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Post by wright1978 on May 11, 2017 20:54:53 GMT
I'm pretty sure Cyonan meant Cora's romance should cater to straight males, not everything about Cora. And so it should. Just as a gay romance should cater to gay players, and probably not have stuff about a duty to procreate in it (which is separate from the desire to want a family/children in your gay relationship). But let's be real here. Most of the criticism levied against Cora was about her appearance, her hair in particular, and how she looked like a lesbian. So, without mentioning appearance at all, how would the romance itself cater to straight men? I'm not a straight man, so I'm happy to be educated on this front on what they think is ideal. Well i would argue straight men are hardly a uniform entity in what they want. I've always been attracted to the more confident/sexual/forward (Viconia, Morrigan, Issy, Miranda Peebee) etc rather than the privatedly sweet girly(aerie, Merrill, softened lely, Tali, Josie, Cass, Cora). The only exception being hardened Lely.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 11, 2017 20:55:23 GMT
@berret I really loved my Bull, he's my teddy bear but I totally agree how awful is this promiscuous bi trope and my face is tiiiiiiiiiiiiiired bioware. Also, it irks me the fact that Adoribull ending is happier than my ending, I mean wtf Nightscrawl I loveeeeeeeeeeeee Fenris, tsundere types are delicious (I'm trying to forget that line "because I'm a man?" tho)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 20:57:01 GMT
For me, I like playing a woman because in my younger days it was nearly impossible in video games. I'm also a writer, so I like writing characters that match each other, so if I make my PC a certain way, I then look at her options, and whoever fits is who I go for. It's backfired a few times. My PC sometimes takes over and I find her acting in a way less suited to my original choice. Sort of like characters in a story. They sometimes start writing themselves. That's interesting. I often choose men in the character creator because I kind of like to go as far from my own self as possible; I'm already a woman in real life, so I don't really feel the need to replicate that. However, when I started roleplaying on computer (relatively late, at 16 or 17), the first two games I picked up where Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines and some generic Hack&Slash thing with a character creator, both of which allowed me to play women, so I guess I never had a formative experience of it being denied to me in the realm of computer RPGs. Whether guys or girls, I tend to roleplay like I am writing a character, too, though. I like to create a consistent personality that doesn't have too many "OOC" moments. I think that's why I'm also always first in line to whine and moan about Ryder's personality choices because I think the only really consistently different playthroughs are "all left side" and "all right side" (obviously you could still play a Ryder whose a professional to the leadership and emotional/jokey with their team, but because they are not tonally that different it doesn't quite pack the same punch as playing a 90% aggressive Hawke who jokes around with Varric and goes good-mushy on their LI, or a Renegon Shepard who puts the fear of God into the outside world while always giving their crew leeway). Romance-wise, I usually decide on the sexuality of the character I want to roleplay before I start out, just like I decide beforehand what personality and opinions they will have (for example in DA:I, do they think they are really chosen by Andraste or not?). I mean, most of the time that's how it works, anyway. My Sara was supposed to be interested in men, but then Vetra came along. That's awesome! I know what you mean. I felt more flexible with my Warden, Hawke, Shepard and even my Inquisitor, but with Sara, not only is she exactly like me in real life, trying to make her less like me still results in her sounding like me on my bad days lol and I know what you mean with Vetra. It happened in DAI. I was set on romancing Cullen with a certain Inquisitor I made, then when she met Iron Bull, I just knew he was meant for her. Same with Josie in another playthrough.
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Post by leto on May 11, 2017 20:57:11 GMT
Debatable. Anyway, I'm gay and tired and this is all that I will ever be if people like the ME:A team stay in charge of making gay romances (Although the Dragon Age team isn't that much better tbh, but at least they kinda try...kinda, attempts are made) I hope that the DA team at least goes away from the promiscuous bi trope because Bull's romance was just horrible. Then I checked in Gaider's recent work in the new Balder's gate enhanced and, well the male romances available to gay men are still bad. Promiscuous evil half Orc who you kill in the end if you romance in the epilogue. So yeah I don't trust him writing M\M romances either.Really at this moment I like SWTOR and Betheda's (even if they are badly written, but like I mentioned before, everyone gets equal content, there's no BS tropes either) and indie games to write M\M romances. Mostly Indie games. Setting aside how polarizing Dorian seems to be for gay guys, what did you think of Fenris's romance? He is utterly devoted to Hawke. Am I allowed to crow to the heavens about how much I liked Fenris' friendship romance? I had a few odd bits I was iffy about but it is my favourite out of the DA games.
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Post by kestrel on May 11, 2017 20:58:32 GMT
I also play exclusively as a woman because so much of the gaming industry STILL doesn't allow it. I look at critically lauded games like The Witcher series, where you get to play as a female character very, very briefly and it still makes me sad to see that representation is still so far from ideal, so if I'm given the choice, I'll never play as a male PC. I'm glad more companies are embracing the idea of choice, but it still feels like the idea of a female protagonist is one that a lot of people turn their noses up at, or as in the case of many major games, female protags don't get love interests or romantic subplots.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 21:00:16 GMT
@berret I really loved my Bull, he's my teddy bear but I totally agree how awful is this promiscuous bi trope and my face is tiiiiiiiiiiiiiired bioware. Also, it irks me the fact that Adoribull ending is happier than my ending, I mean wtfNightscrawl I loveeeeeeeeeeeee Fenris, tsundere types are delicious (I'm trying to forget that line "because I'm a man?" tho) not just the ending, they have more and better content than inq/bull in trespasser! grrrr! in their usual fashion, bioware overcompensated and took a step back from ambiguousness of their relationship :/ well bioware, NOW is the perfect time to overcompensate in your usual fashion and give us proper m/m content for mea!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 21:00:39 GMT
Debatable. Anyway, I'm gay and my face is* tired and this is all that I will ever be if people like the ME:A team stay in charge of making gay romances (Although the Dragon Age team isn't that much better tbh, but at least they kinda try...kinda, attempts are made) I hope that the DA team at least goes away from the promiscuous bi trope because Bull's romance was just horrible. Then I checked in Gaider's recent work in the new Balder's gate enhanced and, well the male romances available to gay men are still bad. Promiscuous evil half Orc who you kill in the end if you romance in the epilogue. So yeah I don't trust him writing M\M romances either. Really at this moment I like SWTOR and Betheda's (even if they are badly written, but like I mentioned before, everyone gets equal content, there's no BS tropes either) and indie games to write M\M romances. Mostly Indie games. gaider didn't write any of the new characters in enhanced editions of baldurs gate. he joined beamdog (the company that didi enhanced editions) to work on a completely new IP. *corrected Well that's better, I'm thinking of Dragonspear then. Dorn is still another bad romance, I should start making a list! Not like I still trust Gaider tbh. As for Fenris' romance (I have no clue how to multiquote) It's been years since I played DA2 so I can't really comment since my memory is very fuzzy with DA2 in general. I just remember romancing Anders a lot and figuring out ways to friendship romance Fenris since I kept siding with the mages. I remember finding them both average though?
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 11, 2017 21:03:41 GMT
@berret I really loved my Bull, he's my teddy bear but I totally agree how awful is this promiscuous bi trope and my face is tiiiiiiiiiiiiiired bioware. Also, it irks me the fact that Adoribull ending is happier than my ending, I mean wtf Nightscrawl I loveeeeeeeeeeeee Fenris, tsundere types are delicious (I'm trying to forget that line "because I'm a man?" tho) That is a writing choice that will continue to confuse me for a while still. I have a feeling Gaider shipped it pretty hard, although he didn't quite say that back when he was asked about it on his tumblr. But from his answer, I certainly I think the relationship interested him more than that between either of them and the Inquisitor, at least from a writing perspective. Because I'm spiteful and petty, I just never let them be in the same party together if I romance someone else, which keeps their romance from triggering. But actually, I just pretend to be romancing Varric most of the time anyway ( ) and thus the game keeps them free for me until the end, which also means no Adoribull.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 21:04:18 GMT
@berret I really loved my Bull, he's my teddy bear but I totally agree how awful is this promiscuous bi trope and my face is tiiiiiiiiiiiiiired bioware. Also, it irks me the fact that Adoribull ending is happier than my ending, I mean wtf Nightscrawl I loveeeeeeeeeeeee Fenris, tsundere types are delicious (I'm trying to forget that line "because I'm a man?" tho) I don't really know what to think about that. I wasn't crazy about the option on my one male Hawke play where I romanced him. The fem version has Hawke say something about his marks being painful (since, ya know, they just had sex and touched a bunch). DG also said that he wrote Fenris with a male Hawke in mind. But again, I don't really know what to think about that particular line. I know this wasn't to me, but as far as Dorian/Bull goes, and DG's treatment of that, one factor is the great enjoyment that both he and Patrick Weekes got out of writing the pairing together, because they're friends. This is reflective not only in outside comments they've made, but in how it plays out in the game itself.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 21:06:15 GMT
gaider didn't write any of the new characters in enhanced editions of baldurs gate. he joined beamdog (the company that didi enhanced editions) to work on a completely new IP. *corrected Well that's better, I'm thinking of Dragonspear then. Dorn is still another bad romance, I should start making a list! Not like I still trust Gaider tbh. As for Fenris' romance (I have no clue how to multiquote) It's been years since I played DA2 so I can't really comment since my memory is very fuzzy with DA2 in general. I just remember romancing Anders a lot and figuring out ways to friendship romance Fenris since I kept siding with the mages. I remember finding them both average though? dragonspear had that gnome if i remember correctly. glint i think. the m/m romances and characters in general that beamdog did are way over the top and stereotypical. dorn has a romance expansion made, it adds a bit of depth to him but yeah, if you're not evil... :/ i hope with gaider their new IP could be a solid entry on the market but it remains to be seen if there will be romances at all.
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Post by jjdxb on May 11, 2017 21:06:21 GMT
Yeah, I couldn't romance either Dorian or Bull again once I saw Adoribull happen in game. It just doesn't feel right when they're both happier with each other.
Cassandra is bae. And Vivienne is the bitch queen, but damn does she know it. How I wish I could have romanced her.
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Post by Panda on May 11, 2017 21:07:04 GMT
I seem to be odd bird in that, that I consider all LI's and their romances as options for me so this talk should be designed for is bit weird to me. Should I play what is designed for me then and would that mean much beyond some stereotypes? I'd just like to see some good variable romances personally to choose from. I'm not necessarily saying that certain romances like m/m romances or m/f shouldn't be designed thinking of gay men and straight men, but.. at least don't just make cliched and bad romances cause of it? ^^; I'll be an odd bird with you, I'm equally comfortable playing characters of any gender and choose LIs based on the story and personality I'm trying to develop. I mean, it helps if I personally find something attractive about them, physically or in their personality, but that is not even required in the end if their romance will enhance my story. I mean, the LI might not be someone I would ever personally want to be romantically involved with, but I might find it interesting to roll a character who would be into exactly what that LI has to offer. I do that as well, pretty much go with relationship and try to make best out of those no matter if it's m/f, m/m, f/m or f/f I do have preferences since if I dislike the LI character then I can't really like relationship either that well, but I play with both genders and different sexualities just fine
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 21:07:05 GMT
@berret, to multi-quote, hit the cog wheel on the top-right of the post you want and hit "select post." Do this with all the posts you want. When you're done, hit "more reply options" in the quick reply box, which will take you to the full reply page where your selected quotes will be.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 21:07:16 GMT
Yeah, I couldn't romance either Dorian or Bull again once I saw Adoribull happen in game. It just doesn't feel right when they're both happier with each other. I felt that way with Garrus and Tali, and it was made worse when she continued to pine for him despite knowing I was romancing him.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 21:11:42 GMT
Yeah, I couldn't romance either Dorian or Bull again once I saw Adoribull happen in game. It just doesn't feel right when they're both happier with each other. Cassandra is bae. And Vivienne is the bitch queen, but damn does she know it. How I wish I could have romanced her. As a Dorian-mancer, I don't look at it that way for my own romance and am very happy with how it all plays out in the game. But I do have some issues with the pairing, which I'm not going to get into here for personal reasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 21:13:36 GMT
On Bull, he was great to have around not to mention eye candy. But the romance just made me roll my eyes. His romance basically felt like he was under contract. Not to mention how he loved talking about how much he loves to bangs the ladies. He also only hits on the Inquisitor when he's drunk while hitting on everyone else when he's sober. Talk about making the romance feel special Bull. Let's not mention that epilogue. I do agree, they spend too much resources on making Adoribull instead of working on both Dorian's and Bull's romance with the Inquisitor. These two guys are the only options for a gay Inquisitor yet they still took resources away. I would have been happy with DAI's options if Cullen and Blackwall were also a Bi option. Course in Cullen's case his romance was cut BECAUSE OF COURSE IT WAS. Really the only Bioware romances that I have liked have been ME3's Kaiden and Cortez and Jade Empire's Sky. Oh Koth and Theron too. I'm just a bitter and salty gay and tired of all this BS. If I were straight then I would not be given scraps and told that I should be thankful that I was given anything at all and I'll have the writers full attention. I'm going back to my Star Wars husband.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 11, 2017 21:14:03 GMT
I also play exclusively as a woman because so much of the gaming industry STILL doesn't allow it. I look at critically lauded games like The Witcher series, where you get to play as a female character very, very briefly and it still makes me sad to see that representation is still so far from ideal, so if I'm given the choice, I'll never play as a male PC. I'm glad more companies are embracing the idea of choice, but it still feels like the idea of a female protagonist is one that a lot of people turn their noses up at, or as in the case of many major games, female protags don't get love interests or romantic subplots. I've spent my entire life playing as females because I looooooooooove female characters, little Nick is playing Street Fighter? you can bet I'm choosing Chun-Li, little Nick is playing Tekken? Michelle Chang, and so goes on Tomb Raider, BloodRayne, Bullet Witch, Bayonetta, Sonya Blade *__* Part of me (selfish maybe)dont want the Ryders for a sequel (I hope this is not the end of ME) cause I want Sara/Vetra to be my canon if they dont give me Jaal, and I know my gay penis is gonna be tempted to change that canon if they give me a hot squadmate in MEA2, that's why I love DA and their freedom when it comes to a different protagonist every game. I know there are a lot of you who dont want the Ryders to go, I'm sorry in advance. PS. talking about my little self in third person it's super weird.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 21:14:40 GMT
That is a writing choice that will continue to confuse me for a while still. I have a feeling Gaider shipped it pretty hard, although he didn't quite say that back when he was asked about it on his tumblr. But from his answer, I certainly I think the relationship interested him more than that between either of them and the Inquisitor, at least from a writing perspective. Because I'm spiteful and petty, I just never let them be in the same party together if I romance someone else, which keeps their romance from triggering. But actually, I just pretend to be romancing Varric most of the time anyway ( ) and thus the game keeps them free for me until the end, which also means no Adoribull. i always romance one of them so they are allowed in the party together but if i weren't', they probably wouldn't be. and that's solely because of the epilogue and cheesy banters in trespasser. i'm salty at how more open and affectionate they are about each other -.- I don't really know what to think about that. I wasn't crazy about the option on my one male Hawke play where I romanced him. The fem version has Hawke say something about his marks being painful (since, ya know, they just had sex and touched a bunch). DG also said that he wrote Fenris with a male Hawke in mind. But again, I don't really know what to think about that particular line. I know this wasn't to me, but as far as Dorian/Bull goes, and DG's treatment of that, one factor is the great enjoyment that both he and Patrick Weekes got out of writing the pairing together, because they're friends. This is reflective not only in outside comments they've made, but in how it plays out in the game itself. didn't gaider also said their relationship is not necessarily healthy? which was before trespasser and hordes of fans triggered about abuse, bottom shaming and such? @berret , to multi-quote, hit the cog wheel on the top-right of the post you want and hit "select post." Do this with all the posts you want. When you're done, hit "more reply options" in the quick reply box, which will take you to the full reply page where your selected quotes will be. THANK YOU. i can't believe you posted this 10 seconds after i started looking for this very option.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 21:16:30 GMT
@berret , to multi-quote, hit the cog wheel on the top-right of the post you want and hit "select post." Do this with all the posts you want. When you're done, hit "more reply options" in the quick reply box, which will take you to the full reply page where your selected quotes will be. THANK YOU LOTS.
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Post by Aurora on May 11, 2017 21:17:58 GMT
Debatable. Anyway, I'm gay and tired and this is all that I will ever be if people like the ME:A team stay in charge of making gay romances (Although the Dragon Age team isn't that much better tbh, but at least they kinda try...kinda, attempts are made) I hope that the DA team at least goes away from the promiscuous bi trope because Bull's romance was just horrible. Then I checked in Gaider's recent work in the new Balder's gate enhanced and, well the male romances available to gay men are still bad. Promiscuous evil half Orc who you kill in the end if you romance in the epilogue. So yeah I don't trust him writing M\M romances either.Really at this moment I like SWTOR and Betheda's (even if they are badly written, but like I mentioned before, everyone gets equal content, there's no BS tropes either) and indie games to write M\M romances. Mostly Indie games. Setting aside how polarizing Dorian seems to be for gay guys, what did you think of Fenris's romance? He is utterly devoted to Hawke. I love Fenris, just look at my avatar.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 21:20:52 GMT
Setting aside how polarizing Dorian seems to be for gay guys, what did you think of Fenris's romance? He is utterly devoted to Hawke. I love Fenris, just look at my avatar.
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Post by Pain Delta on May 11, 2017 21:21:21 GMT
I always found it weird to lament that your romance can end up with someone else if you don't romance them, no? Like I think Peebee and Jaal flirting and getting together is really cute despite Peebee being my main romance tbh. Sera and Dagna too!
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 21:24:36 GMT
I always found it weird to lament that your romance can end up with someone else if you don't romance them, no? Like I think Peebee and Jaal flirting and getting together is really cute despite Peebee being my main romance tbh. Sera and Dagna too! well, normaly i would agree. but when BOTH of your romance options seem to be much better of with eachother than with you it stings,what else can i say?
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 11, 2017 21:25:25 GMT
Yeah, I couldn't romance either Dorian or Bull again once I saw Adoribull happen in game. It just doesn't feel right when they're both happier with each other. I felt that way with Garrus and Tali, and it was made worse when she continued to pine for him despite knowing I was romancing him. As far as on-ship romances this game go, I think the Jaal/Peebee attraction was realistic enough without really feeling like it was supposed to be canon over a player romance. Peebee always likes to play with new toys and Jaal presents himself as pretty much ready to jump on anyone who is willing as long as he's not committed to a relationship, considering he hits on every lady on the ship who has an interest in men (but no homo tho, of course). However, I doubt Peebee would survive in the typical cloying angara family setting for a week and Jaal seems to be into it, so it probably doesn't have much of a future. It's cute enough for what it is. I get the whole argument that it's more realistic for the romanceable characters also to fall for each other, but I think strict realism has left the station a few explicitly marked heart-shaped dialogue options ago. Yes, sure, it is realistic that two squad mates might have a happier relationship together than each of them with the player character, but that doesn't mean it necessarily adds to the player's experience if they notice that through repeated playthroughs. It's just kind of... odd, like I'm doing something the developers secretly disapprove of. Sort of like I sometimes felt in the OT that the game was actively judging me for not having romanced Liara.
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