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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:12:13 GMT
Are you even a Jaal fan or romanced him? Just curious. Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". Do I know you?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 10, 2017 23:12:14 GMT
No their really isn't. You discarding dialogue that doesn't fit your interpretation to claim he's gay is as dumb as the people who insist he's straight. And it's not a compromise to consider him bi/playersexual that's his orientation. That said Kaidan doesn't love any Shepard since my renedouche never got any confession :3 It bums me out when I see people try to headcanon or rationalize a bi character as either straight or gay. Kaidan is a super bi and he should be loved for it. Kaidan's a super obvious bi guy with a tie around his neck and an unzipped fly.
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Post by lightdrago3 on May 10, 2017 23:12:44 GMT
Citadel party, upper level, Tali, Traynor, EDI discuss the voice attraction and Tali is like awwwkwaaard. I remember the conversation andI just rewatched it. Still no mention of it? Traynor just talks about really liking EDI's voice.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 10, 2017 23:13:20 GMT
Great now you reminded me of that dude who filled some women's butt with cement. Thanks for that. I love how, amidst the tepid matchflames of recent content posted today, you pull this out. I'm not sure why, or from where, but it is what it is. Obvious Troll trolls thread, but hey, about that woman with cement in her butt... You didn't see those pictures tho. It was the perfect storm of "wtf is that" "MY EYES" "It looks like a block." and "Why would you even want it that big tho?"
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 10, 2017 23:13:32 GMT
Are you even a Jaal fan or romanced him? Just curious. Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". If there was a homophobic bingo card, "forced diversity" would probably be on the upper right hand corner. Or maybe the center space on the last column to the right. What do you think? Upper right hand corner or last column to the right?
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 10, 2017 23:14:22 GMT
Are you even a Jaal fan or romanced him? Just curious. Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". Ah, yet another homophobic Jaal-mancer comes out of their thread then.
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Post by kestrel on May 10, 2017 23:14:59 GMT
Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". If there was a homophobic bingo card, "forced diversity" would probably be on the upper right hand corner. Or maybe the center space on the last column to the right. What do you think? Upper right hand corner or last column to the right? Forced diversity, aka 'I don't interact with any LGBT, POC, or disabled people in real life and I shouldn't have to in video games either.'
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Post by Suaimhneas on May 10, 2017 23:15:31 GMT
Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". Ah, yet another homophobic Jaal-mancer comes out of their thread then. Accept this time they didn't have the confidence to do it on their main account
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on May 10, 2017 23:15:57 GMT
It bums me out when I see people try to headcanon or rationalize a bi character as either straight or gay. Kaidan is a super bi and he should be loved for it. Kaidan's a super obvious bi guy with a tie around his neck and an unzipped fly. Would pay additional money for that DLC casual outfit
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Post by Aurora on May 10, 2017 23:16:07 GMT
We're pretty sure we know who she is now. I have 2 candidates in mind. I've seen those exact wordings in some other thread before... yeah I can think of a few people they might be.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:17:12 GMT
This argument doesn't work in a game with interchangeable canon options which can vary depending on selected dialogue options, order of missions etc. Not taking a specific dialogue option is not disregarding it. It's how the game is meant to be played. What you experience is your canon, anyone can dig deeper to fill in the blanks any way they want. Makes no difference to me, there's a subtle reference to multiverse theory in the game anyway so everyone gets their own canons in an infinite number of quantum realities. It'd discarding information in game about a character to suit whatever backstory you want them to have. It's like pretending Jack doesn't have survivor's guilt because you didn't play her romance. In game yeah not working off that information makes sense because the PC and the player are not the same being and have access to the same information. And while the PC is interchangeable the NPCs are not. They always have the same baseline personality and traits even if certain decisions are changed through the PC's intervention. But my main issue with the "he's gay" thing is it can just as easily be used to say "he's straight" and half this thread has been complaining about just that. I fail to see how it's discarding information when it's not information presented in game and the result of a circumstantial selection of dialogue, Dialogue which is not essential to continue the game or anything related to that character's core story. Besides this was a response to someone convinced Kaidan expressed attraction to women, my point was to prove he doesnt always.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 10, 2017 23:18:01 GMT
Are you even a Jaal fan or romanced him? Just curious. Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". What is forced diversity to you? You put it in quotes so you must feel strongly about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:19:03 GMT
Are you even a Jaal fan or romanced him? Just curious. Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". Doesn't no homo = not guaranteed to be straight. Fact of life. You can assume he's straight yes. But that isnt confirmation.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:19:44 GMT
Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". What is forced diversity to you? You put it in quotes so you must feel strongly about it. She's biphobic and homophobic but tries to word it politely. Bless.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 10, 2017 23:21:28 GMT
Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". What is forced diversity to you? You put it in quotes so you must feel strongly about it. It "has to make sense for the character".
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Post by Ryzaki on May 10, 2017 23:21:45 GMT
I fail to see how it's discarding information when it's not information presented in game and the result of a circumstantial selection of dialogue, Dialogue which is not essential to continue the game or anything related to that character's core story. Besides this was a response to someone convinced Kaidan expressed attraction to women, my point was to prove he doesnt always. That's...exactly what discarding information is. It's like someone saying Tevinter doesn't have mage slaves in DA2 because they missed Fenris' banter about it and when brought up insist it doesn't count because that information wasn't heard in their playthrough. Also how is it not information presented in game when...you get it through talking to him in game. And again the comparison to Jack's survivor guilt. Her romance is not necessary, speaking to her is not necessary that doesn't mean it's not part of her character. But he does express attraction to women is my point. Saying it doesn't happen in your game therefore it's not part of the character kind of misses me. It causes my confusion as much as those saying he's straight despite the fact that he can play tonsil hockey with dude Shep in ME3.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:23:29 GMT
I have 2 candidates in mind. I've seen those exact wordings in some other thread before... yeah I can think of a few people they might be. Back when we had a huge spoiler PM chat for Jaal stuff, I added anyone who asked. I swore she was one of them, but maybe it's just the same Kaidan icon fooling me.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 10, 2017 23:24:09 GMT
What is forced diversity to you? You put it in quotes so you must feel strongly about it. It "has to make sense for the character". I hate this damn thing on so many levels. Not just because of sexuality but because there's so much gendered and racial bullshit that goes into that too. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:25:01 GMT
I fail to see how it's discarding information when it's not information presented in game and the result of a circumstantial selection of dialogue, Dialogue which is not essential to continue the game or anything related to that character's core story. Besides this was a response to someone convinced Kaidan expressed attraction to women, my point was to prove he doesnt always. That's...exactly what discarding information is. It's like someone saying Tevinter doesn't have mage slaves in DA2 because they missed Fenris' banter about it and when brought up insist it doesn't count because that information wasn't heard in their playthrough. Also how is it not information presented in game when...you get it through talking to him in game. And again the comparison to Jack's survivor guilt. Her romance is not necessary, speaking to her is not necessary that doesn't mean it's not part of her character. But he does express attraction to women is my point. Saying it doesn't happen in your game therefore it's not part of the character kind of misses me. But the point was assumption of sexuality. I said Kaidan could be gay for all I know because I am not told about his attraction to women how would I know he's bi? This was in direct response to someone saying Kaidan always expresses attraction to women which he doesn't because you can play the game and not hear it therefore said dialogue is not expressed not that doesnt exist just that it isnt expressed. This topic was not directed at you, if you're not understanding I suggest dropping it.
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Post by flog61 on May 10, 2017 23:25:09 GMT
Are you even a Jaal fan or romanced him? Just curious. Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". Evidence suggest Jaal was originally written as bi. We know talks had to be held constantly about how straight guys would respond to queer things, and part of these discussions concluded that it'd be best not to have a queer guy on the squad, so they made him straight. We're not asking a character to be made bi because of 'forced diversity'. We're asking for a character, written as bi but changed to be straight to make dudebros happy, to be restored.
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Post by Aurora on May 10, 2017 23:25:49 GMT
yeah I can think of a few people they might be. Back when we had a huge spoiler PM chat for Jaal stuff, I added anyone who asked. I swore she was one of them, but maybe it's just the same Kaidan icon fooling me. That icon seems to be pretty common. I honestly think it is an alt account.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 10, 2017 23:26:59 GMT
It "has to make sense for the character". I hate this damn thing on so many levels. Not just because of sexuality but because there's so much gendered and racial bullshit that goes into that too. Ugh. Agreed.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 10, 2017 23:27:18 GMT
I mean, they have a whopping two posts in their history that aren't complaining about queer men, so that doesn't look particularly legitimate. They probably just forgot to log into their real account for them. She must be super lame if she dedicates a special forum account just to whining about LGBT men. indeed. very, very lame. and tiresome.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 23:27:38 GMT
Back when we had a huge spoiler PM chat for Jaal stuff, I added anyone who asked. I swore she was one of them, but maybe it's just the same Kaidan icon fooling me. That icon seems to be pretty common. I honestly think it is an alt account. Yeah I just get vibes sometimes. Back when I was a mod, I could recognize anyone using a different account because of speech pattern. Won't wrack my brain over it, just bugs me when I think I know someone, but can't place them lol
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