The Character Romance thread (Official)

Yep! To us, being called something we aren't is as bad as you guys being called homos in a bigotry way.
 
TELL US WHAT WE SAID SO WE KNOW NOT TO SAY IT THAT WAY AGAIN

It's worth keeping in mind that sometimes what you consider an inflammatory post just isn't seen as being against the site rules by the moderator staff, or that banning the person and removing the post isn't always the solution that's decided on.

Also an actual report of the post by clicking on the gear on the top right and selecting "report post" is the proper way to report a post. When you a PM a moderator then it only goes to that moderator, but the actual report function sends it to a list that all moderators have access to and can comment on before action is taken. Sometimes it takes a little bit for us to reach a decision, but we'll always discuss it at that point.

I noticed that earlier Gil's Salty Gloves said he reported an inflammatory post and yet, I can't find any record of it. I looked as far back in the archives as 2 months and I don't see any posts reported by him. I'm not intending on calling him out here but if there was such a post that he wanted somebody to look at, I'd love to see it so it can be handled.

and it's impossible for a mod to actually delete something out of the record. If it gets reported, it's in that list.

I'm also going to play a bit of devil's advocate here and say that it's entirely possible to take up some of the points of view frequently called homophobic in this thread from a stance that isn't homophobic. Just because somebody disagrees that Jaal being made bi would ruin his character doesn't mean that there is no other reason for having that opinion.

The politics thread has made me be more aware of things like that. A lot of stuff got reported in that thread whenever two opposing opinions clashed.

but it's only by having opposing points of view and having our ideas actually be challenged that things grow stronger. An echo chamber doesn't serve anybody, and admittedly this thread has a bit of a habit of being one.

I'm here to try to remove homophobic and heterophobic(which are just as unacceptable) comments, not to try to remove opposing points of view. The trick is being able to tell the difference between the two, which can become a very blurred line.

I like to think that I personally have always tried to be fair to everybody, but if there's no trust I don't imagine as there is much as I can actually say to bring it back.

Saying gays don't deserve anything is homophobic?
Saying that Jaal would be ruined by being made bi was biphobic/homophobic? Personally, I didn't know about the latter till someone showed me and as someone who is Bi and thought we were friends, that stung a lot.

*Spacey Space~

And I said that where? When I said certain people attacking Gamble did not deserve the m/m patch, but those that do I still want them to have it? As for the bi thing I was angry and not once felt that way truly what I believed. I feel changing a character post launch is wrong unless it's a new game or DLC, but for me ruined = broken aka coding.

There's literally no reason to say that a character being bi would "ruin" a character that would actually make that statement okay.

And I said that where? When I said certain people attacking Gamble did not deserve the m/m patch, but those that do I still want them to have it? As for the bi thing I was angry and not once felt that way truly what I believed. I feel changing a character post launch is wrong unless it's a new game or DLC, but for me ruined = broken aka coding.

It's worth keeping in mind that sometimes what you consider an inflammatory post just isn't seen as being against the site rules by the moderator staff, or that banning the person and removing the post isn't always the solution that's decided on.

Also an actual report of the post by clicking on the gear on the top right and selecting "report post" is the proper way to report a post. When you a PM a moderator then it only goes to that moderator, but the actual report function sends it to a list that all moderators have access to and can comment on before action is taken. Sometimes it takes a little bit for us to reach a decision, but we'll always discuss it at that point.

I noticed that earlier Gil's Salty Gloves said he reported an inflammatory post and yet, I can't find any record of it. I looked as far back in the archives as 2 months and I don't see any posts reported by him. I'm not intending on calling him out here but if there was such a post that he wanted somebody to look at, I'd love to see it so it can be handled.

and it's impossible for a mod to actually delete something out of the record. If it gets reported, it's in that list.

I'm also going to play a bit of devil's advocate here and say that it's entirely possible to take up some of the points of view frequently called homophobic in this thread from a stance that isn't homophobic. Just because somebody disagrees that Jaal being made bi would ruin his character doesn't mean that there is no other reason for having that opinion.

The politics thread has made me be more aware of things like that. A lot of stuff got reported in that thread whenever two opposing opinions clashed.

but it's only by having opposing points of view and having our ideas actually be challenged that things grow stronger. An echo chamber doesn't serve anybody, and admittedly this thread has a bit of a habit of being one.

I'm here to try to remove homophobic and heterophobic(which are just as unacceptable) comments, not to try to remove opposing points of view. The trick is being able to tell the difference between the two, which can become a very blurred line.

I like to think that I personally have always tried to be fair to everybody, but if there's no trust I don't imagine as there is much as I can actually say to bring it back.

So basically, what you're saying is: LGBT people don't deserve equal treatment unless they're one of that special group that you think deserves it.

Equal treatment isn't about whether you like them, ladyconsular. It's about giving groups equal treatment and aren't about individual grudges against people in that group. If some personal grudge makes you think we don't deserve equal treatment, then that's nonsense. Gay people don't "deserve" equal treatment out of being kind and gracious and always kissing your ass but out of being a person just like you.

No I think people that a jerks should get nothing. That's straight people too. If I find someone being a jerk and undeserving, I don't care what they prefer romance-wise, I think as a person they are being rude and should not be rewarded for attacking someone. 

Not the ruined. We don't care if you had a million gay romances. We tend to get deep into the character and analyze to death and conclude things. It's not being homophobic when we like m/m stuff and support it and the people here. It's just us seeing a character and seeing how they were written and having a different view.

I am aware of the ones that dd say horrible things, but they aren't around anymore and I had told them off in PM's a few times and even shut down a chat with it got nasty and turned against you guys.