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Post by disgustednoise on May 11, 2017 1:02:59 GMT
I mean, I only found out about Bioware because they put those gay romances in there. And then I even went back and bought games that didn't have gay content because I enjoyed them so much. If it wasn't for Anders and Kaidan, they wouldn't have the copious amounts of money they've gotten from me over the past four years. Imagine who they could get if they didn't treat it like a half-dyed Easter egg. The Silk Fox romance was really meaningful to me because it was one of the first times I felt represented in a game or in media in general. I have always had a soft spot for Bioware because of this. I have bought every game since, dlc, some merchandise and pre-ordered everything because of this representation. It isn't the only reason I play these games but it is why I felt so loyal to Bioware. It is pretty hard explaining that feeling to someone who grew up constantly seeing characters like them and romances like theirs in almost every piece of media they watch/play/listen to. Bioware was one of the first that did this in a game, they are still one of the only companies that do this in gaming so that is why it irritates me when people pretend it isn't important or say romances aren't worth it. ME:A is the first time I have felt very conflicted about their choices. Sure they have made mistakes before but I was hoping they would be getting progressively better. Bioware makes ROLE PLAYING GAMES. Having more varied romance options and the ability to choose to play as different sex/orientation is a good thing. Choice in a RPG is a good thing. They should focus on story, combat, giving the player more choices and stop with the trendy shit that is taking away from that like open world, and poorly paywalled mp. Literally could have written everything after Silk Fox myself, especially the annoyance with open world and multiplayer.
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Post by lightdrago3 on May 11, 2017 1:03:47 GMT
Your avatar reminded me of how much I hate Corrinsexuals. (Also how often she died/got my PC killed because she stupidly charged towards the archers) She is better as support, then switching out when it is safe or for mobility. You gotta protect your sexy battle milfs okay!? I hated that also. She was way to good to be a male only player character romance option. I wanted to pair her with so many people... especially my female character. Ugh, this reminds me of my attempts with Homebrew to install the Gay fates mod. I failed and ended up doing something weird with my space in my SD card. One day I'll reattempt it once I buy a new one. And I wanted Silas for my male Corrin.
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Post by kestrel on May 11, 2017 1:04:32 GMT
I hate that people don't feel welcome in the Jaal thread. Keep posting and F#%k everyone else. Block the douchebags. There's still good people there. Yah, though I admit it makes me increasingly uncomfortable to be associated with it. I can try and make it open and accepting though.
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Post by Kimberly on May 11, 2017 1:04:57 GMT
Well whoever that person is....block is a wonderful feature. Unless they get kicked off the forum there isn't anything else except ignore/block.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 11, 2017 1:04:57 GMT
Honestly, I think it would help to have another LGBT mod. Another mod said it in this thread: The mods can't always catch everything. So having another LGBT mod would not only add another mod to delete homophobic comments, but it's a little easier to notice whether a comment is homophobic or not if, well, you're LGBT. Since, well, to be frank, if you're LGBT and out of the closet, you've likely had to deal with bigoted comments about your sexual and/or gender orientation before. (Hell, I dunno an LGBT person who hasn't had to deal with anything like that ever, whether it's online or in person, so it's easier to scout out due to personal experiences) And if the mods are worried about a bias if they're LGBT, then well, at least it'll balance out some of the other mods' possible biases? Anyways, everybody's got biases when it comes to stuff, so as long as there's checks and balances in moderating (good communication between mods, checking with eachother when it comes to thread wank), it shouldn't be a problem, right? The reality is that it always comes down to reporting posts being the best way to deal with the kinds of comments that aren't supposed to be welcome here. I tend to lurk this thread a decent amount and while another set of eyes would help catch more stuff, things will still slip through the cracks and the times when this thread gets the worst is when a few inflammatory comments aren't immediately caught and it spirals out of control as people respond to them and feed the fire. Responding with a well crafted constructive post is fine but it's always worth remembering: Somebody else breaking the rules doesn't give you a free pass to do the same. If you make a personal attack on somebody who made a homophobic remark, you still made a personal attack(I'll note I say you in a general sense, not you specifically). If people are worried that a mod might have a bias, then all I can really say is that when you report a post it goes into a listing on the admin panel that all the mods have access to and any mod will comment on. It's virtually unheard of that a reported post will be dealt with by a single mod without comments from another mod, regardless of who does the actual PMing. Most of the time a mod acts without getting input from other mods is if the post is something we personally see and it demands immediate attention so things don't spiral into a flamewar. Except multiple people have talked about how reporting inflammatory content doesn't always get caught by mods. I've reported posts in the past that might not have even been glanced at by a mod because of just how many posts get reported due to the size of this forum. And, considering some of the things said in this thread today, I don't even know if I feel comfortable sending a PM to a mod about someone spouting bigoted rhetoric or making personal attacks on LGBT users. There's no trust there anymore, I guess. I'm not saying this to be mean but to be honest, even if it comes off blunt.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:05:30 GMT
I asked in a PM but got no answer. Not yet at least. We had so many in that private chat months ago, it could be anyone. Well, I hope you find out who it is, but even if you don't, that message of "whoever you are, please don't do this" can still be taken back to the Jaal thread in case that's where they mostly lurking/post. No worries there! The romance thread peeps and Jaal thread peeps lurk in each other's threads all the time. Everyone is aware. I'm even in a PM chat now talking about it.
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Post by Dirk on May 11, 2017 1:05:48 GMT
What this poster has posted has been posted in Jaal thread before and did receive many likes. It's probably one of the many reasons why Jaal thread is not so welcoming to gay posters. Eh, I agree that the same phrasing is suspicious, but I sincerely doubt she's the only bigoted Jaal fan in the universe who thinks that making characters bi "ruins" them. I wish I had a great view of humanity, to the point where I think she's definitely that user because who else could it be but... It's very possibly someone else, too. That's true. Plagiarism is still definitely a thing lol Back to romance, have the new outfits caused any glitches during the romance scenes? I am afraid that those headphones are going to glitch right into Gil's body. :gasp:
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:07:19 GMT
Honestly, I think it would help to have another LGBT mod. Another mod said it in this thread: The mods can't always catch everything. So having another LGBT mod would not only add another mod to delete homophobic comments, but it's a little easier to notice whether a comment is homophobic or not if, well, you're LGBT. Since, well, to be frank, if you're LGBT and out of the closet, you've likely had to deal with bigoted comments about your sexual and/or gender orientation before. (Hell, I dunno an LGBT person who hasn't had to deal with anything like that ever, whether it's online or in person, so it's easier to scout out due to personal experiences) And if the mods are worried about a bias if they're LGBT, then well, at least it'll balance out some of the other mods' possible biases? Anyways, everybody's got biases when it comes to stuff, so as long as there's checks and balances in moderating (good communication between mods, checking with eachother when it comes to thread wank), it shouldn't be a problem, right? The reality is that it always comes down to reporting posts being the best way to deal with the kinds of comments that aren't supposed to be welcome here. I tend to lurk this thread a decent amount and while another set of eyes would help catch more stuff, things will still slip through the cracks and the times when this thread gets the worst is when a few inflammatory comments aren't immediately caught and it spirals out of control as people respond to them and feed the fire. Responding with a well crafted constructive post is fine but it's always worth remembering: Somebody else breaking the rules doesn't give you a free pass to do the same. If you make a personal attack on somebody who made a homophobic remark, you still made a personal attack(I'll note I say you in a general sense, not you specifically). If people are worried that a mod might have a bias, then all I can really say is that when you report a post it goes into a listing on the admin panel that all the mods have access to and any mod will comment on. It's virtually unheard of that a reported post will be dealt with by a single mod without comments from another mod, regardless of who does the actual PMing. Most of the time a mod acts without getting input from other mods is if the post is something we personally see and it demands immediate attention so things don't spiral into a flamewar. I think the bigger issue is that posts that aren't inflammatory and necessarily hostile are getting flagged down because someone just didn't like having certain concerns pointed out to them. And it ends up looking like the LGBT person is the :poop: who 'attacked' the straight guy/gal. This is causing friction and then you get actual (virtual) :poop: throwing.
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Post by Kimberly on May 11, 2017 1:07:33 GMT
I hate that people don't feel welcome in the Jaal thread. Keep posting and F#%k everyone else. Block the douchebags. There's still good people there. Yah, though I admit it makes me increasingly uncomfortable to be associated with it. I can try and make it open and accepting though. I lurk a lot. Some things that have been happening, I hate seeing. I want the thread to be open to everyone. I don't want it to have a bad reputation.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:08:13 GMT
Yah, though I admit it makes me increasingly uncomfortable to be associated with it. I can try and make it open and accepting though. I lurk a lot. Some things that have been happening, I hate seeing. I want the thread to be open to everyone. I don't want it to have a bad reputation. Agree so much!
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Post by JadePrince on May 11, 2017 1:08:48 GMT
The reality is that it always comes down to reporting posts being the best way to deal with the kinds of comments that aren't supposed to be welcome here. I tend to lurk this thread a decent amount and while another set of eyes would help catch more stuff, things will still slip through the cracks and the times when this thread gets the worst is when a few inflammatory comments aren't immediately caught and it spirals out of control as people respond to them and feed the fire. Responding with a well crafted constructive post is fine but it's always worth remembering: Somebody else breaking the rules doesn't give you a free pass to do the same. If you make a personal attack on somebody who made a homophobic remark, you still made a personal attack(I'll note I say you in a general sense, not you specifically). If people are worried that a mod might have a bias, then all I can really say is that when you report a post it goes into a listing on the admin panel that all the mods have access to and any mod will comment on. It's virtually unheard of that a reported post will be dealt with by a single mod without comments from another mod, regardless of who does the actual PMing. Most of the time a mod acts without getting input from other mods is if the post is something we personally see and it demands immediate attention so things don't spiral into a flamewar. Except multiple people have talked about how reporting inflammatory content doesn't always get caught by mods. I've reported posts in the past that might not have even been glanced at by a mod because of just how many posts get reported due to the size of this forum. And, considering some of the things said in this thread today, I don't even know if I feel comfortable sending a PM to a mod about someone spouting bigoted rhetoric or making personal attacks on LGBT users. There's no trust there anymore, I guess. I'm not saying this to be mean but to be honest, even if it comes off blunt. Personally, I also would feel more comfortable if there was another lgbt mod. With Nat temporarily (hopefully??) out of commission, it feels a little like there's noone in our corner. Not to say there aren't allies among the mods(I'm sure there are), but it would be a gesture of goodwill to have a regular gay/bi mod around here.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 1:09:00 GMT
Eh, I agree that the same phrasing is suspicious, but I sincerely doubt she's the only bigoted Jaal fan in the universe who thinks that making characters bi "ruins" them. I wish I had a great view of humanity, to the point where I think she's definitely that user because who else could it be but... It's very possibly someone else, too. That's true. Plagiarism is still definitely a thing lol Back to romance, have the new outfits caused any glitches during the romance scenes? I am afraid that those headphones are going to glitch right into Gil's body. :gasp: Given the amount of neck holding in many of the kisses, I can't imagine that as anything but awkward looking.
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 1:09:13 GMT
The reality is that it always comes down to reporting posts being the best way to deal with the kinds of comments that aren't supposed to be welcome here. I tend to lurk this thread a decent amount and while another set of eyes would help catch more stuff, things will still slip through the cracks and the times when this thread gets the worst is when a few inflammatory comments aren't immediately caught and it spirals out of control as people respond to them and feed the fire. Responding with a well crafted constructive post is fine but it's always worth remembering: Somebody else breaking the rules doesn't give you a free pass to do the same. If you make a personal attack on somebody who made a homophobic remark, you still made a personal attack(I'll note I say you in a general sense, not you specifically). If people are worried that a mod might have a bias, then all I can really say is that when you report a post it goes into a listing on the admin panel that all the mods have access to and any mod will comment on. It's virtually unheard of that a reported post will be dealt with by a single mod without comments from another mod, regardless of who does the actual PMing. Most of the time a mod acts without getting input from other mods is if the post is something we personally see and it demands immediate attention so things don't spiral into a flamewar. Except multiple people have talked about how reporting inflammatory content doesn't always get caught by mods. I've reported posts in the past that might not have even been glanced at by a mod because of just how many posts get reported due to the size of this forum. And, considering some of the things said in this thread today, I don't even know if I feel comfortable sending a PM to a mod about someone spouting bigoted rhetoric or making personal attacks on LGBT users. There's no trust there anymore, I guess. I'm not saying this to be mean but to be honest, even if it comes off blunt. I'm not saying this always the case, but it is possible that posts many people might take umbrage with isn't actually violating rules
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 11, 2017 1:10:31 GMT
Except multiple people have talked about how reporting inflammatory content doesn't always get caught by mods. I've reported posts in the past that might not have even been glanced at by a mod because of just how many posts get reported due to the size of this forum. And, considering some of the things said in this thread today, I don't even know if I feel comfortable sending a PM to a mod about someone spouting bigoted rhetoric or making personal attacks on LGBT users. There's no trust there anymore, I guess. I'm not saying this to be mean but to be honest, even if it comes off blunt. I'm not saying this always the case, but it is possible that posts many people might take umbrage with isn't actually violating rules Spouting homophobic rhetoric is against forum rules.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 11, 2017 1:10:43 GMT
Your avatar reminded me of how much I hate Corrinsexuals. (Also how often she died/got my PC killed because she stupidly charged towards the archers) She is better as support, then switching out when it is safe or for mobility. You gotta protect your sexy battle milfs okay!? I hated that also. She was way to good to be a male only player character romance option. I wanted to pair her with so many people... especially my female character. I admit I do like the fliers for ferrying my actual useful units so they can wreck face. Yeah my main issue is "Like I could really get a better child if you'd bone X. WHY WON'T YOU MARRY SOMEONE ELSE." and then there's the Corrinsexuals that are just...huh? Looking at you Awakening Flavio/Blasio and Say'ri/Yen'Fay not to mention Emmeryn who can only support with Robin. It's not like Lissa or Chrom have anything to say to you! *seethes*
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Post by Ryzaki on May 11, 2017 1:12:42 GMT
She is better as support, then switching out when it is safe or for mobility. You gotta protect your sexy battle milfs okay!? I hated that also. She was way to good to be a male only player character romance option. I wanted to pair her with so many people... especially my female character. Ugh, this reminds me of my attempts with Homebrew to install the Gay fates mod. I failed and ended up doing something weird with my space in my SD card. One day I'll reattempt it once I buy a new one. And I wanted Silas for my male Corrin. Silas makes far more sense as the bi option than Zero. Like...he's childhood best friend that leaves everything behind to help you *and* he's on all 3 routes. Why isn't he bi?!? Also like 90% of the Corrinsexuals should've been bi. They're already fanservice. You might as well go all the way.
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Post by Dirk on May 11, 2017 1:13:46 GMT
That's true. Plagiarism is still definitely a thing lol Back to romance, have the new outfits caused any glitches during the romance scenes? I am afraid that those headphones are going to glitch right into Gil's body. :gasp: Given the amount of neck holding in many of the kisses, I can't imagine that as anything but awkward looking. I think only the kiss scene on Tempest is of concern. During the kiss on Eos, Scott wears the armor and so is the kiss on Meridian. On Tempest though, I wonder if Gil's whole arms will pass through the headphones.
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 1:13:56 GMT
I'm not saying this always the case, but it is possible that posts many people might take umbrage with isn't actually violating rules Spouting homophobic rhetoric is against forum rules. Indeed, but not everyone might agree on what constitutes homophobia
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Post by cespar on May 11, 2017 1:14:33 GMT
In fairness, homophobic comments are not acceptable here. But this discussion thread can clear 5 pages in an hour (!) Reporting issues is the normal first step, but I'm happy to take a PM (to take a further look at specifics) if the ability of anyone to post in a hassle-free environment is compromised. I do have to say this, and I'm saying it openly and honestly without hyperbole: This forum has had a history of very unfortunate tolerance of homophobia, both subtle and blatant. I've seen the mods take action swiftly against the really blatant trolls. But the blatant homophobia from the regulars? Not so much. The subtle homophobia almost always goes unchecked. And there is a strong bias with some of the mods that many members of the LGBT community here feel very uncomfortable with. I have personally reported posts and they have not been dealt with in any way that I can see. Content still exists. Posters still post. And I know that this has been the case with others as well. I don't think that the mods are openly and consciously being homophobic, but some of them are being homophobic by creating a forum where LGBT posters do not feel that they will be treated the same as straight posters. I'm happy to talk about it in PM. But it's not new. You know I've pointed this out before. And it's coming to a head now. I agree with you, Dave. But sometimes this "romance" thread is like that with straight posters. Even Nat said she had people pming her about this issue. LGBT and Straight people should be comfortable posting wherever they want.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:14:41 GMT
She is better as support, then switching out when it is safe or for mobility. You gotta protect your sexy battle milfs okay!? I hated that also. She was way to good to be a male only player character romance option. I wanted to pair her with so many people... especially my female character. Ugh, this reminds me of my attempts with Homebrew to install the Gay fates mod. I failed and ended up doing something weird with my space in my SD card. One day I'll reattempt it once I buy a new one. And I wanted Silas for my male Corrin. At least you guys get Niles. He is cute but promiscuous. The women get Rhajat.... She was hot but literally an insane stalker. I embarrassingly romanced Takami with my female player and Camilla with my male character... It is really frustrating because Camilla is so obviously interested in you if your a girl but also because of implications.... People who have played the game know what I am talking about. I DIDN'T LIKE IT OKAY?? It is not my fault that most of the best characters were associated with you that way... there is a lot I don't approve of in that game actually. Reina was my favorite romance-able character but I didn't really enjoy playing the male protagonist.
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Post by lightdrago3 on May 11, 2017 1:15:05 GMT
Ugh, this reminds me of my attempts with Homebrew to install the Gay fates mod. I failed and ended up doing something weird with my space in my SD card. One day I'll reattempt it once I buy a new one. And I wanted Silas for my male Corrin. Silas makes far more sense as the bi option than Zero. Like...he's childhood best friend that leaves everything behind to help you *and* he's on all 3 routes. Why isn't he bi?!? Exactly, chose Flora to romance instead of Niles when I got Revelation because I wasn't interested in him. I need gay Fates hack damnit! I really should hop to it at buying that SD Card... >.> @andraste I will admit Niles is better as a bi option than Tharja was. Making her as the bi option was strange, especially since she was one of the children, and I don't really like having them as ROs. >.>
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:16:32 GMT
Do you have a name for me? PM me if you want. Do you really think any LGBT regs here would still come to you of all people with this? Serious question. I don't get what you're playing at here. Hmmm... I don't know. Maybe because I'm not against you guys??? Maybe because how some have acted has made me angry and I said things that are not true, but hurtful just because I was hurting? Maybe I am hurt that some people and I drifted apart over the Jaal thing? Maybe I am sick of Gil's Salty Gloves harassing me with screencaps and old posts of things that don't even matter because nothing I said was true and he needs to get over it? Maybe I am a nice woman who is not homophobic but absolutely sick of being called one for things not related to it at all???
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 11, 2017 1:17:48 GMT
Spouting homophobic rhetoric is against forum rules. Indeed, but not everyone might agree on what constitutes homophobia I think LGBT people's opinion on what is homophobia is a little more important than a straight person's opinion on what is homophobia. Just putting that out there.
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Post by KalleDemos on May 11, 2017 1:18:57 GMT
I have mixed feelings on the Mass Effect franchise 'hiatus' if reports are accurate. On the one hand I love the series. I've played regularly since Mass 1 released and will for years more. But then there was the whole event surrounding MEA. As you may know the flat out bigoted and intentional decision to exclude gay men from the Squad and minimize gay content as well as the queer baiting that took place before release led to my decision to pass on the game altogether. Under normal circumstances this would be crushing but that insult on top of all of the other short comings that should not exists after five years of development and the series of unfortunate choices made by the current MEA team, I'm like: media.giphy.com/media/xT0BKCN7VdWsoQczU4/giphy.gif
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:19:37 GMT
Indeed, but not everyone might agree on what constitutes homophobia I think LGBT people's opinion on what is homophobia is a little more important than a straight person's opinion on what is homophobia. Just putting that out there. I think people labeling themself is stupid, even if i am unfornately in a group that has that label.
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