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Post by VFerreira93 on May 14, 2017 15:45:25 GMT
just its not gay fathers, its "Yo, cutie, my BFF JIL wants to get preggers and harasses me to do it.." Is it explained in the game why she wants to get pregnant from Gil? Why isn't she just looking for a boyfriend? It's interesting because if you say "No" to her, she will end up getting a sperm donation from her work or something like that. If she has that option, why would she go out of her way to emotionally manipulate her best friend (who's gay!) to father the child when he's not 100% on board with said choice? Making her a surrogate to Scott&Gil's baby would be so much better, even with the pacing problem that this game has in general  |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 14, 2017 15:48:20 GMT
just its not gay fathers, its "Yo, cutie, my BFF JIL wants to get preggers and harasses me to do it.." Is it explained in the game why she wants to get pregnant from Gil? Why isn't she just looking for a boyfriend? Not really. She works for the reproduction arm of the Ai, so maybe she's just making her job her passion (talk about workaholic) and wants to start repopulating right now. It's entirely possible she herself is not interested in men sexually for one reason or another, but if that's the case, the player is never clued in. I believe if a romanced Gil is told not to do it, she gets a baby from the sperm bank. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 15:52:58 GMT
Is it explained in the game why she wants to get pregnant from Gil? Why isn't she just looking for a boyfriend? Not really. She works for the reproduction arm of the Ai, so maybe she's just making her job her passion (talk about workaholic) and wants to start repopulating right now. It's entirely possible she herself is not interested in men sexually for one reason or another, but if that's the case, the player is never clued in. I believe if a romanced Gil is told not to do it, she gets a baby from the sperm bank. Now I'm confused (sorry, I've never played the game that far)...so is it possible to dissuade Gil from getting a baby with Jill? I thought if Scott refuses to get a baby with Gil, he will get the child with Jill who becomes the biological mother then. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 15:54:45 GMT
I mean i do even like the gay fathers/family idea.. just its not gay fathers, its "Yo, cutie, my BFF JIL wants to get preggers and harasses me to do it.." Its always about Jil and a bit about gil having to develop and become mature, and that being hamfisted as shit because 90% ist still about jill, and "well now I have to be an adult" isnt much of a character ark.. It also clashes with the "little things that matters" quest/task.. I mean. either the AI wants us all to make children or it doesn't and has stress with a certain someone because she decided to have a child on her own.. but both at the same time ..tastes a bit like shit.. having Gil tell how much his female BBF Jil wants him to jack off to use his sperm because its his job to make children because reasons?.. and then 20 minutes later having addison be pissed because someone decided to be pregnant but "we can not do it, we do not have enough resources".. like game, please decide for one, thanks? The game also has children in stasis pods (I found one) and talks of education for kids already here, so I think the sudden need to have babies is stretching it. |
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Post by Catilina on May 14, 2017 15:58:24 GMT
This is why I like Anders. He just blew up a building, possessed and tainted, but doesn't have such a great friend... so: virtually he's problemfree!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:00:14 GMT
This is why I like Anders. He just blew up a building, possessed and tainted, but doesn't have such a great friend... so: virtually he's problemfree! And he's very story relevant...after Biowares decision against all-characters-being-bisexual, I fear I'll never get a story relevant character again. : ( |
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Post by VFerreira93 on May 14, 2017 16:01:34 GMT
Not really. She works for the reproduction arm of the Ai, so maybe she's just making her job her passion (talk about workaholic) and wants to start repopulating right now. It's entirely possible she herself is not interested in men sexually for one reason or another, but if that's the case, the player is never clued in. I believe if a romanced Gil is told not to do it, she gets a baby from the sperm bank. Now I'm confused (sorry, I've never played the game that far)...so is it possible to dissuade Gil from getting a baby with Jill? I thought if Scott refuses to get a baby with Gil, he will get the child with Jill who becomes the biological mother then. That last part only happens if you dont romance Gil. If you initiate a romance with him, Scott can refuse to have a child and both him and Gil will be uncles instead. But you wont get that last kissing scene at the end of the game if you do that, apparently...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:06:52 GMT
Now I'm confused (sorry, I've never played the game that far)...so is it possible to dissuade Gil from getting a baby with Jill? I thought if Scott refuses to get a baby with Gil, he will get the child with Jill who becomes the biological mother then. That last part only happens if you dont romance Gil. If you initiate a romance with him, Scott can refuse to have a child and both him and Gil will be uncles instead. But you wont get that last kissing scene at the end of the game if you do that, apparently... okay, interesting... it leaves the impression that this is not the ideal / desired outcome and the game actually wants you do get a baby with him.... |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 14, 2017 16:08:50 GMT
I mean i do even like the gay fathers/family idea.. just its not gay fathers, its "Yo, cutie, my BFF JIL wants to get preggers and harasses me to do it.." Its always about Jil and a bit about gil having to develop and become mature, and that being hamfisted as shit because 90% ist still about jill, and "well now I have to be an adult" isnt much of a character ark.. It also clashes with the "little things that matters" quest/task.. I mean. either the AI wants us all to make children or it doesn't and has stress with a certain someone because she decided to have a child on her own.. but both at the same time ..tastes a bit like shit.. having Gil tell how much his female BBF Jil wants him to jack off to use his sperm because its his job to make children because reasons?.. and then 20 minutes later having addison be pissed because someone decided to be pregnant but "we can not do it, we do not have enough resources".. like game, please decide for one, thanks? The game also has children in stasis pods (I found one) and talks of education for kids already here, so I think the sudden need to have babies is stretching it. Especially considering that while I was discussing babies with Gil, I was leading a chase around the galaxy for a pregnant woman that Addison was absolutely freaking out about. Sure, back when she got pregnant we didn't have colonies, but hold your horses here, everyone, by the time Jill is starting to think about boosting batter, we hadn't even defeated the Archon yet and hadn't unfrozen all the stasis pods, either. I wouldn't guarantee at that point that we'd still have a stable environment and access to surplus resources to feed people who can't contribute yet in nine month's time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:12:54 GMT
The game also has children in stasis pods (I found one) and talks of education for kids already here, so I think the sudden need to have babies is stretching it. Especially considering that while I was discussing babies with Gil, I was leading a chase around the galaxy for a pregnant woman that Addison was absolutely freaking out about. Sure, back when she got pregnant we didn't have colonies, but hold your horses here, everyone, by the time Jill is starting to think about boosting batter, we hadn't even defeated the Archon yet and hadn't unfrozen all the stasis pods, either. I wouldn't guarantee at that point that we'd still have a stable environment and access to surplus resources to feed people who can't contribute yet in nine month's time. Yep! When I talked to Gil he seemed to believe we were a dying breed unless we starting having babies. Also I always shut down the protesters because it's not safe yet to bring out more people, so why would I encourage babies being born? Heck by the end of the game every MW species (minus Salarians) are paired up with Angara too, so children aren't really a first thought for many. I feel like it's just humans trying to be number 1 again. |
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Post by witchcocktor on May 14, 2017 16:19:59 GMT
Gil's story line is a mystery for the ages. Even if the whole baby thing was edited to come off as more sensible and less unintentionally offensive, Gil would still be stuck with a story line that is quite far fetched from the plot. It's a shame, gay fathers would be a pretty damn cool thing if it wasn't all of Gil's story in the game.
And, if Gil wants to be a father and have a baby, why couldn't we just, you know, adopt a baby when we're ready? Hell, it could be pretty cool to adopt an angaran kid and that way warm up the relations between milky way species and the angara, kinda like '' we care about you and trust you enough to give one of ours a good home with you / give our parentless children a chance in a family with you '' though I guess foster children aren't a thing amongst the angara.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:21:52 GMT
Gil's story line is a mystery for the ages. Even if the whole baby thing was edited to come off as more sensible and less unintentionally offensive, Gil would still be stuck with a story line that is quite far fetched from the plot. It's a shame, gay fathers would be a pretty damn cool thing if it wasn't all of Gil's story in the game. And, if Gil wants to be a father and have a baby, why couldn't we just, you know, adopt a baby when we're ready? Hell, it could be pretty cool to adopt an angaran kid and that way warm up the relations between milky way species and the angara, kinda like '' we care about you and trust you enough to give one of ours a good home with you / give our parentless children a chance in a family with you '' though I guess foster children aren't a thing amongst the angara. My first thought when we heard the sound files was this was a beautiful and mutual choice you could choose if you romanced him, and had nothing else to it but 2 men who loved each other and wanted to start a new life in Andromeda together with a child of their own. I was so happy that day...  |
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Post by wright1978 on May 14, 2017 16:24:08 GMT
As someone not romancing Gil I didn't really like roleplaying options regarding that whole spawning cornversation. can't you just have a no option.
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 14, 2017 16:27:41 GMT
Especially considering that while I was discussing babies with Gil, I was leading a chase around the galaxy for a pregnant woman that Addison was absolutely freaking out about. Sure, back when she got pregnant we didn't have colonies, but hold your horses here, everyone, by the time Jill is starting to think about boosting batter, we hadn't even defeated the Archon yet and hadn't unfrozen all the stasis pods, either. I wouldn't guarantee at that point that we'd still have a stable environment and access to surplus resources to feed people who can't contribute yet in nine month's time. Yep! When I talked to Gil he seemed to believe we were a dying breed unless we starting have babies. Also I always shut down the protesters because it's not safe yet to bring out more people, so why would I encourage babies being born? Heck by the end of the game, every MW species (minus Salarians) are paired up with Angara too, so children aren't really a first thought for many. I feel like it's just humans trying to be number 1 again. Agreed, the protesters were being unreasonable. I'm even kind of miffed the game forces only positive-ish responses to that lady scientist and her newborn on me. Yeah, whoo, symbolic, first human baby in Andromeda and all that, but in my eyes, she was just selfish. After all, it's not like it was an accident, I get that you wouldn't force someone to get rid of a fetus once it has happened, but she stopped taking her contraception medicine on purpose. She also stole and then destroyed Nexus resources. If you're that intent on living by your own devices, just go to Kadara. Actually, I'm like 80% convinced there's probably already Nexus-species oopsie babies on Kadara by the time you plop down your first colony, since I doubt they still have access to systematic Nexus contraception. It's just we don't know about them and also, they're not attached to a useful scientist Addison wants back in the fold, so those babies aren't as symbolic, I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 16:32:42 GMT
Yep! When I talked to Gil he seemed to believe we were a dying breed unless we starting have babies. Also I always shut down the protesters because it's not safe yet to bring out more people, so why would I encourage babies being born? Heck by the end of the game, every MW species (minus Salarians) are paired up with Angara too, so children aren't really a first thought for many. I feel like it's just humans trying to be number 1 again. Agreed, the protesters were being unreasonable. I'm even kind of miffed the game forces only positive-ish responses to that lady scientist and her newborn on me. Yeah, whoo, symbolic, first human baby in Andromeda and all that, but in my eyes, she was just selfish. After all, it's not like it was an accident, I get that you wouldn't force someone to get rid of a fetus once it has happened, but she stopped taking her contraception medicine on purpose. She also stole and then destroyed Nexus resources. If you're that intent on living by your own devices, just go to Kadara. Actually, I'm like 80% convinced there's probably already Nexus-species oopsie babies on Kadara by the time you plop down your first colony, since I doubt they still have access to Nexus contraception. It's just we don't know about them and also, they're not attached to a useful scientist Addison wants back in the fold, so those babies aren't as symbolic, I guess. Oh yeah another beautiful baby moment ruined. I think a post-game first baby born would have been perfect! That quest makes me less and less sympathetic toward the Exiles and anyone who opposed the Nexus when shit went down before the Hyperion arrived. I will always save the woman and her baby, but it's all wrong in the end no matter what. |
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Post by Rouccoco on May 14, 2017 16:36:07 GMT
Don't mind me, just catching up. Indeed, but not everyone might agree on what constitutes homophobia Just putting that out there.  I want this printed and framed, tbh. |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 14, 2017 16:56:13 GMT
This is why I like Anders. He just blew up a building, possessed and tainted, but doesn't have such a great friend... so: virtually he's problemfree! And he's very story relevant...after Biowares decision against all-characters-being-bisexual, I fear I'll never get a story relevant character again. : ( Yeah, I think a lot of people only focus on the negatives of having virtually player-sexual or conveniently all-bisexual LIs. I understand why, I certainly do get the problems this approach has, it is far from ideal. But there were also some positives. It did allow them to craft four detailed romances with differing paths depending on approval and disapproval, something they might not have had time for if they'd had to make six or eight romance partners, especially considering DA2 seemed rather rushed in other departments (I think that map of their one dungeon is forever burned into my brain). Also, character types that often aren't made available for homosexual romances because of the dreaded "doesn't make sense" were available here. I still think a mix of one or two strictly straight and one or two strictly gay options for each sexuality paired with a maybe slightly unusually high number of bisexuals is the ideal. DA:I, I think, has probably struck the best balance so far, strictly in terms of numbers. ME:A came strangely close if they had only made one or two male squadmates bisexual. |
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Post by Rouccoco on May 14, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
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Post by Joey on May 14, 2017 17:15:35 GMT
Also, regarding "heterophobia" being a thing: Shhhh don't say that word out loud, otherwise you will attract certain people and this place won't be peaceful. Again.  |
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Post by witchcocktor on May 14, 2017 17:25:52 GMT
Also, regarding "heterophobia" being a thing: Shhhh don't say that word out loud, otherwise you will attract certain people and this place won't be peaceful. Again. I mean, you aren't really advocating for peace with this post yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 17:26:33 GMT
Shhhh don't say that word out loud, otherwise you will attract certain people and this place won't be peaceful. Again. I mean, you aren't really advocating for peace with this post yourself. LOL read my mind!  |
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 14, 2017 17:32:58 GMT
Is it explained in the game why she wants to get pregnant from Gil? Why isn't she just looking for a boyfriend? Not really. She works for the reproduction arm of the Ai, so maybe she's just making her job her passion (talk about workaholic) and wants to start repopulating right now. It's entirely possible she herself is not interested in men sexually for one reason or another, but if that's the case, the player is never clued in. I believe if a romanced Gil is told not to do it, she gets a baby from the sperm bank. It certainly would put a different spin on things if Jill were a lesbian. Yep! When I talked to Gil he seemed to believe we were a dying breed unless we starting have babies. Also I always shut down the protesters because it's not safe yet to bring out more people, so why would I encourage babies being born? Heck by the end of the game, every MW species (minus Salarians) are paired up with Angara too, so children aren't really a first thought for many. I feel like it's just humans trying to be number 1 again. Agreed, the protesters were being unreasonable. I'm even kind of miffed the game forces only positive-ish responses to that lady scientist and her newborn on me. Yeah, whoo, symbolic, first human baby in Andromeda and all that, but in my eyes, she was just selfish. After all, it's not like it was an accident, I get that you wouldn't force someone to get rid of a fetus once it has happened, but she stopped taking her contraception medicine on purpose. She also stole and then destroyed Nexus resources. If you're that intent on living by your own devices, just go to Kadara. Actually, I'm like 80% convinced there's probably already Nexus-species oopsie babies on Kadara by the time you plop down your first colony, since I doubt they still have access to systematic Nexus contraception. It's just we don't know about them and also, they're not attached to a useful scientist Addison wants back in the fold, so those babies aren't as symbolic, I guess. That's not how it's described as working. The people aren't voluntarily taking contraceptives. There was some sort of "protein blocker" put in them, that prevents contraception specifically so there wouldn't BE any accidental babies before things were stable enough to start repopulation efforts. That is part of Jill's job, to start removing the protein blockers from the colonists. In all of those months on the stranded Nexus, I'm sure some people of the same species were having sex, either because they became romantically involved, to relieve stress, or because they were bored (I also don't rule out transactional sex for rations or other privileges; it's shitty, but let's be real). It's not like we don't have things like that now for women, with the IUD implant. This would just be something for both sexes. In the case that it fails in one person, then the other still has theirs in place. The odds that it would happen to fail in both people, of the same species, and lead to a pregnancy is probably extremely low. All of the other stuff about Jill aside, she (and whoever else, I doubt she is the only one) is actually needed for the colony to start reproducing, because of the science involved. The woman from that quest IS a scientist, and she reversed the protein blockers in her own self (and her guy, I'm assuming). |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 14, 2017 17:44:27 GMT
Not really. She works for the reproduction arm of the Ai, so maybe she's just making her job her passion (talk about workaholic) and wants to start repopulating right now. It's entirely possible she herself is not interested in men sexually for one reason or another, but if that's the case, the player is never clued in. I believe if a romanced Gil is told not to do it, she gets a baby from the sperm bank. It certainly would put a different spin on things if Jill were a lesbian. Agreed, the protesters were being unreasonable. I'm even kind of miffed the game forces only positive-ish responses to that lady scientist and her newborn on me. Yeah, whoo, symbolic, first human baby in Andromeda and all that, but in my eyes, she was just selfish. After all, it's not like it was an accident, I get that you wouldn't force someone to get rid of a fetus once it has happened, but she stopped taking her contraception medicine on purpose. She also stole and then destroyed Nexus resources. If you're that intent on living by your own devices, just go to Kadara. Actually, I'm like 80% convinced there's probably already Nexus-species oopsie babies on Kadara by the time you plop down your first colony, since I doubt they still have access to systematic Nexus contraception. It's just we don't know about them and also, they're not attached to a useful scientist Addison wants back in the fold, so those babies aren't as symbolic, I guess. That's not how it's described as working. The people aren't voluntarily taking contraceptives. There was some sort of "protein blocker" put in them, that prevents contraception specifically so there wouldn't BE any accidental babies before things were stable enough to start repopulation efforts. That is part of Jill's job, to start removing the protein blockers from the colonists. In all of those months on the stranded Nexus, I'm sure some people of the same species were having sex, either because they became romantically involved, to relieve stress, or because they were bored (I also don't rule out transactional sex for rations or other privileges; it's shitty, but let's be real). It's not like we don't have things like that now for women, with the IUD implant. This would just be something for both sexes. In the case that it fails in one person, then the other still has theirs in place. The odds that it would happen to fail in both people, of the same species, and lead to a pregnancy is probably extremely low. All of the other stuff about Jill aside, she (and whoever else, I doubt she is the only one) is actually needed for the colony to start reproducing, because of the science involved. The woman from that quest IS a scientist, and she reversed the protein blockers in her own self (and her guy, I'm assuming). We don't know how long the particular protein blocker they use works, whether and how often it needs to be refreshed, or if for example it has a shorter life cycle in a turian or asari than in a human (and asari reproduction is just straight up space-magic, considering it involves a process of mind-melding and thought-sharing), so even if we take state-of-the-art human contraception into consideration, that might not tell us much about whether there's baby turians. It's possible they still have these protein blockers in them, I really don't know for sure (which is why I said 80%), but I have to admit I can't be bothered to seriously argue repopulation science in ME. The fact that they don't even seem to have artificial wombs makes everything I could ever say about this topic completely arbitrary because I suspect the ME writing team has frankly put less thought into this than you and I have after writing these two posts. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 14, 2017 18:00:07 GMT
It certainly would put a different spin on things if Jill were a lesbian. That's not how it's described as working. The people aren't voluntarily taking contraceptives. There was some sort of "protein blocker" put in them, that prevents contraception specifically so there wouldn't BE any accidental babies before things were stable enough to start repopulation efforts. That is part of Jill's job, to start removing the protein blockers from the colonists. In all of those months on the stranded Nexus, I'm sure some people of the same species were having sex, either because they became romantically involved, to relieve stress, or because they were bored (I also don't rule out transactional sex for rations or other privileges; it's shitty, but let's be real). It's not like we don't have things like that now for women, with the IUD implant. This would just be something for both sexes. In the case that it fails in one person, then the other still has theirs in place. The odds that it would happen to fail in both people, of the same species, and lead to a pregnancy is probably extremely low. All of the other stuff about Jill aside, she (and whoever else, I doubt she is the only one) is actually needed for the colony to start reproducing, because of the science involved. The woman from that quest IS a scientist, and she reversed the protein blockers in her own self (and her guy, I'm assuming). We don't know how long that stuff works and how often it needs to be refreshed, though, or if for example it has a shorter life cycle in a turian or asari than in a human (and asari reproduction is just straight up space-magic, considering it involves a process of mind-melding and thought-sharing), so even if we take state-of-the-art human contraception into consideration, that might not tell us much about whether there's baby turians. It's possible they still have these protein blockers in them, but to be honest, I can't be bothered to argue repopulation science ME. The fact that they don't even seem to have artificial wombs makes everything I could ever say about this topic completely arbitrary because I suspect the ME writing team has frankly put less thought into this than you and I have after writing these two posts. It could just be that, since Jill is human, her efforts are concentrated on humans. I was never sure on that, really. And of course humans are the ones who are jumpstarted as a result of the human Pathfinder, and the arc, being the first to arrive. I'm not sure whether a doctor like Lexi, who specializes multi-species science, is rare or not. We have how it's explained in the game, so assuming it might need to be refreshed or whatever doesn't mean anything. Even if ALL the human women got copper IUDs inserted, those last for many years, and don't need to be refreshed. Similarly, men who get vasectomies also don't need to have them refreshed. So again, we have permanent, reversible methods right now that do work. The convenience of this MEA method would be that it doesn't involve invasive surgery and can be used on both sexes, works in the same way, for the same result. [edit] I suppose I should add that I am quite literal when it comes to these games and the content in them. When I write my fanfic, I don't deviate from events shown to suit my own storytelling needs. I write around them if necessary, but I don't disregard what is presented. So that is my mentality. |
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Post by toomanyclouds on May 14, 2017 18:15:55 GMT
We don't know how long that stuff works and how often it needs to be refreshed, though, or if for example it has a shorter life cycle in a turian or asari than in a human (and asari reproduction is just straight up space-magic, considering it involves a process of mind-melding and thought-sharing), so even if we take state-of-the-art human contraception into consideration, that might not tell us much about whether there's baby turians. It's possible they still have these protein blockers in them, but to be honest, I can't be bothered to argue repopulation science ME. The fact that they don't even seem to have artificial wombs makes everything I could ever say about this topic completely arbitrary because I suspect the ME writing team has frankly put less thought into this than you and I have after writing these two posts. It could just be that, since Jill is human, her efforts are concentrated on humans. I was never sure on that, really. And of course humans are the ones who are jumpstarted as a result of the human Pathfinder, and his arc, being the first to arrive. I'm not sure whether a doctor like Lexi, who specializes multi-species science, is rare or not. We have how it's explained in the game, so assuming it might need to be refreshed or whatever doesn't mean anything. Even if ALL the human women got copper IUDs inserted, those last for many years, and don't need to be refreshed. Similarly, men who get vasectomies also don't need to have them refreshed. So again, we have permanent, reversible methods right now that do work. The convenience of this MEA method would be that it doesn't involve invasive surgery and can be used on both sexes, works in the same way, for the same result. I was just saying, I wasn't just talking about human babies in that post, so our experiences with human contraception are pretty much meaningless in relation to them. A body that has to stay alive for upwards of a 1000 years, like that of an asari, will probably have a very different biological make-up and could conceivably go through protein blockers much faster - or slower. It's all speculation. I mean, the ME team still claims turians have life births while simulatenously showing that according to concept art, a metallic carapace covers their stomach, so I'm guessing female turians just have a permanently baby-sized empty space in their ribcage. I don't think it's generally too beneficial to think deeply about ME's biology. Yeah, but it would be just as reasonable to assume they would consider it dangerous to employ methods that permanent because after all, they are going on a deep space exploration trip and who knows what could go wrong and if they are sure to even have access to their reproduction scientists anymore. In that context, it might be better to insert protein blockers that do wear off on their own faster, even if more permanent methods are available. Their ship could meet a meteroid storm and get halfway destroyed and leave all the scientists dead, after all. But then again, the Initiative was really spectacularly poorly planned and didn't seem to consider they could run into any problems, so maybe they did actually give every human 50 year implants. All I'm saying is, I don't know, and I don't think the writing team cared very much. |
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