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Post by Salty Drell on May 11, 2017 9:12:21 GMT
Every day when a bisexual wakes up, they will have to flip a coin. If it's a head, they can only flirt with the same sex. If it's a tail, they can only flirt with the different sex. Are you telling me id did it wrong my whole life? oh NOOOOOOOOO My life is empty and meaningless now.. shit..what do I do now? Can I go to the Bureau of Gay Agenda tm maybe they can now help me make sense of it all.. Do you think something went wrong when they delivered my "Queer Agenda" Package? because they seem to have forgotten the old and trusty "Bi-flipper tm" and I mean i cant take an normal coin, those arent fab enough.. (this is truly high quality shitposting here.. I see myself out ) Don't you go anywhere friend, I got my eye on you.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 11, 2017 9:23:46 GMT
Citadel party, upper level, Tali, Traynor, EDI discuss the voice attraction and Tali is like awwwkwaaard. i think even before that you can hear traynor talk to edi and her voice is fawning like hell..Shes a bit like when Sera talk about qunari women.. Like THATS the moment I knew traynor was into women, because she has the hots for edi Like I think she reacts super happy when Edi compliments her abilities and somethinga bout edisvoice? its a bit long ago but.. idk.. maybe I remember that stuff better because, hey representation matters :3 Hmn..maybe I should do a ME3 playthrough and date her..
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Post by ash on May 11, 2017 9:25:13 GMT
Main secret of DA series got revealed. Elves are goats.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 11, 2017 9:40:01 GMT
Yes, and that's why i don't want him to be another character that was ruined by "forced diversity". If there was a homophobic bingo card, "forced diversity" would probably be on the upper right hand corner. Or maybe the center space on the last column to the right. What do you think? Upper right hand corner or last column to the right? well there is this.. its similar but not the same. maybe we can make one?
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 11, 2017 10:21:05 GMT
I'll be honest here. I do not deal well with conflict. More than once in my life I've been called a doormat because I will let people walk over me without complaint. If I was able to summon the guts to call someone out for saying something homophobic, and they reacted poorly and got defensive and decided I was personally attacking them? I'd probably back down and log off. I just don't have the stamina to argue or educate. So unless other people pick up the debate for me, I'm going to have to hope that some people (especially those who want to be allies) will learn from experience, example, or their own research to figure out what things are generally considered homophobic by the lgbt community. It's really easy to make mistakes, but it's also easy to say "Oh shit, my bad, I didn't realize that was a homophobic thing to say because I don't have the same perspective as you do. I'll try not to do that again." (Even posting this is making me anxious, tbh ahahahahahahaa....) Please dont, you done good with it I just hope your constructive post can help explain stuff. here have two avocado cheering you on.(they are also green)
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Post by Salty Drell on May 11, 2017 10:23:54 GMT
I'll be honest here. I do not deal well with conflict. More than once in my life I've been called a doormat because I will let people walk over me without complaint. If I was able to summon the guts to call someone out for saying something homophobic, and they reacted poorly and got defensive and decided I was personally attacking them? I'd probably back down and log off. I just don't have the stamina to argue or educate. So unless other people pick up the debate for me, I'm going to have to hope that some people (especially those who want to be allies) will learn from experience, example, or their own research to figure out what things are generally considered homophobic by the lgbt community. It's really easy to make mistakes, but it's also easy to say "Oh shit, my bad, I didn't realize that was a homophobic thing to say because I don't have the same perspective as you do. I'll try not to do that again." (Even posting this is making me anxious, tbh ahahahahahahaa....) Please dont, you done good with it I just hope your constructive post can help explain stuff. here have two avocado cheering you on.(they are also green) One is certainly fatter than the other, it's got a belly.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 11, 2017 10:57:06 GMT
This is where first hand perception becomes important. There's a lot than can be missed when you're in different shoes. Ok but whose? The author, who determines intent? Or his audience on which those words make an impression? Obviously things can rub people the wrong way. So which is more important, intent or impression? By both measures, a single group can't claim sole sovereignty on a free pass or automatic condemnation. If intent matters, than neither the straight nor gay joker should be penalized for their antics if done in jest. And if impression is more important, both groups can be hurt by errant words. I think we need to find the balance along both spectrums. well.. ist like with the baseball bat-child.. The impression matters- imho especially in the cases where the impression is HURT. Like.. My So has elbowed me in the face on multiple occasions when turning around in bed.. shit happens, wasn't intended but like the nice person he is, he still apologized.. As I did when i accidentally elbowed him one time.. As i did when i accidentally stepped on his toe too. I mean one of my post in this Thread came off as condescending and rude and damn, that answer I got stung like shit because I felt lumped in with people I don't want to be lumped in.. because I am not those people. But if I do something that comes over as such, i can explain but the effect still stands, or not? So yeah I'm hurt because I feel people have a wrong impression of me, but thats because something i did gave them that impression, it rarely comes out of thin air. (those people: (queer and transphobic straight that go in other threads to be assholes). We had that one example now and I feel I get better what some posters saw in my posting..)I meant that post as a joke. But it came over as attack and I am happy that someone was able to point that out to me- other just were snarky and mean.. (I can get that too, tho. Especially after the porter story now..) but one poster was able to tell me hey, yo, that came off as condescending and reminded me of something other mean people do, so, that's not cool, knock it off? so I apologized and I hope that apology was good enough because, yes, the post was meant as a joke, but it didnt work. I'd be a shitty joker if I would still try to push that through when I know it causes people hurt. (I am a bad joker because I cant sport such a cap and beard and not look stupid..) so If people learn that their behavior, their jokes hurt and then they still dont budge or even acknowledge it (maybe over own hurt) then it can come over as if that maybe was the intent.. because if you dont want to hrut, why would you still want tu push through criticism and stand to the thing you did that hurt people? you get what i mean? (english isn't my first language and those emotional topic make it sometimes a bit harder to formulate a clear thought.. I also havent taken my meds today os my mind is a bit foggy. better suited to shipposting tahn to this)
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 11, 2017 11:45:45 GMT
"Your sibling will be out there, doing their own thing (...)" If by doing something you mean being in a coma for the vast majority of the game and play no significant role in the story whatsoever... There was so much potencial for this component and they just brushed it away. I personally would have done something along these lines: If you're playing Sara: Make Scott join forces with Kandros in the APEX missions, since Scott seems to have more of a military-side to him (I wanna say?). At some point, have a few missions in which he asks for your help with dealing with Kett forces threatening an Outpost's safety or just to take down a Kett base and both siblings fighting side by side. Hell, even make some side-comments on the squad you decide to bring along. If you're playing Scott: Make Sara join that scientist team on the Nexus, since her background mentions she really enjoys working with scientists and that she was working with the Systems Alliance on its search for Prothean technology on Mars. Also have a few missions in which she asks for your help with an expedition she's leading in order to find more artifacts that could lead to more knowledge on the Jardaan or just figuring out more data on the Remnants. Hell, give her a mission in which you do need her help to figure out a way to activate a Vault. Let her make side-comments on the squad you bring along as well. There, plain and simple. It wasnt that hard, was it BW Montreal?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 11:49:52 GMT
Hehe, me either, but she's gorgeous. I enjoy staring. It's not creepy at all. :amirite: Bless, You girls need to be educated, it's Kara "Starbuck" Thrace, from BattleStar Galactica, actress Katee Sackhoff. Yes. The sexy Kara avatar combined with the sass is distracting. :kiss:
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 11, 2017 12:01:29 GMT
I AM STILL TOO STUPID FOR MULTIQUOTE.. So I'm doing it manually.. (i.e open like 3 windos and copypaste.) Even a lot of the krogan have weird coloring that doesnt really fit. Angara look fine but thats mostly because they have two faces, one male, one female, and just repeat those. Same with turians and salarians, its just less noticeable on non human looking faces. Yeah I really don't like the female Angaran faces either. Like their eyes are super huge animu eyes. But those lips.. srsly every time I see Avela, Paaran or Sjefa talk-- I wonder how It would be to kiss them... BIOWARE GIVE US GAY ALIENS PLEASE..
Lesbian or Bi Angaran lady and gay angaran dudes (and evfra, ofc)
Are you denying the existence of heterophobia as an institution or that bias against hetero people can exist at all? I'm gonna try as best I can to answer this. Because for me, to call this bias against straight people a "phobia" is putting it on the same level as homophobia, which already has the unfortunate history. Everyone knows there isn't a recorded incident in history where queer people lynched a straight person for being straight. Is there? In your particular case, when someone told you that your opinions are invalid as a straight person? I call it being an arsehole to straight people. And I don't support the idea of being an arsehole to straight people. But straight people won't experience such things like being in the closet and fearing getting kicked out for their sexuality or knowing that whenever they go see a movie or read a book, there's a good chance there isn't going to be a character with the same sexual orientation or gender identity that would resonate with them. Straight people will say that it's not a big deal, but when little microaggressions in every day life remind you that you're of a lower tier human being based on one facet of your identity (that being sexuality and gender identity), it is a big deal. You know this. So straight people will say or do things ignorant of queer people's realities. They get called out, some learn, some don't, the cycle goes on, rinse, wash, repeat. On our end, we're resentful that no matter what, straight people will always have the lion's share when it comes to representation and content in the media. That's just how it is. Some of us are gonna be very bitter about it. If provoked, some of us will say some mean things, begrudging you for your luck as a straight person. But as heterophobia? Genuine heterophobia? With all the connotations and the discourse and the awful shit that comes with it? You're not genuinely hurt by these comments, are you? I apologise if you really are. But you can turn off the computer and sleep easy at night that video games will always have straight protagonists. Or straight romances if they include romances at all. They'll always include people like you. I'm not trying to justify queer people's mean-spirited comments aimed at you for being straight, because I find the idea of attacking someone's identity abhorrent, no matter how much I resent heteronormativity. But perhaps in your particular case, they're said because they're frustrated with your comments, and you cannot understand their reality, no matter how much you try, because you never lived it. I don't know, I wasn't there when someone said that comment. As for saying that your opinion on romances in general because you're straight? I think that was an arsehole-ish thing to say to you. If you want to call it heterophobic, that is entirely your prerogative. I don't want to compare Oppression Olympics by giving examples of some shitty things said to queer people online (because that has never happened before) and dismiss your feelings as the straight person in question. So, to your original question: queer people will hold some bias against straight folk because we're never certain that you'll have our backs as a social minority- in this case, better representation and content for queer protagonists, characters, and stories. There is nothing in this endeavour for you (apart from gaining friends), and you do not understand what exactly we're looking for here, or why, and that's just the hard truth. But heterophobia, as an institution contrived by queer folk to bring you straight people down? I don't think we ever had that power. And we never will. also.. heterophobic? Idk, I see some people being a bit aggro towards people they call breeder- like cis-hets who think that having a child is the only thing a cis woman 1 should do and that the only valid form of family is the mystically elevated nuclear family with father mother child.. But that's not heterophobic because the strongest "anti breeder sentiment " I have seen is from the childfree subreddit-and I think most people there are hetero and just annoyed other people cant stop putting their noses up their reproductive systems.. People can react angry because they got ignored, lied to shat on and now condescended by people who dislike having their conscious and subconscious biases be called out because they know that its seen as uncouth and impolite to be a homophobe today.. But being called one isn't as bad as being one for some..7(well being called one will sting for people who arent because they dont want to be one.. but then one ought to listen and ask themselves why people may want to call oneself a homophobe and whether that sentiment may have one base in a post or a reaction. If one then learns that ,yes, something may be taken this way, the best idea would be to try to change that.. It's hard, but changing is. Growing pains are a thing. If it isnt and a single person that loves to spout -*ist/*phobic shit themselves and just uses the word as a club (like some altright twatwaffles love to coopt terms and use them against people who fight against those sentiments as a way of " Lol, gotcha!!" ing..) then one can ignore it but still think about it the next time? Introspection can always be a valuable thing I think.. .. soo.. heteros.. I love heteros, my best friend is even a hetero, but .. eh I dont knwo whete that statement is going.. I also don't think heterophobia is a thing.. People dont spit in your face and call you "childshitter" or something like that. There is misogyny but hey, Lesbians are women, sooooo I don't think I would've been elbowed in the face had I not held hand with a really cute woman on that one day... I don't think straight people have to think whether they want to hold hand in public or even *gasp* share a kiss, because that only rarely would lead to assaults or verbal attacks.. Not even just that.. I yesterday saw two dudes holding hand and it made me happy because it shows that they felt secure enough to do so.. but.. then again to quote the great panti bliss. .
"But now, our small intimate gesture between two people in love is no longer a small intimate gesture, it is a political act of defiance and it has been ruined"(I can only recommend her talks.. She(as the drag queen) I think was the person who helped massively in getting the irish to vote for gay marriage.. (video and transcript of her ted talk: dublin.sciencegallery.com/blog/2015/01/transcriptpantistedxdublintalkand here the Video that, I think, helped start the process in ireland: It has subtitles in 18 languages and its around 10 minutes, I CANT RECOMMEND IT ENOUGH. IT'S GREAT. WATCH IT. IT'S AN ORDER :3 those are just little things that wont be there for heteros.. And I haven't ever met someone who isnt hetero who has shown hate against people who are hetero BECAUSE they are hetero.. No, they show it against certain people, because those people try to legislate our rights away, some would love to outright murder, no exterminate us.. (like in chechnya where the head of state HAS STATED EXPLICITLY THAT HE WANTS TO MURDER EVERY GAY PERSON THERE.. that's not a joke. its not hyperbole, it has been proven.. that's real.. www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/04/anti-lgbt-violence-chechnya(In case anyone wants to help: Rainbow road provides safe houses in russia and support to all gay men who are able to flee chechnya www.rainbowrailroad.ca/) so.. yeah.. Sorry, when people, who know that there are humans who would LOVE to murder us for no fault of our own and are actually doing it right now to people of our community, react a bit iffy when people try to equivocate some verbal rude shit they got with a history of oppression.. (calling it heterophobia does exactly that) .. Yes, they are mean words and people should be polite.. But it is makes a difference whether a word is a general term, mean or whether it is backed by active tries of oppression worldwide and a sentiment that exists in culture and media since hundreds if not thousand years .. Whether its something that may happen in single instances without much effect or whether it's accompanied by other acts of disdain, disgust, ignorance and violence... (Like here where they act so inclusive but only give us scraps, showing they are unwilling to risk anything for us or give us anything other than some badly written scraps or a copy of the baseline of the prioritized straight male experience....) like.. please dont compare it because its just not the same.. 1)(I specify cis here because those people don't regard transwomen as such. (Just to avoid any misconceptions: I repeat their position, I don't share it. Women are women. Transwomen are women and it's incredible sad I have to even state this shit.)
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Post by caterpillar on May 11, 2017 12:32:30 GMT
also.. heterophobic? Idk, I see some people being a bit aggro towards people they call breeder- like cis-hets who think that having a child is the only thing a cis woman 1 should do and that the only valid form of family is the mystically elevated nuclear family with father mother child.. But that's not heterophobic because the strongest "anti breeder sentiment " I have seen is from the childfree subreddit-and I think most people there are hetero and just annoyed other people cant stop putting their noses up their reproductive systems.. The only time I've ever been called a breeder it was by a gay man who had fathered more than one child with his ex-wife. I'm pan, not hetero, but I'm a cis woman and all he knew about my sexuality was that I was married to a guy. For the record I did not and still do not have children and I have very strong feelings about not having kids, so I just had to laugh. Sure, I'm the 'breeder', says the guy with 2+ kids. The word is more misogynistic than anything else.
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 12:38:50 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason.
I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 11, 2017 13:01:50 GMT
Maybe we should find a gay person who has a personal bias against all their family members, friends and co-workers, and ask them what they call that phenomenon.
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Post by lauratsoni on May 11, 2017 13:02:09 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. i'm just speaking for myself but i don't think we need to call it anything. other than 'bias against straight people' i guess. giving it a word like 'heterophobia' or any other word can legitimise the view that sees it as an 'institution' or that straight people suffer from societal discrimination on the basis of being straight, and i think we all agree that that is not a thing.
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So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. So what is your point exactly?
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Post by Salty Drell on May 11, 2017 13:14:00 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. So what is your point exactly? Right...alot of words there but nothing was actually said?
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 11, 2017 13:16:49 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. So what is your point exactly? Okay, hold on. First we have to define "point".
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 13:35:41 GMT
It was? I was just wondering if she had a former abusive lover. Not her being abusive herself. Sorry. I misunderstood. I guess you haven't played DAI. Sera is a very controversial character. Not because of her sexuality, but because of how she relates to elves and things being "elfy," and this can carry over into a romance with an elf Inquisitor. I haven't played an elf, or romanced her, so I can't speak too knowledgeably about it. I do know that there are some negative dialogues with her if certain choices are taken. Some players think she is abusive, and that has been one of the major criticisms against her. So that's what I thought you were referring to, indirectly saying Sera was abusive. Sorry about that! As for your intended question, I don't know of any former lovers mentioned, abusive or otherwise. It's certainly not a part of her arc, as she has other issues unrelated to past partners. Oh I have, but she never seemed that way to me I guess. I've just never romanced her and wondered if I'd missed something.
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Post by Blue-Slates on May 11, 2017 13:37:38 GMT
So what is your point exactly? Right...alot of words there but nothing was actually said? Oh thank god,it's not just me having trouble parsing all that! I was feeling really dumb for a second.
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Post by Salty Drell on May 11, 2017 13:44:50 GMT
Right...alot of words there but nothing was actually said? Oh thank god,it's not just me having trouble parsing all that! I was feeling really dumb for a second. Don't you worry dear, you're certainly not dumb. :kiss:
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Post by Blue-Slates on May 11, 2017 13:54:16 GMT
Oh thank god,it's not just me having trouble parsing all that! I was feeling really dumb for a second. Don't you worry dear, you're certainly not dumb. :kiss:
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 14:12:25 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. Do you mean personal bias as in the following train of thought being "well, I wish to see more gay protagonists in my stories. I just stumbled upon a story about straight characters, but this high fantasy one with a protagonist who so happens to be gay has my full attention way more." OR, are we talking about personal bias as in gay people being mean to straight people for being straight? Because I see the former more than the latter. And in either case, does it really matter to you that we give it a label?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 14:19:44 GMT
We need to stop answering a question whose meaning we're not even sure of at this point. The OP can clarify if he wants to. We don't have to fall for every golden apple that Eris tosses into the thread.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 14:20:48 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. Do you mean personal bias as in the following train of thought being "well, I wish to see more gay protagonists in my stories. I just stumbled upon a story about straight characters, but this high fantasy one with a protagonist who so happens to be gay has my full attention way more." OR, are we talking about personal bias as in gay people being mean to straight people for being straight? Because I see the former more than the latter. And in either case, does it really matter to you that we give it a label? As a straight black guy I kinda scratch my head at this. So is anyone saying straight people are inferior to gays? You are making the racist comparison which doesn't really make any sense. Also considering that the vast majority of the population is straight are you really so fragile that your feelings get hurt if a gay person says something mean to you?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 14:23:52 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. I wouldnt worry about bias against straight people so much. You clearly arent one of them. I'm sorry that circumstances have pushed you so deep in the closet I know that feeling well but it really is ok to be yourself here.
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