The Character Romance thread (Official)

Getting back to actual romance talk for a bit, I want to play Devil's (or in this case Writer's) Advocate and examine a phrase that has become much maligned here: "A character's sexuality has to make sense for the character". Many fans have lambasted writers who used this, calling them lazy at best, bigoted at worst. But I want to try looking at it from a different angle...

Like any creative aptitude, a person's writing process is unique to them. For some, a detailed outlined is essential for them to get across exactly what they want to say. For others, it completely stifles their creativity, preferring to "go with the flow". More often than not, characters are the aspects to be hit hardest by this. Once a writer has a completed vision for who and what a particular character is, any alteration can risk them coming off as false. Try as they might, some writers just can't construct characters so much as feel them out. It can just as perplexing when a character is based off a real person, and they have trouble reconciling what some fans seem to want out of the character, versus who that person really is.

Look, I'm not going to deny that some Bioware writers would use this as an excuse to not write outside their comfort zone. But I also think it's unfair to assume all of them do this. Especially when they do try and have their work called fake and delusional.

aeh.. and now to something completely different.. the larch..

wtf is OTP`? one touches penis?  Over the penis? On the penis??  Other than penis?

I am confused.  

Would be easier to understand this if gay men didn't get fucked royally because of '' has to make sense '' and '' artistic vision '' and what not. 

OTP means= One True Pairing. Your favourite ship.

I just tired of it. Again and again, and again... last time when the 1.06 released I read in gamer magazines comments. "Does not make sense...", "I'm not a homophobe, but..." I know, I'm the idiot, why I should read comments...

Anyone watching Eurovision?

"Sexuality should make sense for the character" is a flawed premise from the get go. ANY kind of person can be gay. There is no set personality type required. If someone made the same argument about race, they would be roasted, and rightly so.

You might as well just say "I'm going to lean hard on the most obvious and offensive stereotypes", because that is what you mean.

Lesbians had Liara. then in this game vetra and peebee.
Like.. Lesbian players had garrus& thane.. what?

i mean I dont disagree that you gay dudes got the shaft in a super unsexy thoughtless way, but touting thane/garrus  in that context.. is like supremely misunderstandable..
Straight women got a nice assortment, straight men more, we bi humans got asari and now vetra -Gil, cortez, suvi, kelly, traynor are all also non squaddies and human..

I still have a little hatebubble for that twatwaafle who decided  that the per canon bisexual jack needed magic shepard cock ^{(like nothing against shepcock, but please.. "I saved her with my} dick  ^{love" is just such a fucked up trope)} for her character ark develop to further than "stereotype disturbed borderline abused girl with biotics is a bit less angry now"    :rage:

like srsly. she talks about the (ofc abusive because we cant have nice healthy non tragic queer relationships) relationships she had with women and even offers shep to be her pirate queen..
but no, she needs the D to trust again and to open up about her survivor's guilt.. ugh..

But on citadel she can flirt with tali but I cant flirt with her?.
 

Any why is it that there aren't gay/bi squad members outside of romance options? There are plenty of straight ones. I haven't played MET, so I can't use those.
(Yeah, they can all be bi, but let's go with in-game presentation.)

Wynne and Oghren are both straight.
Sten and Shale both show no interest in anyone.

Varric, Bethany, Carver, and Avaline are all straight.

Vivienne, Cole, and (again) Varric are straight.


Bethany couldn't show an interest in Merrill instead of Sebastian? They're both young, inexperienced, and I think Merrill's freer use of magic would be an attraction. They would make a cute couple, I think.

(I honestly can't find a reason Carver would like any of the guys, because, Carver.)

There's nothing saying that Avaline's dead partner and future LI couldn't both be women.

Cole could have had an interesting thing where he thought he was straight, because of the original Cole, but becoming more human and coming into his true self made him realize he's gay.

omg it's obvious he meant that straight- Thane, Jaal, Garrus, lesbian- Liara, Vetra, PB
>___>

I suppose, because this doesn't make sense.

yeahh.. I mean fuck me, i dont make sense either.. Queer not NT, but NB bi person..
I dont make sense, I never made sense bt that ought not matter because I am still here.
if there was a story about me, I'm sure someone would need to explain why this human feels outside the binary and why they like this but not that and..
like..
I cant count the number of nights where I laid in my bed alone, crying, wishing just to be fucking normal like everybody else, not so fucked up, Jerk-brained humn with unusual attractions and kink because nobody will be able to love me..

still I am here, I exist (and learned to give at least a few less fucks about mean people..) and there is no big trauma or fucked up childhood, my parents never really cared about my orientation and I cant remember ever getting gender policed by them.
Sadly there were other people who thought it appropriate. I had to teach my  older grandma to not make comments about my hairdo like I would have to train a fucking dog..  
Because it didn't get into her skull that I might not want to spend time with someone who thinks its totally fine to call me names, tell me  I'm stupid and insists that people will laugh at me behind my back because her opinion that I'm ugly is universal..

So despite  a childhood that was to 85% gender neutral and supportive in that regard that there still was that intense self hate and a search for any reason for me being different and a way to get that out f myself..


but there is none.
and having a game where people who are like us, different in some way or other, are shown just as we are, living without some reason for why we are like we are-. that would be great.
Just to hammer that home, that a child identifying as a boy can still love pink, glitter and skirts just because he likes it, that another person is asecual without them having had any  trauma
or backstory to explain it away..

human diversity is a thing because it exists.. needing a reason?ehh, that's  often just a lazy justification as for why nobody took the effort to make their fucking work a bit more like reality which is so much more diverse than most media..




Its late and I'm a bit buzzed, so in case something isn't understandable, just quote it and I try to understand tomorrow wtf I wanted to say..^^