inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 4:28:21 GMT
Natashina you are missed. ALOT. Taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut moderation. Yipee. When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail? Factor in group mentality, and you have our current moderation. We need more understanding. I talked with a mod and they said that they preferred talking first before banning, but he did not get any messages and warnings from any mods before the ban.
|
|
inherit
529
0
7,815
Nightscrawl
3,266
August 2016
nightscrawl
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Nightscrawl on May 20, 2017 4:38:05 GMT
@lee80 doesn't look banned to me? Where are you all seeing that? I saw that he confirmed it elsewhere. I'm surprised it doesn't show anything on the user profile. *sigh*
|
|
inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 4:48:33 GMT
Nightscrawl and BansheeOwnage, this is what happened why he tried to access BSN: Again he got no warnings. I still wait explanation from SofaJockey since he said to me that he would prefer talking with people first before banning them.
|
|
inherit
3555
0
Apr 14, 2022 23:07:25 GMT
11,193
gaycaravaggio
Oy Gay
2,940
February 2017
gaycaravaggio
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
|
Post by gaycaravaggio on May 20, 2017 4:55:28 GMT
(To maybe get us relatively back on track for at least a while...) I save Sloane too. Legit, Reyes turns me off from moment one - everything about that introduction is nothing I have any desire to go through with (like I'd accept a random drink in Kadara Port...). He's got that very 'I know you find me charming' attitude that is patented BioWare Bad Boy Bisexual, and with the accent, I basically feel he's space!Zevran. And original brand Zevran leaves me pretty cold as it is. It's NOT charming to me - that attitude is part of the reason my Inquisitors won't romance Dorian (who fits the archetype, even if he's gay), why my console Wardens have no romances and why I'd sooner play Origins on the PC so I can romance Alistair. Hell, I even shoot Reyes as he escapes. It's frustrating that I have less than zero interest in one of the two m/m options in this game... Seriously, how anyone thought this was 'balanced' or anything like that is beyond me, because this was BS on so many levels. I think the LI choices weren't balances because the m/m LIs have so little content, but I think if you just don't like a personality type, it isn't exactly on them. I mean, that's always going to happen to some people. I don't have any interest in Gil, but my only complaint about Reyes is that he has so little content. I would have loved him as a squad LI and would be happy if he got a squad upgrade in DLC/sequels. People's personal taste in characters like that is one thing, balance is more about having options and content, I think. I don't have any interest in Cullen, for example, but lots of people were disappointed he wasn't an m/m choice. I already didn't have any interest in Iron Bull, either, but I thought DA:I was fairly balanced, since they offered us two squad LIs and the only imbalance was choosing to make twice as many straight male characters as any other demographic. It was definitely a lot better than ME:A did. Basically, I think ME:A was imbalanced because the number of choices and the amount of content was so off. On one end, 3 squad LIs and 2 off ship as straight or bi female characters, on the other end we only got one NPC LI and one offship LI for m/m. All three squaddies have more content than our LIs. The two straight male squaddies got more content than any of our LIs. It's imbalanced, but because of the amount of content we get compared to others. I don't think they can really account for people's personal taste. If a main LI isn't to your taste, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a lack of balance, imo. With only 2-3 options for any demographic in most games, that's just going to happen. Actually, it was three times as many straight male characters as any demographic if we're only counting LIs (Solas, Blackwall, Cullen). If we count characters in general, there's more (Cole, Varric).
|
|
inherit
529
0
7,815
Nightscrawl
3,266
August 2016
nightscrawl
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Nightscrawl on May 20, 2017 5:07:56 GMT
I can sort of get the race gating for Solas, but what does Cullen actually say if you flirt with him as a dwarf or qunari woman? "Sorry, you're too short/tall for me?" (Heh I don't even know what he says if you flirt with him as a man, since I've never done it.) I don't think Blackwall even has a male flirt available...
|
|
inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 5:27:53 GMT
So people can post all manner of homophobic and biphobic shit here, stuff that has seriously harmful real life effects and implications on people, for some making them feel unwelcome and uncertain about participating and feeling that romance threads or these forums are unaccepting of them and their sexuality, and all manner of other emotions seeing that vitriol can evoke in people, not to mention whatever else is tolerated in the toxic shitstain that is the Politics Thread, but a couple of memes and gifs and shade directed at those who have consistently made several hurtful comments time and time again making out to be supportive and amicable when it was a ruse to "prove a point" is apparently too much and acceptable to therefore ban that person without ANY warnings to them whatsoever? Like is that where the line is drawn at? Seriously? Well this should not be a surprise considering that some mods did participate in the politics thread.
|
|
inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 5:40:55 GMT
Well I have reported some posts in politic threads that were attacking gaycaravaggio and kept screenshot of them. Lets see if mods are going to remove them. SofaJockey
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
5772
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
Deleted
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 5:53:42 GMT
Hey, mods, I'm pretty sure that the recent craziness is a symptom of a bigger problem. I don't post very much, but I've been an observer for a while now. And it's definitely a pattern. I would suggest looking up manipulation tactics so it's easier to spot the subtle nasties that often come up... Passive agression and homophobic sealioning (started just to bait people into explaining things they've explained a dozen times) slide every damn time on this forum, leaving LGBT folks bitter and irritated. And then when people call others out on those things (because mods do not) it devolves into "shouting matches" after which the instigator gets nothing and the people calling them out, rightfully frustrated, get tired of being nice about their bs, and then get banned, apparently. I've dealt with enough manipulation in my life (a few people in these parts are throwing up big red flags)...I'm tired of seeing it on a damn forum I used to visit for fun. I'm out.
|
|
Joey
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Jade Empire
Prime Posts: 1
Prime Likes: 2137
Posts: 351 Likes: 1,483
inherit
1486
0
1,483
Joey
351
September 2016
hassler
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Jade Empire
1
2137
|
Post by Joey on May 20, 2017 6:00:24 GMT
Hey, mods, I'm pretty sure that the recent craziness is a symptom of a bigger problem. I don't post very much, but I've been an observer for a while now. And it's definitely a pattern. I would suggest looking up manipulation tactics so it's easier to spot the subtle nasties that often come up... Passive agression and homophobic sealioning (started just to bait people into explaining things they've explained a dozen times) slide every damn time on this forum, leaving LGBT folks bitter and irritated. And then when people call others out on those things (because mods do not) it devolves into "shouting matches" after which the instigator gets nothing and the people calling them out, rightfully frustrated, get tired of being nice about their bs, and then get banned, apparently. I've dealt with enough manipulation in my life (a few people in these parts are throwing up big red flags)...I'm tired of seeing it on a damn forum I used to visit for fun. I'm out.
|
|
inherit
3555
0
Apr 14, 2022 23:07:25 GMT
11,193
gaycaravaggio
Oy Gay
2,940
February 2017
gaycaravaggio
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
|
Post by gaycaravaggio on May 20, 2017 6:03:10 GMT
Well I have reported some posts in politic threads that were attacking gaycaravaggio and kept screenshot of them. Lets see if mods are going to remove them. SofaJockey Oh but deleting them would uh undermine their freedom of speech and both sides are wrong because *fart*
|
|
inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 6:05:37 GMT
Well I have reported some posts in politic threads that were attacking gaycaravaggio and kept screenshot of them. Lets see if mods are going to remove them. SofaJockey Oh but deleting them would uh undermine their freedom of speech and both sides are wrong because *fart* Personal attacks against lgbt people are fine, but us throwing possible shades against some homophobes is a ground for immediate ban.
|
|
inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 6:06:31 GMT
Hey, mods, I'm pretty sure that the recent craziness is a symptom of a bigger problem. I don't post very much, but I've been an observer for a while now. And it's definitely a pattern. I would suggest looking up manipulation tactics so it's easier to spot the subtle nasties that often come up... Passive agression and homophobic sealioning (started just to bait people into explaining things they've explained a dozen times) slide every damn time on this forum, leaving LGBT folks bitter and irritated. And then when people call others out on those things (because mods do not) it devolves into "shouting matches" after which the instigator gets nothing and the people calling them out, rightfully frustrated, get tired of being nice about their bs, and then get banned, apparently. I've dealt with enough manipulation in my life (a few people in these parts are throwing up big red flags)...I'm tired of seeing it on a damn forum I used to visit for fun. I'm out. Not sure if you will see this, we have a better and more lgbt friendly board set up. PM me on my twitter so I can send you a link there.
|
|
inherit
3555
0
Apr 14, 2022 23:07:25 GMT
11,193
gaycaravaggio
Oy Gay
2,940
February 2017
gaycaravaggio
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion
|
Post by gaycaravaggio on May 20, 2017 6:13:49 GMT
Oh but deleting them would uh undermine their freedom of speech and both sides are wrong because *fart* Personal attacks against lgbt people are fine, but us throwing possible shades against some homophobes is a ground for immediate ban. Hell, I think they were just triggered over me thinking that the Alt-Right is real and bigoted af. Guess they can't handle their little circlejerk being laughed at a little.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Oct 14, 2024 19:14:13 GMT
31,573
Hanako Ikezawa
22,990
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 20, 2017 6:23:12 GMT
Well I have reported some posts in politic threads that were attacking gaycaravaggio and kept screenshot of them. Lets see if mods are going to remove them. SofaJockey Wait, what were they saying in the Politics Thread?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
4344
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
Deleted
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 6:42:50 GMT
Sorry y'all.
This place has become a little too queer for the heterosexuals, you all gotta clear out now. -BANS THE LOT OF YOU-
|
|
inherit
507
0
Jun 21, 2021 22:15:41 GMT
5,802
Artemis
Somewhere, out there...
2,630
August 2016
artemis
CuriousArtemis
curiousartemis
|
Post by Artemis on May 20, 2017 6:51:27 GMT
Hey, mods, I'm pretty sure that the recent craziness is a symptom of a bigger problem. I don't post very much, but I've been an observer for a while now. And it's definitely a pattern. I would suggest looking up manipulation tactics so it's easier to spot the subtle nasties that often come up... Passive agression and homophobic sealioning (started just to bait people into explaining things they've explained a dozen times) slide every damn time on this forum, leaving LGBT folks bitter and irritated. And then when people call others out on those things (because mods do not) it devolves into "shouting matches" after which the instigator gets nothing and the people calling them out, rightfully frustrated, get tired of being nice about their bs, and then get banned, apparently. I've dealt with enough manipulation in my life (a few people in these parts are throwing up big red flags)...I'm tired of seeing it on a damn forum I used to visit for fun. I'm out. Not sure if you will see this, we have a better and more lgbt friendly board set up. PM me on my twitter so I can send you a link there. I believe they're already registered I saw their name for the approval requests the other day.
|
|
inherit
57
0
Member is Online
1
Oct 16, 2024 20:54:12 GMT
33,984
SofaJockey
Not a jockey. Has a sofa.
13,430
August 2016
sofajockey
SofaJockey
SofaJockey
6000
7164
|
Post by SofaJockey on May 20, 2017 9:31:59 GMT
Well I have reported some posts in politic threads that were attacking gaycaravaggio and kept screenshot of them. Lets see if mods are going to remove them. SofaJockey Thanks for that tag, I live in the UK and I've just got up... I'll take a look.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
4995
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
Deleted
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 9:37:19 GMT
Well I have reported some posts in politic threads that were attacking gaycaravaggio and kept screenshot of them. Lets see if mods are going to remove them. SofaJockey Oh but deleting them would uh undermine their freedom of speech and both sides are wrong because *fart* Yup. Of course the mods aren't going to delete those attacks. People on these forums can spew as much hate as they can about LGBT but as soon as one of us decides to defend our self the mods start spewing foam out of their mouths and delete our post. It's pretty simple really based on my time here, the mods don't care about us, and seeing the politics thread and who likes what post you can tell that they see us as an inconvenience. Free speech my ass, the only thing "Free speech" does is stop the government from arresting you, it doesn't mean that someone has deal with the BS and hate that spews out. Course the mods allow it, and by allowing it in a private space where free speech doesn't exist you can tell what side they are on. I'm out too, I dealt with plenty of shit in real life, I'm not going to bother with a forum where the mods that defend hate and allow attacks LGBT folk as well. You all know where to find me if you want to chat.
|
|
inherit
529
0
7,815
Nightscrawl
3,266
August 2016
nightscrawl
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Nightscrawl on May 20, 2017 9:46:20 GMT
Well I have reported some posts in politic threads that were attacking gaycaravaggio and kept screenshot of them. Lets see if mods are going to remove them. SofaJockey Thanks for that tag, I live in the UK and I've just got up... I'll take a look. Can you read through some of the posts on the last few pages of this thread to see how the people here are responding to some of this? It's really not a good sign when numerous people of a particular group think that the mods as a whole just don't give a shit about them, or care about making an effort toward equitable moderation practices. They don't feel safe. They don't feel welcome. That needs to be acknowledged, and the reasons for it need to be understood.
|
|
dgcatanisiri
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 171 Likes: 824
inherit
4884
0
824
dgcatanisiri
171
Mar 17, 2017 23:31:21 GMT
March 2017
dgcatanisiri
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by dgcatanisiri on May 20, 2017 10:04:14 GMT
I can sort of get the race gating for Solas, but what does Cullen actually say if you flirt with him as a dwarf or qunari woman? "Sorry, you're too short/tall for me?" (Heh I don't even know what he says if you flirt with him as a man, since I've never done it.) I don't think Blackwall even has a male flirt available... Cullen offers the same rejection to female qunari/dwarves as he does to men, which is effectively a 'I can offer no more than friendship right now' kind of thing. And seriously, I really wish someone had just put in the unpaid hours into HIM, rather than Bull, because dear god, how much his story resonates with from a queer perspective - like, drug addictions are depressingly common in the community, we would have embraced this, because it's a story that a queer audience can relate to without being exclusively queer. Not to mention how badly I needed this character who struggles with self-esteem/self-worth and PTSD... Dorian's homophobic father and Bull's BDSM stuff fall so completely flat for me, but Cullen? Cullen would have MATTERED, he's a character who never gets portrayed as queer, and how much would that have been embraced by an audience who legit just keeps getting the same old scraps and gets told to enjoy getting anything...! I have a lot of feelings on Cullen's bisexuality.
|
|
cespar
N3
Keep a Liam Kosta near! :D
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
XBL Gamertag: MysteryCespar
Posts: 555 Likes: 1,517
inherit
530
0
1,517
cespar
Keep a Liam Kosta near! :D
555
August 2016
cespar
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
MysteryCespar
|
Post by cespar on May 20, 2017 10:11:05 GMT
I don't think anyone should be trying to play victim now, especially after you cyberbully someone. Some people may not agree about making Jaal bi, but they never attacked you as a person. It's fine to disagree with a person who wants Jaal to stay straight, but leave the real people out of it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
4997
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
Deleted
0
Oct 16, 2024 20:55:19 GMT
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 10:13:52 GMT
I don't think anyone should be trying to play victim now, especially after you cyberbully someone. Some people may not agree about making Jaal bi, but they never attacked you as a person. It's fine to disagree with a person who wants Jaal to stay straight, but leave the real people out of it. You have clearly never been bullied or been the victim of any kind of prejudice. If you dont know the difference between parodying someone's bigotry and harrassment.
|
|
inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 10:14:12 GMT
I'm sorry but I am just going to call homophobia what it is: homophobia.
|
|
cespar
N3
Keep a Liam Kosta near! :D
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
XBL Gamertag: MysteryCespar
Posts: 555 Likes: 1,517
inherit
530
0
1,517
cespar
Keep a Liam Kosta near! :D
555
August 2016
cespar
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
MysteryCespar
|
Post by cespar on May 20, 2017 10:17:40 GMT
I don't think anyone should be trying to play victim now, especially after you cyberbully someone. Some people may not agree about making Jaal bi, but they never attacked you as a person. It's fine to disagree with a person who wants Jaal to stay straight, but leave the real people out of it. You have clearly never been bullied or been the victim of any kind of prejudice. If you dont know the difference between parodying someone's bigotry and harrassment. Yall were clearly making fun of her. Even made fake accounts with her username. Mocking her and all of that. Oh and didn't everyone apologize to each other?
|
|
inherit
A Knight in Fluffy Armor
3131
0
Oct 16, 2024 14:17:35 GMT
8,340
Dirk
1,876
January 2017
dirkjake
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Dirk on May 20, 2017 10:20:11 GMT
I can sort of get the race gating for Solas, but what does Cullen actually say if you flirt with him as a dwarf or qunari woman? "Sorry, you're too short/tall for me?" (Heh I don't even know what he says if you flirt with him as a man, since I've never done it.) I don't think Blackwall even has a male flirt available... Cullen offers the same rejection to female qunari/dwarves as he does to men, which is effectively a 'I can offer no more than friendship right now' kind of thing. And seriously, I really wish someone had just put in the unpaid hours into HIM, rather than Bull, because dear god, how much his story resonates with from a queer perspective - like, drug addictions are depressingly common in the community, we would have embraced this, because it's a story that a queer audience can relate to without being exclusively queer. Not to mention how badly I needed this character who struggles with self-esteem/self-worth and PTSD... Dorian's homophobic father and Bull's BDSM stuff fall so completely flat for me, but Cullen? Cullen would have MATTERED, he's a character who never gets portrayed as queer, and how much would that have been embraced by an audience who legit just keeps getting the same old scraps and gets told to enjoy getting anything...! I have a lot of feelings on Cullen's bisexuality. Apart from the part about IB, I agree with you and you raised a really good point. Cullen should have been bi. He would have been a poignant representation. It's sad that DA2 is the only game in DA and ME that romance options were equal.
|
|