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Post by Suaimhneas on May 11, 2017 2:10:31 GMT
If you spout anti-gay shit when you are angry, yes, we're still going to be pissed. We're not responsible for your emotional stability or hysterically induced bigotry. Your argument here is absurd. "It's not my fault for saying bad things about the gays, it's their fault for complaining about the bad shit I said about gays!" If you abandon your support the second things get slightly uncomfortable, you clearly weren't that invested in it. Just like you're the first one to jump to the defense of people like the girl on Twitter harassing #MakeJaalBi posters, but I've never once seen you get half as riled up about anyone saying anything negative about people that were supposedly your gay friends. When you're this quick to throw LGBT people under the bus when you're mad, what do you really expect the reaction to be? It's obvious where your loyalties are and it's not with us. For the record: That was after massbass told me he was being harassed by you guys. Again anger because of cruelty, not who you are. My post itself says it. That was the post that actually led to you becoming rather infamous in the bioware LGBT community even off this forum. So I'd stress that you should think before you make angry posts and be sure you don't say anything you'll regret. Also Massbass purposefully played the victim to incite drama. Next.
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Post by lightdrago3 on May 11, 2017 2:10:36 GMT
I think people are taking a wrong turn over one specifc misunderstanding and it's having further implications than I realized. So in the interests of peace, let's clear things up: the post I removed earlier which prompted the in-thread warning was not over calling a poster homophobic. I'm pretty sure other people called homophobia and I didn't even bat an eye because the post in question was in rather bad taste, even if not specifically against the rules. Furthermore I don't personally believe calling someone homophobic is an instant ban-worthy attack. Different contexts may yield different results of course, but in a vacuum, it's not automatically bad (the calling homophobia, not actually being homophobic) I removed the post I did because the owner of said post told the other user to fuck off. That is a personal attack any way you slice it and against the rules, no matter how righteous one may feel at the time. We've intervened in cases like that everywhere from General to MP to Off-Topic- even in the Politics thread. Again, context rules all- buddies bantering between themselves is one thing, this was something else. And while I'm on the subject, I can personally say I approve of how everyone handled the inciting post, save the case above. Some of you called it out as trolling/bait, some of you tore the flimsy argument apart, some of you just ignored it. I don't think I could've added anything of significance there, as a mod or as a user. I'm glad that you are clarifying yourself here. But I need to point out that this is very very far from "one specific misunderstanding". There is a pattern here from numerous posters and several of the mods that have created a very uncomfortable situation for LGBT posters. If you (the mods) are genuinely interested in addressing this and learning from it, I'm happy to talk via PM about it. But it's definitely more than a single misunderstanding or issues with one poster. You're not very good at this lurking thing are you?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:11:55 GMT
That was after massbass told me he was being harassed by you guys. Again anger because of cruelty, not who you are. My post itself says it. That was post actually led to you becoming rather infamous in bioware LGBT community even off this forum. So I'd stress that you should think before you make angry posts and be sure you don't say anything you'll regret. Also Massbass purposefully played the victim to incite drama. Next. I had no idea and I was very trusting of everyone in the Jaal thread. That one post held against me over that? No one told me anything about what really happened.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 11, 2017 2:12:21 GMT
You realize he took arguments out of context to make himself look like a victim being bullied by the gays? No I trusted him and believed him. That was my own fault. Well, I don't blame people for necessarily buying into what massbass said. It's hard to know what happened if you're not there, and he was pretty good at making it look like it was some "heterophobic" crusade. But buying into what he said isn't why we were frustrated with you. It's what you said in response, I think.
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Post by Kimberly on May 11, 2017 2:12:39 GMT
I hope all this airing of grievances can help everyone move on? Move on to happier things like salt mines and such.
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 2:12:45 GMT
ok well then I have a question for you Back on BSN Prime, I was told my opinion on romances was invalid because I am straight, is that a legitimate viewpoint? Should the person who said that have been reprimanded? Your opinions are invalid for a whole host of other reasons tbh >.> Heil Cerberus
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Post by caladrius on May 11, 2017 2:13:57 GMT
Heterophobic is a lol phrase, there is no such thing and to compare it to actual homophobia which is a real fuckin' thing, many that I'm sure alot of the LGBT community here has endured/experienced in their daily lives is goddamn infuriating to see it so casually being spun here. A few salty gays on a gaming message board, can't handle what a few salty gays post here. Lol, and people call us over sensitive snowflakes. ok well then I have a question for you Back on BSN Prime, I was told my opinion on romances was invalid because I am straight, is that a legitimate viewpoint? Should the person who said that have been reprimanded? I would say no, they shouldn't be reprimanded, but you're free to think their opinion is wrong. I would say the same if someone said an LGBT person's opinion on straight LIs is less valid. It's a personal opinion, you can disgagree/refute, but it shouldn't be shut down full stop. I'm in favor of pretty lax moderation, though. Like I said, I don't think either side has ever broken what I'd think deserves moderator intervention in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:13:59 GMT
No I trusted him and believed him. That was my own fault. Well, I don't blame people for necessarily buying into what massbass said. It's hard to know what happened if you're not there, and he was pretty good at making it look like it was some "heterophobic" crusade. But buying into what he said isn't why we were frustrated with you. It's what you said in response, I think. He sent me a lot of PM's. Most of the stuff that made me angry was PM's that set me off. That's what I mean by things behind the scenes started it. He also made me promise not to say anything related to him, so I sealed my own fate with that post.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 2:14:14 GMT
I'm glad that you are clarifying yourself here. But I need to point out that this is very very far from "one specific misunderstanding". There is a pattern here from numerous posters and several of the mods that have created a very uncomfortable situation for LGBT posters. If you (the mods) are genuinely interested in addressing this and learning from it, I'm happy to talk via PM about it. But it's definitely more than a single misunderstanding or issues with one poster. You're not very good at this lurking thing are you? Thank the Maker. We need our forum Dad. If Mom (Nat) would come back, we'd be all set. [edit] I have to throw sandalisthemaker in there too as Dad #2.
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Post by Ryzaki on May 11, 2017 2:14:17 GMT
ok well then I have a question for you Back on BSN Prime, I was told my opinion on romances was invalid because I am straight, is that a legitimate viewpoint? Should the person who said that have been reprimanded? Your opinions are invalid for a whole host of other reasons tbh Particularly for having shit tier taste. SMH.
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 2:15:56 GMT
ok well then I have a question for you Back on BSN Prime, I was told my opinion on romances was invalid because I am straight, is that a legitimate viewpoint? Should the person who said that have been reprimanded? I would say no, they shouldn't be reprimanded, but you're free to think their opinion is wrong. I would say the same if someone said an LGBT person's opinion on straight LIs is less valid. It's a personal opinion, you can disgagree/refute, but it shouldn't be shut down full stop. I'm in favor of pretty lax moderation, though. Like I said, I don't think either side has ever broken what I'd think deserves moderator intervention in this thread. It wasn't about gay romances only, romances in general are what I was supposedly unqualified to comment on
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Post by Crim on May 11, 2017 2:16:12 GMT
Heterophobic is a lol phrase, there is no such thing and to compare it to actual homophobia which is a real fuckin' thing, many that I'm sure alot of the LGBT community here has endured/experienced in their daily lives is goddamn infuriating to see it so casually being spun here. A few salty gays on a gaming message board, can't handle what a few salty gays post here. Lol, and people call us over sensitive snowflakes. Anybody who has paid attention to my posts should know that I do not abide by replacing one system of inequality with another system of inequality. I'm not here to get into a epeen waving content over who has it worse because I full well know who has had it worse but the fact still stands: If anti-LGBT comments are to be unacceptable then so are anti-straight comments. My response to arguments of "but LGBT people have it so much worse in life" is the first sentence of this post. Letting anti-straight comments go is another system of inequality. Comments like the people who went "ew, straight guy fantasy". Which yes, people did make those comments when I pointed out if romances are about fantasy than Cora should cater to straight guy fantasy. One poster even tried to suggest that they add rape because "Many guys fantasize about it". I'm not personally offended by it, but my morals are what they are. I'll make no apology for them. Heterophobic is not a thing, to entertain it as a thing is stupid, ALOT of those posts are tongue in cheek, it's fuckin' salt. I'm sure you guys are doing your best, some don't intend to come off biased but, you have serious blinders on when it comes to the LGBT community here. Really don't think you can get where alot of our complaints are coming from unless you have actually experienced it.
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Post by lilyenachaos on May 11, 2017 2:16:15 GMT
I hope all this airing of grievances can help everyone move on? Move on to happier things like salt mines and such. I'm busy staring at Crim 's avatar gif, 'cause that woman is sexy. It's a good way to pass the time.
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 2:16:44 GMT
Your opinions are invalid for a whole host of other reasons tbh Particularly for having shit tier taste. SMH. Death to the Geth thb
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:17:21 GMT
Anybody who has paid attention to my posts should know that I do not abide by replacing one system of inequality with another system of inequality. I'm not here to get into a epeen waving content over who has it worse because I full well know who has had it worse but the fact still stands: If anti-LGBT comments are to be unacceptable then so are anti-straight comments. My response to arguments of "but LGBT people have it so much worse in life" is the first sentence of this post. Letting anti-straight comments go is another system of inequality. Comments like the people who went "ew, straight guy fantasy". Which yes, people did make those comments when I pointed out if romances are about fantasy than Cora should cater to straight guy fantasy. One poster even tried to suggest that they add rape because "Many guys fantasize about it". I'm not personally offended by it, but my morals are what they are. I'll make no apology for them. Heterophobic is not a thing, to entertain it as a thing is stupid, ALOT of those posts are tongue in cheek, it's fuckin' salt. I'm sure you guys are doing your best, some don't intend to come off biased but, you have serious blinders on when it comes to the LGBT community here. Really don't think you can get where alot of our complaints are coming from unless you have actually experienced it. We don't understand it the way you guys do. Is there any thread here where we could all learn from each other? No one likes or wants to hurt anyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:17:39 GMT
That was post actually led to you becoming rather infamous in bioware LGBT community even off this forum. So I'd stress that you should think before you make angry posts and be sure you don't say anything you'll regret. Also Massbass purposefully played the victim to incite drama. Next. I had no idea and I was very trusting of everyone in the Jaal thread. That one post held against me over that? No one told me anything about what really happened. This is why I pointed out not to bring other arguments or discussions from other Threads into J Thread. This ^. Remember that many of in J thread don't leave it and take your word as God. Gotta be careful what is brought in
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:17:41 GMT
Maybe, but people tell jokes that are racist, but they don't think of them like that because they are jokes. Should that joke then be censored because someone somewhere might be offended? If that is the case where do you draw the line on what people can say and not say? Aslong as they never meant something hurtful by it, why should it then be an issue? It seems more like payback on someone because they spoke out of turn than anything else. Racist jokes are still racist. Homophobic jokes are still homophobic. Them being jokes doesn't make them less bigoted. And I'm not saying these things should necessarily be censored, but getting offended when people point out they're bigoted is stupid. Call these things what they are instead of getting wrapped up in semantics. Defensively going "Oh, they're just jokes!" doesn't help anyone, tbh. Then we get into the nitty gritty, who decides what is what? I've been called plenty of things in my life, homo, being one of them, but i didn't consider that homophobic. So does that mean that i have to conform to your idea of what is racist and homophobic? Is there a general consensus? Since every individual(yes that is what we are) will read into things differently it is incredibly hard to know what is kosher or not. Which is again the problem with the whole PC culture we are living in.
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Post by lightdrago3 on May 11, 2017 2:17:56 GMT
Particularly for having shit tier taste. SMH. Death to the Geth thb This is why you're opinion is irrelevant you ORGANIC.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 11, 2017 2:18:11 GMT
I hope all this airing of grievances can help everyone move on? Move on to happier things like salt mines and such. I'm busy staring at Crim 's avatar gif, 'cause that woman is sexy. It's a good way to pass the time. I don't know who she is, but I want her avatar to raw me. I'm not even usually into blondes.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:19:04 GMT
I had no idea and I was very trusting of everyone in the Jaal thread. That one post held against me over that? No one told me anything about what really happened. This is why I pointed out not to bring other arguments or discussions from other Threads into J Thread. This ^. Remember that many of in J thread don't leave it and take your word as God. Gotta be careful what is brought in This isn't the first time this has happened to me, I just thought it was over. Maybe I should trust no one ever again. Might be safer.
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 2:19:33 GMT
I'm busy staring at Crim 's avatar gif, 'cause that woman is sexy. It's a good way to pass the time. I don't know who she is, but I want her avatar to raw me. I'm not even usually into blondes. wow, didn't know you had such poor tast tbh
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Post by Suaimhneas on May 11, 2017 2:19:58 GMT
That was post actually led to you becoming rather infamous in bioware LGBT community even off this forum. So I'd stress that you should think before you make angry posts and be sure you don't say anything you'll regret. Also Massbass purposefully played the victim to incite drama. Next. I had no idea and I was very trusting of everyone in the Jaal thread. That one post held against me over that? No one told me anything about what really happened. Thats why i'd suggest not acting rashly. Try thinking things over especially if they deal with sensitive subjects.
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Post by lilyenachaos on May 11, 2017 2:20:10 GMT
I'm busy staring at Crim 's avatar gif, 'cause that woman is sexy. It's a good way to pass the time. I don't know who she is, but I want her avatar to raw me. I'm not even usually into blondes. Hehe, me either, but she's gorgeous. I enjoy staring. It's not creepy at all. :amirite:
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Post by Crim on May 11, 2017 2:20:18 GMT
Heterophobic is a lol phrase, there is no such thing and to compare it to actual homophobia which is a real fuckin' thing, many that I'm sure alot of the LGBT community here has endured/experienced in their daily lives is goddamn infuriating to see it so casually being spun here. A few salty gays on a gaming message board, can't handle what a few salty gays post here. Lol, and people call us over sensitive snowflakes. ok well then I have a question for you Back on BSN Prime, I was told my opinion on romances was invalid because I am straight, is that a legitimate viewpoint? Should the person who said that have been reprimanded? You gonna die on this heterophobic hill cos, heterophobia is a real thing. I hope you can find a support group.
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Post by caladrius on May 11, 2017 2:20:28 GMT
I would say no, they shouldn't be reprimanded, but you're free to think their opinion is wrong. I would say the same if someone said an LGBT person's opinion on straight LIs is less valid. It's a personal opinion, you can disgagree/refute, but it shouldn't be shut down full stop. I'm in favor of pretty lax moderation, though. Like I said, I don't think either side has ever broken what I'd think deserves moderator intervention in this thread. It wasn't about gay romances only, romances in general are what I was supposedly unqualified to comment on Well, it's a shitty comment, but is it really that big of a deal? I would reserve moderator action for shit like "throw all ___ in the oven", not BS posts about who's opinion matters more on romances. It's basically like the "only 2% of people are gays so they matter less" comment. I understand if you think it's douchey, but I wouldn't bring in the mods.
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