54 GMT
Well if the NDA is blocking the truth coming out, blaming the Devs for not revealing the truth is blaming the wrong people. It's the higher ups that are the problem. Higher-ups don't have Twitters, and the devs said they want feedback. Gods forbid we actually give them negative feedback right? Because criticism hurts them so much and we should be grateful for their amazing game, I already said it. You are devphobic, I'm not even sure why I still talk with you!111!1! :sob:
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Post by Porter on May 10, 2017 21:31:16 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say.
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Post by Dirk on May 10, 2017 21:31:34 GMT
Higher-ups don't have Twitters, and the devs said they want feedback. Gods forbid we actually give them negative feedback right? Because criticism hurts them so much and we should be grateful for their amazing game, I already said it. You are devphobic, I'm not even sure why I still talk with you!111!1! :sob: We are too harsh on the devs. They might be criticismphobic and we should not judge them for it
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2017 21:34:10 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. Sorry but do you just say this every time or. (I've checked your posts. Rip me)
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 10, 2017 21:34:35 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. Listen, I just love being told I don't matter as much as you just as much as the next gay, but can we stop using that dumb ass statistic every time gays get a little upset? They said in the blog post a month ago that m/m improvements were coming, yet all they did so far as fix Cora/Peebee, Peebee/Vetra, and not even touch Reyes/Gil romance glitches. Oh, and Vetra now has a casual outfit for her romance scene. So, let's see... was any of that in the patch blog post? No. I think we are more than entitled to be a little pissed off about the situation because our gay $$$ doesn't weigh as much as gamer bros and homophobic ladies in the Jaal thread. ^.^
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2017 21:35:14 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. Listen, I just love being told I don't matter as much as you just as much as the next gay, but can we stop using that dumb ass statistic every time gays get a little upset? They said in the blog post a month ago that m/m improvements were coming, yet all they did so far as fix Cora/Peebee, Peebee/Vetra, and not even touch Reyes/Gil romance glitches. Oh, and Vetra now has a casual outfit for her romance scene. So, let's see... was any of that in the patch blog post? No. I think we are more than entitled to be a little pissed off about the situation because our gay $$$ doesn't weigh as much as gamer bros and homophobic ladies in the Jaal thread. ^.^ CLAP CLAP CLAP
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Post by ash on May 10, 2017 21:36:02 GMT
Because criticism hurts them so much and we should be grateful for their amazing game, I already said it. You are devphobic, I'm not even sure why I still talk with you!111!1! :sob: We are too harsh on the devs. They might be criticismphobic and we should not judge them for it Thank you for your understanding to all game developers who are criticismphobic, I needed that. Every time people mention that something is bugged I just can't, and I cry for an hour trying to live through that shit toxic community throws at our team where they should just try and appreciate our game as it is, even if this bug prevents them from progressing. :sob:
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Post by uirebhiril on May 10, 2017 21:36:14 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. For real? Is this, like, gaysplaining?
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Post by Mihura on May 10, 2017 21:37:19 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. Here is the thing, gay men are not the only ones pissed. There is the anti-sjw, the sjw, the moderates, the semi moderates... and so on. It is not about being "insert here" population percentage. It is almost everyone in the fandom that is pissed at bioware front all fronts, if ME gets nuked as an IP I would not surprised at all. I am sorry to say this but bioware deserves it.
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Post by wright1978 on May 10, 2017 21:38:09 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. Listen, I just love being told I don't matter as much as you just as much as the next gay, but can we stop using that dumb ass statistic every time gays get a little upset? They said in the blog post a month ago that m/m improvements were coming, yet all they did so far as fix Cora/Peebee, Peebee/Vetra, and not even touch Reyes/Gil romance glitches. Oh, and Vetra now has a casual outfit for her romance scene. So, let's see... was any of that in the patch blog post? No. I think we are more than entitled to be a little pissed off about the situation because our gay $$$ doesn't weigh as much as gamer bros and homophobic ladies in the Jaal thread. ^.^ Or maybe they have set that aside as part of what they are planning to do regarding m/m rather than doing piecemeal
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2017 21:38:52 GMT
Right also OH BLACK PEOPLE/PEOPLE OF COLOUR ARE A MINORITY SO THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT THEY CAN JUST GET ENSLAVED AND SHOT DOWN IN THE STREETS WITH NO CONSEQUENCE.
Really? You really wanna use stats to talk about social issues?
Oh homeless people don't contribute to society while working people contribute 100% to a country's GDP so fuck homeless people.
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Post by Suaimhneas on May 10, 2017 21:38:54 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. Anyway what you said was dumb.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 10, 2017 21:39:31 GMT
Listen, I just love being told I don't matter as much as you just as much as the next gay, but can we stop using that dumb ass statistic every time gays get a little upset? They said in the blog post a month ago that m/m improvements were coming, yet all they did so far as fix Cora/Peebee, Peebee/Vetra, and not even touch Reyes/Gil romance glitches. Oh, and Vetra now has a casual outfit for her romance scene. So, let's see... was any of that in the patch blog post? No. I think we are more than entitled to be a little pissed off about the situation because our gay $$$ doesn't weigh as much as gamer bros and homophobic ladies in the Jaal thread. ^.^ Or maybe they have set that aside as part of what they are planning to do regarding m/m rather than doing piecemeal They tweeted yesterday about finishing this latest patch then moving onto the next, which implies that they haven't even started work on m/m. Point is, they're improving big glitches for all the other romances but m/m.
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Post by Steelcan on May 10, 2017 21:40:24 GMT
Right also OH BLACK PEOPLE/PEOPLE OF COLOUR ARE A MINORITY SO THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT THEY CAN JUST GET ENSLAVED AND SHOT DOWN IN THE STREETS WITH NO CONSEQUENCE. Really? You really wanna use stats to talk about social issues? Oh homeless people don't contribute to society while working people contribute 100% to a country's GDP so fuck homeless people. yes, these two situations are perfectly comparable
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Post by Steelcan on May 10, 2017 21:40:58 GMT
But seriously they haven't touched the m/m romances but they have others? That's kinda fucked up
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 10, 2017 21:41:13 GMT
Right also OH BLACK PEOPLE/PEOPLE OF COLOUR ARE A MINORITY SO THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT THEY CAN JUST GET ENSLAVED AND SHOT DOWN IN THE STREETS WITH NO CONSEQUENCE. Really? You really wanna use stats to talk about social issues? Oh homeless people don't contribute to society while working people contribute 100% to a country's GDP so fuck homeless people. yes, these two situations are perfectly comparable They are when they use that stupid statistic every damn time a gay person opens their mouth.
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Post by Salty Drell on May 10, 2017 21:42:27 GMT
But seriously they haven't touched the m/m romances but they have others? That's kinda fucked up It really is.
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Post by The Doctor on May 10, 2017 21:46:32 GMT
Right also OH BLACK PEOPLE/PEOPLE OF COLOUR ARE A MINORITY SO THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT THEY CAN JUST GET ENSLAVED AND SHOT DOWN IN THE STREETS WITH NO CONSEQUENCE. Really? You really wanna use stats to talk about social issues? Oh homeless people don't contribute to society while working people contribute 100% to a country's GDP so fuck homeless people. yes, these two situations are perfectly comparable You do know gay and LGBT people also get prosecuted and discriminated???? Like bro. Just because we are "2%" or whatever fuck percentage does that mean we are not important like the op said??? I'm not even talking about this shitfest of a game anymore at this point. I'm talking about stats vs social issues. Oh LGBT people get killed oh they are not important bc they are only x% of the population.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 21:46:37 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. So with that logic why hetero Scott have the most romances? Are straight men 80% of the world population?! Buahaha Besides, many people are (still) in the closet, but look how much celebrities/actors/singers is coming out as gay/bi, 2% my a$$ Also there are still countries that punishes gay people, so they rather would live than coming out...
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Post by sandalisthemaker on May 10, 2017 21:48:20 GMT
Gay men constitute approximately 2% of the world's population. Gay people's needs are not a top priority. There is nothing wrong with it. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Just have a little patience guys. That's all I'm gonna say. Ah, yes. Truly, we are enlightened by this wonderful post. It is this kind of thinking that has created the horrendous M/M situation in this game to begin with. This dev team brought this criticism upon themselves, and gay fans are upset. I don't see the point of rubbing it in people's faces unless you just wanted to be nasty/obnoxious.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 10, 2017 21:49:20 GMT
Hey, at least it's nice when certain posters reveal themselves so we can block them. Forums are magic!
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