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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 22:38:45 GMT
I had that exact thought when I was discussing this with some friends. I actually had the idea that the game try to keep track of who your two favourite squadmates(or add in non squaddie LI) are by a few different metrics. and then make you choose which one dies. That would really be interesting, and I kind of like the idea. It wouldn't be easy of course, but neither was the Warden/Hawke choice or the recent Vette/Torian that we got.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 22:39:09 GMT
I don't see this happening because I don't see them bringing back all of those people. Besides, it will be skewed either way, as some LIs can't be present. Blackwall is dead in some scenarios, Iron Bull is dead, Cassandra can be divine, they can't use Solas (he has higher value in DA4 than other LIs) in that same way because of Big Plot Reasons, some people don't have a romance, and so on. What about Inquisitor vs Warden? so long warden! :whistles off merrily: i wonder if they would ever bring warden back, the voice is kind of a problem, face can be tweaked in-game the same like the hawke's was. i also suspect most people would choose warden, dao seems to be held in high regard (unfairly imo)
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 22:39:48 GMT
I don't see this happening because I don't see them bringing back all of those people. Besides, it will be skewed either way, as some LIs can't be present. Blackwall is dead in some scenarios, Iron Bull is dead, Cassandra can be divine, they can't use Solas (he has higher value in DA4 than other LIs) in that same way because of Big Plot Reasons, some people don't have a romance, and so on. What about Inquisitor vs Warden? They're not going to have the Warden depicted in the game because they could be dead. That is final word from Mike Laidlaw, who has said it several times. Even so, to answer your question, not a problem at all for me. Bye Warden. My Inquisitor is my favorite character. Now... If it came down to my Inquisitor making the choice, he would sacrifice himself to save pretty much anyone. He was prepared to die sealing the Breach; it's his mentality. If my Inquisitor had to sacrifice Dorian to save the world, he would do that too; this is also his mentality, and I even wrote a fanfic about it. He would be devastated and broken, but he would do it. (This is assuming I didn't have some other choice.)
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 11, 2017 22:41:09 GMT
Choosing between Loghain and Hawke was one of the most emotionally difficult choices I ever made in these games (intellectually, I think A House Divided from ME2 still takes the cake). I really liked Loghain by the end of my DA:O playthrough and the Wardens needed a leader, but the other one, well, he was my Hawke. I'm also horribly biased towards Varric and the scene where you have to look at him and confess he's dead is just heart-wrenching. And then you find that "imaginary chapter" Varric wrote in the Fade in Trespasser...
In short, it was terrible and I want DA to do that to me more often.
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Post by Dirk on May 11, 2017 22:41:11 GMT
Choosing between Inq and his LI is very easy for me. I don't feel very attached to Inq or the warden either. My warden is dead in all playthroughs and I am content if Inq is dead. On the other hands, I really like Dorian and Iron Bull. So yeah my Inq will sacrifice himself to protect his LI every time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2017 22:41:35 GMT
I hate the mandatory lose/lose choices like that. I'd prefer for there to be a way to save both if you work hard and make the right choices, like the Suicide Mission or the Geth/Quarian Peace.
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Post by Cyonan on May 11, 2017 22:41:55 GMT
What about Inquisitor vs Warden? so long warden! :whistles off merrily: i wonder if they would ever bring warden back, the voice is kind of a problem, face can be tweaked in-game the same like the hawke's was. i also suspect most people would choose warden, dao seems to be held in high regard (unfairly imo) I think out of all the protagonists the one I'd be most attached to is actually sarcastic Hawke, because that is best Hawke. After that between the other two, I probably would have to kill off the Warden. I don't know as I would say that DA:O is unfairly held in high regard, but I would say that I think DA:I gets a lot of hate it doesn't deserve.
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Post by Suaimhneas on May 11, 2017 22:43:19 GMT
I couldn't care less about Stroud or the Grey Wardens... Hawke is me! I'm too selfish to kill me.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 11, 2017 22:45:37 GMT
That choice alone would make me romance Solas just to be able to kill that egghead. Point being, it wouldn't work out evenly in a situation like that because Solas is kind of a whole separate thing from just being a LI. And as has been pointed out, others can also be dead or otherwise not in a position to be relevant in a choice like that. And it was a dumb thing to do in DAI anyway. I like choice/consequence, but that was just ultimately a WTF why is this even thing to me. It definitely was. These are strangers to the Inquisitor, so it seems highly likely that the player is going to base their choice on their own emotion, rather than Inquisitor roleplay. I honestly hope they never have a choice like that again.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2017 22:45:50 GMT
What about Inquisitor vs Warden? so long warden! :whistles off merrily: i wonder if they would ever bring warden back, the voice is kind of a problem, face can be tweaked in-game the same like the hawke's was. i also suspect most people would choose warden, dao seems to be held in high regard (unfairly imo) They could always have it where the Warden got wounded and is no longer able to speak. Though most likely they would just give them a canon voice since as they showed with Hawke they don't care about your canon, only their own.
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Post by Cyonan on May 11, 2017 22:45:52 GMT
I hate the mandatory lose/lose choices like that. I'd prefer for there to be a way to save both if you work hard and make the right choices, like the Suicide Mission or the Geth/Quarian Peace. I'm actually kind of the opposite in that I don't really like it coming down to "You can make choices but these are the right choices to get the best outcome". I'm not strictly speaking always for a lose/lose scenario(except in the suicide mission, I think it should have been impossible to keep absolutely everybody alive) but I'm more so for scenarios where there isn't a clear superior route. At least when it comes to major choices. I liked Legion's loyalty mission before ME3 reduced it to a number. It basically asked "Would you rather effectively brainwash the heretics to your side or kill them?".
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Post by cespar on May 11, 2017 22:46:32 GMT
DA4 should make you choose between the Inquisitor and whoever the Inquisitor's LI was in your playthrough, tbh. Good luck with that for those who romanced Solas. I'll be waiting with my popcorn in hand as the ladies of Solas turn these forums upside down. But I just want to know what's going to happen between my beloved Divine Cassandra and Inquisitor Cadash.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 22:47:27 GMT
in any case, i'm ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN bioware will find a way to make us feel the agony of choice. first they force a lovable character on us and 20 hours of gameplay later you suddenly get
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2017 22:48:19 GMT
I hate the mandatory lose/lose choices like that. I'd prefer for there to be a way to save both if you work hard and make the right choices, like the Suicide Mission or the Geth/Quarian Peace. I'm actually kind of the opposite in that I don't really like it coming down to "You can make choices but these are the right choices to get the best outcome". I'm not strictly speaking always for a lose/lose scenario(except in the suicide mission, I think it should have been impossible to keep absolutely everybody alive) but I'm more so for scenarios where there isn't a clear superior route. At least when it comes to major choices. I liked Legion's loyalty mission before ME3 reduced it to a number. It basically asked "Would you rather effectively brainwash the heretics to your side or kill them?". I don't think there should be a right or wrong choice persay, but more if you've done enough you get new options. That's why I used the Geth/Quarian Peace thing as an example because other than having Tali and Legion alive, you just had to amass enough points to get that as an option but you could do a certain number of things differently yet still get that.
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Post by farferello on May 11, 2017 22:48:24 GMT
On Bull, he was great to have around not to mention eye candy. But the romance just made me roll my eyes. His romance basically felt like he was under contract. Not to mention how he loved talking about how much he loves to bangs the ladies. He also only hits on the Inquisitor when he's drunk while hitting on everyone else when he's sober. Talk about making the romance feel special Bull. Let's not mention that epilogue. I do agree, they spend too much resources on making Adoribull instead of working on both Dorian's and Bull's romance with the Inquisitor. These two guys are the only options for a gay Inquisitor yet they still took resources away. I would have been happy with DAI's options if Cullen and Blackwall were also a Bi option. Course in Cullen's case his romance was cut BECAUSE OF COURSE IT WAS. Really the only Bioware romances that I have liked have been ME3's Kaiden and Cortez and Jade Empire's Sky. Oh Koth and Theron too. I'm just a bitter and salty gay and tired of all this BS. If I were straight then I would not be given scraps and told that I should be thankful that I was given anything at all and I'll have the writers full attention. I'm going back to my Star Wars husband. Catching up with the thread but agree with all of that, forever salty about Blackwall at least. (Though that aside, I'm happy to find another person who has Koth as their game husband. XD)
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 11, 2017 22:50:01 GMT
I hate the mandatory lose/lose choices like that. I'd prefer for there to be a way to save both if you work hard and make the right choices, like the Suicide Mission or the Geth/Quarian Peace. I'm actually kind of the opposite in that I don't really like it coming down to "You can make choices but these are the right choices to get the best outcome". I'm not strictly speaking always for a lose/lose scenario(except in the suicide mission, I think it should have been impossible to keep absolutely everybody alive) but I'm more so for scenarios where there isn't a clear superior route. At least when it comes to major choices. I liked Legion's loyalty mission before ME3 reduced it to a number. It basically asked "Would you rather effectively brainwash the heretics to your side or kill them?". In terms of choices, I want more like DA:O's Orzammar ruler choice where the conventional choice that seems the nicest isn't necessarily the best choice for the longterm. In general, the choices should fit the story. If the quest calls for a choice where no matter what, you lose out on something, then that's what they gotta go with. If the quest calls for a twist where the seemingly "right" choice is actually the worse choice, then that's what they should go with.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 22:50:29 GMT
Choosing between Loghain and Hawke was one of the most emotionally difficult choices I ever made in these games (intellectually, I think A House Divided from ME2 still takes the cake). I really liked Loghain by the end of my DA:O playthrough and the Wardens needed a leader, but the other one, well, he was my Hawke. I'm also horribly biased towards Varric and the scene where you have to look at him and confess he's dead is just heart-wrenching. And then you find that "imaginary chapter" Varric wrote in the Fade in Trespasser... In short, it was terrible and I want DA to do that to me more often. i still remember smiling to myself when arranging dragon keep and choosing loghain for warden... aaah what i fool i was :/
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 22:52:01 GMT
Loghain is always my Warden. Always. I don't mind sacrificing him though. He wanted that with the AD and my Warden stopped him, so this time he died doing something that made him feel worthy.
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Post by caladrius on May 11, 2017 22:53:02 GMT
Choosing between Inq and his LI is very easy for me. I don't feel very attached to Inq or the warden either. My warden is dead in all playthroughs and I am content if Inq is dead. On the other hands, I really like Dorian and Iron Bull. So yeah my Inq will sacrifice himself to protect his LI every time. The only Bioware PC that I feel strongly attached to is Hawke. This is how I feel about the Inquisitor. I don't really care if he dies, so whatever. lol I would easily save Dorian. He has more narrative potential going forward, anyway. He could get a cool upgrade to Archon or something, but DA protags are basically worthless after their one game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 11, 2017 22:53:23 GMT
The Grey Warden vs Hawke choice while I hate the concept was easy for me since it is always Stroud as the Warden, since Alistair is usually king and Loghain dies during the Landsmeet.
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Post by fialka on May 11, 2017 22:57:16 GMT
Eh... I don't care really. If I play a female PC and find only a female LI that fits perfectly with my PC and I myself like her a lot, I'll romance her. Being straight irl doesn't affect my choices. Josie is one of my fav DAI romances and she suits my Inquisitor as how I chose to portray her. Just using this as a jumping off point. I find it interesting to see what different people do for their choices in romance as relates to their character gender, which in turn relates to their real gender. I'm a straight woman. I like men and want to romance them in games. The gender of my character doesn't matter. I discovered with my male Inquisitor that it's easier for me to roleplay as a guy, because I'm more likely to do a self-insert as a female character. (Plus, it's nice to look at my own character and think he's hot.) So if I have male characters from this point on, I'll be doing the bi or gay male romances (if I like the person). It was a roundabout way for me to come to this point, since my canon Warden and Hawke are both women, which I am considering changing at some point, if I can play through the games again. I'm a straight woman and actually feel that playing a woman is more important than playing my real life sexuality... Now, I didn't get into games until much later in life than many of you likely did, but I did start by playing RPGs with female protagonists - kind of by accident, actually. I was looking for something story-driven, and ended up trying out Morrowind because it was what my computer at the time could handle, I'd read it had a good story, and the other games I looked at only had the option to play a male character so I went with that one. And it was great! Because while I didn't grow up playing games, I did grow up not liking a lot of things made 'for girls' because I couldn't relate (I was never a 'tomboy' in the classic sense - I like pretty clothes and loathe sports, for starters...) but found most books/movies made 'for boys' which had the subject mater I was interested in (think science, horror, adventures, fantasy that wasn't all about princesses and such) even less interesting because the girl characters either weren't there at all, or were mostly only present to give the boy someone to save or fall in love with. I wanted the girl to do the saving and discovering and adventuring (and falling in love)! Those story where that happened (like the Labyrinth, for example) were something I treasured a lot. So it was awesome to get to play games with a female hero who got to do that. And frustrating to learn those were this rare thing, and I had to do research to figure out if it was even included. Because the female option didn't appear in the marketing or sometimes even the product description. I've since branched out and will play games with a male only protagonist but they have to really grab my attention some other way - story, setting, and so on. But I'll never play a male character given a choice. Even when I say I will I end up loving my female protagonists too much to want to play anything but different versions of her... Like I was determined to do a Scott playthrough - but it's likely not going to happen! As for game romances, being straight in real life, I'm pretty much only interested in male LIs. But I'd romance a female character with a female protagonist (if I liked her enough and she were available as a lesbian option - truth be told it hasn't happened yet) before playing a male character to romance anyone - and if I did play a male character he'd be gay, because I'm just beyond uninterested in rolling a dude to romance a girl. I find the idea super unappealing, where a same sex romance of whichever gender would be alright - not my preference, and I wouldn't feel as invested in it as a romance for a straight female, but I'd likely enjoy if for the story. Reflecting on it, maybe it's exactly because while growing up I read so may books and watched so many movies where the hero was some dude who got his romance with a pretty girl and that was like the end prize or whatever. Not to say I don't still enjoy those stories - but when I'm playing a game, were I get to choose my own adventure, so to speak, that's the last plot I have an interest in making happen.
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Post by uirebhiril on May 11, 2017 22:57:47 GMT
And it was a dumb thing to do in DAI anyway. I like choice/consequence, but that was just ultimately a WTF why is this even thing to me. It definitely was. These are strangers to the Inquisitor, so it seems highly likely that the player is going to base their choice on their own emotion, rather than Inquisitor roleplay. I honestly hope they never have a choice like that again. Yeah, that was my main issue with it. It pulled me out of the story, and realistically, why do I GAF about Stroud next to a character I played? Wardens need a leader? My Inquisitor was having a bad Warden day at that point and probably couldn't give two F's about that after what was going on. Meanwhile Hawke had dealt with Corypheus, so...? The moment was just lost on me as an emotional story crisis. If they do something like it in the future, I hope it has a better setup to catch more than just the people who had two characters to honestly care about.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 22:57:53 GMT
so long warden! :whistles off merrily: i wonder if they would ever bring warden back, the voice is kind of a problem, face can be tweaked in-game the same like the hawke's was. i also suspect most people would choose warden, dao seems to be held in high regard (unfairly imo) I think out of all the protagonists the one I'd be most attached to is actually sarcastic Hawke, because that is best Hawke. After that between the other two, I probably would have to kill off the Warden. I don't know as I would say that DA:O is unfairly held in high regard, but I would say that I think DA:I gets a lot of hate it doesn't deserve. meh, i don't care much for dao or warden either way, but i agree sarcastic hawke is the best hawke. the line about chantry owing her an apology because fade looks nothing like makers bossom still gets me every time. inky is not that funny but i love my inkies more than hawkes actually. and of course, when i say unfairly i mean that mostly in comparison to dai. but it is just my opinion.
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Post by MrSlothy on May 11, 2017 23:02:10 GMT
Loghain is always my Warden. Always. I don't mind sacrificing him though. He wanted that with the AD and my Warden stopped him, so this time he died doing something that made him feel worthy. normally i would agree, he had a rich life, and did much, it's okay to die a hero. BUT that line from flemeth to hawke from da2 (when on the edge of the abyss let go, only then you learn to fly- something cryptic like that) is really nagging at me. what if hawke is meant to stay in fade and only if he/she stays everybody survives? i dont know
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Post by uirebhiril on May 11, 2017 23:02:29 GMT
Good luck with that for those who romanced Solas. I'll be waiting with my popcorn in hand as the ladies of Solas turn these forums upside down. But I just want to know what's going to happen between my beloved Divine Cassandra and Inquisitor Cadash. See, after spending my time in the Solas thread through the DAI cycle, we could never quite understand why people thought the majority of us were hand-wringing and weepy over the whole thing. More like, "aww, awesome, I can't wait to see what badass story comes from this!" I mean it's a very real possibility we'll see Solas die, and while it's not an outcome I particularly look forward to I really appreciate the character and hope whatever resolution he gets is done with true justice to the story. The average Solasmancer from that time would probably staunchly agree. We are not the sobbing fangirls you are looking for. Move along.
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