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Post by Salty Drell on May 11, 2017 15:37:57 GMT
Do you mean personal bias as in the following train of thought being "well, I wish to see more gay protagonists in my stories. I just stumbled upon a story about straight characters, but this high fantasy one with a protagonist who so happens to be gay has my full attention way more." OR, are we talking about personal bias as in gay people being mean to straight people for being straight? Because I see the former more than the latter. And in either case, does it really matter to you that we give it a label? As a straight black guy I kinda scratch my head at this. So is anyone saying straight people are inferior to gays? You are making the racist comparison which doesn't really make any sense. Also considering that the vast majority of the population is straight are you really so fragile that your feelings get hurt if a gay person says something mean to you? This post is awesome.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 16:00:52 GMT
Sort of reminds me of Leliana and Marjolaine. Also Branka/Hespith. And Celene/Briala. BioWare, can we please stop this thing where the F/F relationships that don't involve the PC are abusive? It's really bad form. Even Juhani/Quatra is bad in that it leads Juhani to the dark side. I never realized all this before...come on, BioWare, just let the lesbians be great. (Also hi, I've been lurking in this thread for a while now and I figured it was finally time to jump into the fray.) |
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 16:14:59 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. i'm just speaking for myself but i don't think we need to call it anything. other than 'bias against straight people' i guess. giving it a word like 'heterophobia' or any other word can legitimise the view that sees it as an 'institution' or that straight people suffer from societal discrimination on the basis of being straight, and i think we all agree that that is not a thing. Sweet Christ on the cross, finally an answer. |
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 16:17:28 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. I wouldnt worry about bias against straight people so much. You clearly arent one of them. I'm sorry that circumstances have pushed you so deep in the closet I know that feeling well but it really is ok to be yourself here. Man someone should tell that to my browser history |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2017 16:17:44 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. Bigot. Bigot applies to anyone who is intolerant and/or hateful towards other people or groups. |
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 16:19:55 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. Do you mean personal bias as in the following train of thought being "well, I wish to see more gay protagonists in my stories. I just stumbled upon a story about straight characters, but this high fantasy one with a protagonist who so happens to be gay has my full attention way more." OR, are we talking about personal bias as in gay people being mean to straight people for being straight? Because I see the former more than the latter. And in either case, does it really matter to you that we give it a label? oh another legit answer, didn't see it. I mean bias in the sense of "Straight people aren't allowed to comment on romances" "Straight people should not have options in these games" etc.... I've seen comments such as these on both BSN prime and here, and I'm curious why calling it heterophobia is so damned controversial. As to why I want to give it a label, labels are nice, and calling it "personal bias against straight people" gets rather onerous. |
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 16:20:20 GMT
So what should we call personal bias against straight people? A person who thinks black people are mentally inferior to whites is called a racist for good reason, even though racism also refers to structures of power. Homophobia refers to societal practices that make life that much harder for LGBT people, but a homophobe is one who personally hates gay people for whatever reason. I think you all are getting caught up in the semantics and whether or not straight people are on the receiving end of discriminatory practices in life, but that's not my intent. I've never said that straight people are receiving discriminatory pressure from LGBT people in society. Bigot. Bigot applies to anyone who is intolerant and/or hateful towards other people or groups. but that's too broad, there's so many flavors of bigotry |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 16:28:01 GMT
Do you mean personal bias as in the following train of thought being "well, I wish to see more gay protagonists in my stories. I just stumbled upon a story about straight characters, but this high fantasy one with a protagonist who so happens to be gay has my full attention way more." OR, are we talking about personal bias as in gay people being mean to straight people for being straight? Because I see the former more than the latter. And in either case, does it really matter to you that we give it a label? oh another legit answer, didn't see it. I mean bias in the sense of "Straight people aren't allowed to comment on romances" "Straight people should not have options in these games" etc.... I've seen comments such as these on both BSN prime and here, and I'm curious why calling it heterophobia is so damned controversial. As to why I want to give it a label, labels are nice, and calling it "personal bias against straight people" gets rather onerous. So who exactly is preventing straight people from commenting on romances? Are you being physically blocked? Also do you truly believe comments here are going to impact any future games? The heterophobia is the equivalent of all lives matter. Its making an issue out of something that in no way impacts the majority while dismissing the legitimate claims of the minority that is affected by it. |
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Post by lauratsoni on May 11, 2017 16:29:49 GMT
Also Branka/Hespith. And Celene/Briala. BioWare, can we please stop this thing where the F/F relationships that don't involve the PC are abusive? It's really bad form. Even Juhani/Quatra is bad in that it leads Juhani to the dark side. I never realized all this before...come on, BioWare, just let the lesbians be great. (Also hi, I've been lurking in this thread for a while now and I figured it was finally time to jump into the fray.) hello  i'm deeply afraid of getting another f/f LI who has little personality outside of being nice, but i definitely don't mind getting a cute drama-less romance. or alternatively, to get a few cute, stable, non-abusive lesbian npc relationships. pls bioware. |
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 16:33:42 GMT
oh another legit answer, didn't see it. I mean bias in the sense of "Straight people aren't allowed to comment on romances" "Straight people should not have options in these games" etc.... I've seen comments such as these on both BSN prime and here, and I'm curious why calling it heterophobia is so damned controversial. As to why I want to give it a label, labels are nice, and calling it "personal bias against straight people" gets rather onerous. So who exactly is preventing straight people from commenting on romances? Are you being physically blocked? Also do you truly believe comments here are going to impact any future games? The heterophobia is the equivalent of all lives matter. Its making an issue out of something that in no way impacts the majority while dismissing the legitimate claims of the minority that is affected by it. When I talk about I am not referring to institutionalized discrimination against straight people, and I think that's the source of the problem. I'm not saying my voice is being actively silenced, ignored or anything if the sort, I have not said that is it has been. The anecdote I bring up is not an example of "the Gays" coming to get me, its nothing more than an example of a homosexual person attacking me on the basis of my identity as a straight person. I am not claiming I was traumatized by it, that it is in any way comparable to the real problems that LGBT people face everyday. What I've been doing is trying to figure out why calling it heterophobia when someone is attacked on the basis of their heterosexuality meets with such venom. I am not claiming that heterosexual people are the real ones being oppressed and maligned or anything of that sort. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 16:35:46 GMT
So who exactly is preventing straight people from commenting on romances? Are you being physically blocked? Also do you truly believe comments here are going to impact any future games? The heterophobia is the equivalent of all lives matter. Its making an issue out of something that in no way impacts the majority while dismissing the legitimate claims of the minority that is affected by it. When I talk about I am not referring to institutionalized discrimination against straight people, and I think that's the source of the problem. I'm not saying my voice is being actively silenced, ignored or anything if the sort, I have not said that is it has been. The anecdote I bring up is not an example of "the Gays" coming to get me, its nothing more than an example of a homosexual person attacking me on the basis of my identity as a straight person. I am not claiming I was traumatized by it, that it is in any way comparable to the real problems that LGBT people face everyday. What I've been doing is trying to figure out why calling it heterophobia when someone is attacked on the basis of their heterosexuality meets with such venom. I am not claiming that heterosexual people are the real ones being oppressed and maligned or anything of that sort. Ok so first tell me what has been said to make you think heteros have been attacked. I want to understand why you feel this way. |
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Post by caterpillar on May 11, 2017 16:41:39 GMT
Do you mean personal bias as in the following train of thought being "well, I wish to see more gay protagonists in my stories. I just stumbled upon a story about straight characters, but this high fantasy one with a protagonist who so happens to be gay has my full attention way more." OR, are we talking about personal bias as in gay people being mean to straight people for being straight? Because I see the former more than the latter. And in either case, does it really matter to you that we give it a label? oh another legit answer, didn't see it. I mean bias in the sense of "Straight people aren't allowed to comment on romances" "Straight people should not have options in these games" etc.... I've seen comments such as these on both BSN prime and here, and I'm curious why calling it heterophobia is so damned controversial. As to why I want to give it a label, labels are nice, and calling it "personal bias against straight people" gets rather onerous. I think most of those kinds of statements are meant to mirror the very common statements you'll see in our society in general, and in gaming communities specifically, telling gay people and other minorities that they should not comment or expect to have options in media/games. Switching it around to put the white, straight person into that position is meant to show how absurd of a position it is. And also allows for some venting of the frustration experienced from being told on daily basis that your opinion or even existence is not wanted or lesser than someone else's. |
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Post by Steelcan on May 11, 2017 16:55:11 GMT
oh another legit answer, didn't see it. I mean bias in the sense of "Straight people aren't allowed to comment on romances" "Straight people should not have options in these games" etc.... I've seen comments such as these on both BSN prime and here, and I'm curious why calling it heterophobia is so damned controversial. As to why I want to give it a label, labels are nice, and calling it "personal bias against straight people" gets rather onerous. I think most of those kinds of statements are meant to mirror the very common statements you'll see in our society in general, and in gaming communities specifically, telling gay people and other minorities that they should not comment or expect to have options in media/games. Switching it around to put the white, straight person into that position is meant to show how absurd of a position it is. And also allows for some venting of the frustration experienced from being told on daily basis that your opinion or even existence is not wanted or lesser than someone else's. So its all sarcasm? Want to sell me a bridge while you're at it |
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Post by Suaimhneas on May 11, 2017 17:05:32 GMT
At this point I have basically resorted to praying that the m/m improvements will be at least somewhat good. *sigh* I dunno where you're getting all the drell gifs... but please continue. |
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Post by leto on May 11, 2017 17:08:50 GMT
At this point I have basically resorted to praying that the m/m improvements will be at least somewhat good. *sigh* I dunno where you're getting all the drell gifs... but please continue. Beat me to it, I was just about to post the same thing. |
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Post by Salty Drell on May 11, 2017 17:08:56 GMT
At this point I have basically resorted to praying that the m/m improvements will be at least somewhat good. *sigh* I dunno where you're getting all the drell gifs... but please continue. There is a surprising amount of them. Let me just backflip outta here and get more.   |
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 17:12:29 GMT
We need to stop answering a question whose meaning we're not even sure of at this point. The OP can clarify if he wants to. We don't have to fall for every golden apple that Eris tosses into the thread. I was hoping this topic died yesterday, TBH. |
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 11, 2017 17:29:38 GMT
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Post by Cyonan on May 11, 2017 17:31:24 GMT
oh another legit answer, didn't see it. I mean bias in the sense of "Straight people aren't allowed to comment on romances" "Straight people should not have options in these games" etc.... I've seen comments such as these on both BSN prime and here, and I'm curious why calling it heterophobia is so damned controversial. As to why I want to give it a label, labels are nice, and calling it "personal bias against straight people" gets rather onerous. I think most of those kinds of statements are meant to mirror the very common statements you'll see in our society in general, and in gaming communities specifically, telling gay people and other minorities that they should not comment or expect to have options in media/games. Switching it around to put the white, straight person into that position is meant to show how absurd of a position it is. And also allows for some venting of the frustration experienced from being told on daily basis that your opinion or even existence is not wanted or lesser than someone else's. I think some people do that, but I also think that's kind of silly to do at times because I personally have never told a LGBT person that their opinion doesn't matter by sheer virtue of being a LGBT person. I'm already aware of how absurd that position is to take, so I don't take it. The problem I have is that when I do try to get a dialogue going and I feel like pointing out a few things I'm then met with a bunch of responses saying that I'm wrong, my opinion doesn't matter, and my experiences are in such a minority of cases that it just doesn't matter. In addition, most of the points I was trying to make were ignored in favour of picking apart this one thing I noted. That's the sort of thing that makes me think getting a dialogue going is a waste of my time, because having all of my points dismissed on the virtue of who I am isn't productive to having a discussion about something. Trying to explain how I work as a moderator doesn't feel all that useful when the response feels like some people think that I should just get rid of any homophobic comments but the ones making similar statements against straight people should be left alone because it's just them being tongue in cheek, being salty, or making a point. I get being upset and wanting to vent and have been cool with it happening in this thread since launch, but not all of it can be explained away by saying "They're just venting over it". Since the counter-argument frequently comes up I'll note that I'm not offended or bothered in any way when people act this way towards me. It's pretty much impossible to upset me and I hold no ill will to anybody on this forum. Just thought I'd throw this out. You may now return to your regularly scheduled wanting to bang everything =P |
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