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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 21, 2017 3:00:15 GMT
btw, I always thought cougar is like.. at least 10 years older, more likely 20..
I mean it also plays on stupid stereotype but.. those are weirdly pervasive in that topic..
I mean those farty 5 years are nothing for age difference.. lol I had 15 once. (Just a short fuck, nothing serious, but was nice tho) my first So was 7 years older I think?ß Its a while ago, I was 16 (legal age "cutoffs" are 14 /16 here) and I'm a bit older now so my memory is fucked...too
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 21, 2017 3:13:56 GMT
moderately incensed firmicute I wasn't suggesting anything about rape or inappropriateness related to age disparity. I'm not really sure why you went there at all. My question about a name for men in that situation was more rhetorical. I've seen Cora described as a cougar several times, but never the same about Jaal, Reyes, or Gil, who all read as older than Sara/Scott to me. I've never seen it in regard to Vetra either, so maybe it's just a human thing.
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Post by caladrius on May 21, 2017 3:16:15 GMT
No, because that is showing the interest of the younger person, whereas "cougar" connotes an older person pursuing a younger one. In the gay community, sometimes older men that go for younger men are called a "silver fox". It does seem heterosexual men that go for younger women are just viewed as more "normal", which is unfortunate. The sugar daddy thing was brought up, that's often used when the man is older and wealthy.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 21, 2017 3:48:29 GMT
moderately incensed firmicute I wasn't suggesting anything about rape or inappropriateness related to age disparity. I'm not really sure why you went there at all. My question about a name for men in that situation was more rhetorical. I've seen Cora described as a cougar several times, but never the same about Jaal, Reyes, or Gil, who all read as older than Sara/Scott to me. I've never seen it in regard to Vetra either, so maybe it's just a human thing. because of ugly connotations and double standardss society likes to applie especially in regards of whats "appropriate" or not and whats "expected and not" and very ofte its not an healthy standard. the standard that makes stuff like "cougar" saxs that "old" women pursuing sex is still unusual or weird and not,, well natural for seual people. but my mind can run off wildly, the beauty of not very well treated adhd
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 21, 2017 4:22:13 GMT
Rawr. Personal attacks against lgbt people are fine, but us throwing possible shades against some homophobes is a ground for immediate ban. Forget about personal attacks, attacking entire groups of people is apparently okay I can sort of get the race gating for Solas, but what does Cullen actually say if you flirt with him as a dwarf or qunari woman? "Sorry, you're too short/tall for me?" (Heh I don't even know what he says if you flirt with him as a man, since I've never done it.) I don't think Blackwall even has a male flirt available... Cullen offers the same rejection to female qunari/dwarves as he does to men, which is effectively a 'I can offer no more than friendship right now' kind of thing. And seriously, I really wish someone had just put in the unpaid hours into HIM, rather than Bull, because dear god, how much his story resonates with from a queer perspective - like, drug addictions are depressingly common in the community, we would have embraced this, because it's a story that a queer audience can relate to without being exclusively queer. Not to mention how badly I needed this character who struggles with self-esteem/self-worth and PTSD... Dorian's homophobic father and Bull's BDSM stuff fall so completely flat for me, but Cullen? Cullen would have MATTERED, he's a character who never gets portrayed as queer, and how much would that have been embraced by an audience who legit just keeps getting the same old scraps and gets told to enjoy getting anything...! I have a lot of feelings on Cullen's bisexuality. Huh, that's a perspective I haven't heard before, thanks for that. I always thought bi Cullen would be great just on the grounds of finally having a queer KISA, but the stuff about PTSD and addiction makes me wish that had happened even more. I always liked his personal quest, "Perseverance", a lot. Plus him almost hitting you with his lyrium kit was funny. I'm not looking for a fight. I just see people in here playing the victim card after attacking a certain user. I just don't agree with attacking an actual person. Fight about bi-Jaal all day and Bioware slacking on m/m. That's the goal. I just think it has become too personal now. I am sorry but homophobia is always personal. And I want to apologize in advance for this, but I may have called you guys miserable to someone in pm. Now that I have a better understanding. Sorry for calling you guys that. Oh and sorry for my comments where I was saying that you're only here for some drama. I guess I was wrong And then suddenly everyone hugged and danced *ahem* Everyone's shared their perspectives (fair enough), can we please take any further personal issues or debates away from this thread. Thanks. Does "debates" include the whole moderation/homophobia issue (doesn't really matter if it does because your other post asked us to PM you about it instead of post)? Because you can't seriously expect that to help or even work. It's a topic that needs discussing, desperately. Without offering an alternative (a thread specifically for us discussing it with mods), the issue will and should continue to be discussed here. It's even on-topic as far as I'm concerned, since it relates directly to this thread and the users in it even if it also affects the whole forum. More importantly, any attempt to mute the discussion about it would completely undermine your own claim that you care about moderating with equality and understanding the issue, and make you look like an authoritarian regime in the vein of the modbots from the final days of Olde BSN, silencing any discussion of how you should be doing things better. I say this not as an attack, but because I genuinely want us to get back on track here, for everyone's sake. So I'll say the simplest thing I can: When an entire group of people tells you that your don't understand their perspective, maybe you don't. When the LGBT community tells you they know better what constitutes homophobia than you do, maybe you should give them the benefit of the doubt. We've already had people leave because they don't feel safe. How many more is it going to take before something changes? No these people aren't around anymore (other forums). Like I said people here aren't even involved in what happened regarding the Jaal fans I talked about. They left. I have no idea what they sent you and I'm sorry they did that. That truce was from my heart and honest though, and I never went back on my word. Obviously I was the only one who felt that way since everything I say you guys look for hidden m/m hate to pop up. Also I may be straight but I suffered abuse all my life and cyberbullying that lead to real life stalking, so I am not going to just take it from anyone anymore. I suffer depression and I don't need this. Sofajockey is right though. This is a romance thread and I'm done with all of you.
Leave me alone. Don't speak of me and I will do the same.Consular, this is the kind of behaviour people have been talking about. Repeatedly saying things like "I'm done with all of you", only to, well, not be done. It's become a cycle. I'm sorry for what you've gone through, and I want this place to be safe for everyone. But you must see how your behaviour looks. Alright, back on subject! Everyone's favorite romance from MEA? Does it top your favorite romance from the trilogy? Is there something your new romance has that the old one didn't and you wish it did? Vice Versa! Go go go! Suvi! I'll answer whether it tops my favourite previous Bioware romance, Cullen: Yes an no. In terms of character, I like her better (which is saying something, love Cullen). She's basically all the things I like (crazy that that happened in a character, really), and she's a woman, which is significant because it makes her and the romance a lot more relatable. But sadly the romance itself is inferior in almost every way to Cullen's in terms of mechanics and amount of content. I've gone into detail in the past, but the short of it is: About a third of Cullen's content, no romance-specific greetings, no repeatable kiss, less intimacy (and I'm not only referring to her lack of sex scene, she doesn't even get a hug), and less plot-relevance. The only thing she does better mechanically is have her romance acknowledged more, but still less than other ME:A romances. And that answers your other question! Overall, however, I wasn't very fond of the Cora romance. It didn't feel very romantic, for once - even way after the lock-in, she still ended conversations with her standard "stay safe" line, which gave me the feeling that not that much had changed between us. Plus, I kinda missed the opportunity to actually get to know her before I started flirting with her - the flirt lines were there right from the start, but what were the reasons to pick them? Because Cora looked attractive? It sure wasn't an interesting conversation or a witty remark from her that got me interested, and that made me feel that the entire getting-to-know part of the romance was missing. Wonder whether any of the others felt the same. Those are 2 very interesting points. 1. Suvi's conversation dialogue isn't different in a romance either, so I know what you mean, and it's a shame. It makes the romance feel real and continuous if things like that are different. Otherwise, it's more like waiting for the occasional romance scene in between normal friendship. 2. I also agree that flirts happen too early in general. Though I feel like that wasn't as much of an issue in DA:I. Often in ME:A you get a flirt option in the first conversation with someone, which is sometimes within seconds of meeting them. It feels... odd. Of course, how odd it is depends how overt the flirts are. If it's something more like expressing deep caring, it's more believable and easier to roleplay. Anyway, I think in the future they should work on balancing the romance pacing so flirting isn't immediate but there's still good content across the rest of the game and not all at the end *cough Suvi *cough* Plus, the age gap between Cora (early 30's) and Scott at 22 makes her kind of a cougar. Also the mixed feelings about not being pathfinder thrown in . . . Actually, I have no idea how old Liam, Gil, Suvi, or Vetra are either. We know Drack, and Jaal mentioned his age once (forget what it was, late twenties). Do we have numbers for any of them? We can make educated guesses about some of them. Vetra said she was as old as Sid is now when her dad left, and Sid is a teenager. So, Vetra's actually younger than I thought. Suvi has two PhDs, but I feel like she probably got them at the same time. If she finished school at 18, this would make her at least 26. Though I can also see her finishing grade-school early, so who knows? I'd rather my romance option be older than the protagonist rather than younger though, so I'm good as long as the difference isn't too big. Suvi. Yes. I really like how Suvi's romance had different kinds of flirts available and how the romance was written. Kelly had more moments where she expressed care and concern over Shepard, so would have liked Suvi to have more of that. 1. To be fair, that only happened one time. Wish it happened more, though! 2. Totally agree about moments of worry, they're the sweetest. I enjoyed Suvi's worry (not just the bridge scene, but more subtle moments like after you die, and her screaming "Shite!*" over the comms when you're dying again), though it's a lot more subdued than Cullen's was, and with fewer hugs. Although hearing "Shite" pronounced like that always makes me laugh and takes me out of the moment Gil is the best character in MEA. Does he top Kaidan? No. Because he and Kaidan are both total tops. Vers or riot! Versatile Master Race. Well I wish the Garrus romance had nudity...somebody at Bioware really doesn't want naked turians... I wish the romances in MEA had a few games to develop, they sort of have a chance if Ryder is back for the next one whenever it happens, but if they do it DA-style then idk. I really hope they do, partly just because that would be awesome, partly because Suvi is in desperate need of more content, and also because she's my favourite romance and I want moar! I have been told to tone down shit posts and memes, so here are my take on how to improve on Gil romance (totally fixing it is not likely possible) - Fly-cam during the sex scene shows that some nudity (no dicks) is already there. So they should add some spice into the scene. I've heard that some grunt/moan sound files are already there. They can add those in too.That's... interesting Ha, I knew that would happen with the new outfit! Please! 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Post by Nightscrawl on May 21, 2017 4:26:00 GMT
No, because that is showing the interest of the younger person, whereas "cougar" connotes an older person pursuing a younger one. In the gay community, sometimes older men that go for younger men are called a "silver fox". It does seem heterosexual men that go for younger women are just viewed as more "normal", which is unfortunate. The sugar daddy thing was brought up, that's often used when the man is older and wealthy. Heh, "silver fox" isn't just in the gay community. But as I said, it was more of a rhetorical question related to the situation in MEA because most of them seem older than 22. It doesn't really help when media is full of these depictions, with the male lead being whatever famous actor getting the female lead who is 10, 20+ years younger than him. Sean Connery is one of the worst examples of this with his later films. It's a total ego/power trip for the male audience.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 21, 2017 5:21:38 GMT
With regards to the ages of the LIs, I saw it as this: Around the same age as Ryder: Avela, Gil, Keri, Liam, PeeBee, Suvi A few years older than Ryder: Cora, Jaal, Reyes, Vetra None of the LIs are more than a decade older than Ryder. I assume you mean relative age when it comes to Keri and Peebee.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 21, 2017 5:24:22 GMT
Alright, back on subject! Everyone's favorite romance from MEA? Does it top your favorite romance from the trilogy? Is there something your new romance has that the old one didn't and you wish it did? Vice Versa! Go go go! My Scott remains single for now. It's no where near as amazing as my John's romance with Kaidan. I am hoping ME:A gets a sequel and Scott gets another chance at finding the right guy for him. I think it's less a problem of who we have and more about how the romance progressed. If, say, a Gil or Reyes romances were fleshed out some more, they could be interesting. Mind you, I was hooked on Kaidan from ME1 even when unable to romance him but I still see potential with the MEA boys.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 21, 2017 5:27:13 GMT
With regards to the ages of the LIs, I saw it as this: Around the same age as Ryder: Avela, Gil, Keri, Liam, PeeBee, Suvi A few years older than Ryder: Cora, Jaal, Reyes, Vetra None of the LIs are more than a decade older than Ryder. I assume you mean relative age when it comes to Keri and Peebee. Yes
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Post by blastoandbubin on May 21, 2017 6:21:52 GMT
Alright, back on subject! Everyone's favorite romance from MEA? Does it top your favorite romance from the trilogy? Is there something your new romance has that the old one didn't and you wish it did? Vice Versa! Go go go! Kind of embarrassed to admit it but Jaal, lol. It's incredibly corny and his chest looks like a facehugger recently exploded from it, but I admit that the "across the galaxy" angle, his dorky emails and enthusiasm for heading downtown won me over, questionable poncho choices or no. I wanted to love Vetra but her romance took so. damn. long. to get going for me that that playthrough is actually still stalled I don't know if that was an issue on my end or if her romance is just an overachiever in the slowburn department for everyone or what. I also think I'd probably love Peebee's romance but I have major asari fatigue. My favorite romances from the trilogy were Liara and Garrus (with Liara getting points mostly for being so plot-important and being my first f/f BW romance; like they say, you never forget your first ) It's tough to compare them, really, because Liara and Garrus both had multiple games to build up not just their romances, but their histories both with Shepard and on their own. Jaal and Ryder don't have that advantage since they're just one game in. I think it has the potential to top them, definitely, if Bioware makes a sequel. But right now the completed arcs of Garrus and Liara's relationships with Shep are still superior, imo.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 6:51:31 GMT
...Well. What was anyone expecting out of the companions before they were revealed? Because I had high hopes.
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Post by fadburger on May 21, 2017 7:14:53 GMT
...Well. What was anyone expecting out of the companions before they were revealed? Because I had high hopes. I was really excited because I had heard there was full nudity and because Vetra is a LI (I was originally planning on romancing her) I assumed it meant that everybody would get fully nude sex scenes (lol). So that was disappointing. It ended up sort of evening out since I ended up going with Jaal but I'm still pretty bitter about Vetra being relegated to fade-to-black territory. For some reason I had thought Kandros might be an off-ship romance option, that's my bad for thinking that but I'm still sad he isn't...he would have been such a good LI option since he hits it off with Ryder right away and they have a pretty good repertoire. I wasn't particularly planning on romancing Gil or Suvi, but I was expecting them to have comparable romances to the squaddies since iirc we were told they'd have decently beefy ones like in DAI and I'd romanced Cullen twice and felt like he had a good romance even though he was an advisor.
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Post by caladrius on May 21, 2017 7:21:14 GMT
I think Vetra and Liam came closest to what I was expecting, also Drack. I thought Cora would be more like Cassandra, but she has a much softer personality and not as assertive or nearly as experienced. I thought Jaal would be more of a grizzled warrior type for some reason, but he's very sweet. I thought Peebee would be more annoying for me, like space Sera, but she was taken down a few notches and I enjoyed her character.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 21, 2017 7:31:37 GMT
I thought Reyes's accent would be more consistent. Oh? Squadmates? Well... I assumed that Cora would be more like Ashley, but she's like if you took out Ms. Williams's spine.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 21, 2017 7:41:46 GMT
Alright, back on subject! Everyone's favorite romance from MEA? Does it top your favorite romance from the trilogy? Is there something your new romance has that the old one didn't and you wish it did? Vice Versa! Go go go! Kind of embarrassed to admit it but Jaal, lol. It's incredibly corny and his chest looks like a facehugger recently exploded from it, but I admit that the "across the galaxy" angle, his dorky emails and enthusiasm for heading downtown won me over, questionable poncho choices or no. I wanted to love Vetra but her romance took so. damn. long. to get going for me that that playthrough is actually still stalled I don't know if that was an issue on my end or if her romance is just an overachiever in the slowburn department for everyone or what.Pacing seems to be an issue in certain romances. Suvi's is like that as well, with only occasional flirting up until after the Archon's flagship, and then you get an altered tea scene where you can lock-in, then Khi Tasira, then the culmination scene, and a couple of short moments after. It didn't help that I did the bulk of the planet-exploring before than mission as well, so it felt even slower and thinner to me - I played every day and went 2 weeks between scenes with her. It gets odd if you've taken all the flirts, too, because at that point you basically both know how you feel but... no one says anything for weeks? Mkay. Basically, nothing, nothing, slowburn, nothing... then everything and it's over. Meanwhile, I know Liam can lock-in at least one priority mission before that, and Peebee's zero-G scene is long before as well. They really need to work on pacing and general content equality. ...Well. What was anyone expecting out of the companions before they were revealed? Because I had high hopes. Depends how early. For most of development I assumed it would be like DA:I, but without the extra options. So 2/2/2. And with comparable content both to each other and to DA:I romances. Instead, we got numbers so uneven every orientation has a different number of options/placement (Squad, crew, etc.), with very uneven content and ME:A romances overall having less than DA:I counterparts. After they said there would be flings, I also expected more of them and across more orientations, even if straight guys got more. I guess I was half right So yeah, apparently my "As good as their last game" hopes were way too high. Edit: Oh, you meant their personalities. Derp.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 21, 2017 7:51:32 GMT
My Scott remains single for now. It's no where near as amazing as my John's romance with Kaidan. I am hoping ME:A gets a sequel and Scott gets another chance at finding the right guy for him. I think it's less a problem of who we have and more about how the romance progressed. If, say, a Gil or Reyes romances were fleshed out some more, they could be interesting. Mind you, I was hooked on Kaidan from ME1 even when unable to romance him but I still see potential with the MEA boys. Yeah... I think the guys themselves are pretty good, but their actual romance content is lacking. Gil in particular has problems because of what his content IS and how that plays out in the game. But I don't hold any of that against the character himself, who I like a bunch, and I think there IS material there to work with. Kind of embarrassed to admit it but Jaal, lol. It's incredibly corny and his chest looks like a facehugger recently exploded from it, but I admit that the "across the galaxy" angle, his dorky emails and enthusiasm for heading downtown won me over, questionable poncho choices or no. I wanted to love Vetra but her romance took so. damn. long. to get going for me that that playthrough is actually still stalled I don't know if that was an issue on my end or if her romance is just an overachiever in the slowburn department for everyone or what. Never looking at Jaal the same way again.
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Post by Dirk on May 21, 2017 8:05:45 GMT
...Well. What was anyone expecting out of the companions before they were revealed? Because I had high hopes. These are before there were revealed that there are only 6 of them - Two m/m romance squad mates. One gay human, the one pansexual new alien. - Female turian because of popular demand. - One asari, per the required amount of male gaze in ME. - One human female, who is traditionally hot. Needless to say, I was so damn disappointed, especially with Jaal.
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Post by farferello on May 21, 2017 8:06:45 GMT
For Squadmates, I was honestly expecting Jaal to be like Evfra is so it was kind of a surprise he wasn't. I also expected Cora to be, well, the new Miranda when people kept describing her as the 'buxom blond' before we'd seen her. I'm very glad she was different, I don't think I could have dealt with all those unnecessary ass shots again. I don't think I had strong opinions on the other prior to release, and if I did, they probably ended up close to what I expected.
eta: I also expected Jaal and/or Liam to be bi. But we all know how that turned out.
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Post by caladrius on May 21, 2017 8:11:50 GMT
For Squadmates, I was honestly expecting Jaal to be like Evfra is so it was kind of a surprise he wasn't. I also expected Cora to be, well, the new Miranda when people kept describing her as the 'buxom blond' before we'd seen her. I'm very glad she was different, I don't think I could have dealt with all those unnecessary ass shots again. I don't think I had strong opinions on the other prior to release, and if I did, they probably ended up close to what I expected. eta: I also expected Jaal and/or Liam to be bi. But we all know how that turned out. That's actually what I expected from Jaal at first, too. I changed my expectations a bit when they started talking about how the Angara are "more in touch with their feelings" and such, but that was my first impression. It's actually kind of strange Evfra is the way he is. Why is he so bad at being Angaran? LOL I enjoyed both characters, though. It's not a complaint.
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Post by fadburger on May 21, 2017 8:22:00 GMT
For Squadmates, I was honestly expecting Jaal to be like Evfra is so it was kind of a surprise he wasn't. I also expected Cora to be, well, the new Miranda when people kept describing her as the 'buxom blond' before we'd seen her. I'm very glad she was different, I don't think I could have dealt with all those unnecessary ass shots again. I don't think I had strong opinions on the other prior to release, and if I did, they probably ended up close to what I expected. eta: I also expected Jaal and/or Liam to be bi. But we all know how that turned out. I thought Cora's personality was going to be more like Miranda's, I hadn't heard that "buxom blond" thing (thank goodness for that) and I am glad she turned out different too...but I thought she'd be more aloof and she turned out pretty friendly, even mid-game I was still expecting her to be more like that, since she was expecting to be Pathfinder in the case of Alec's death. She kind of mentions it a couple times, but (as with a lot of things actually) it turns out to not really mean anything really, for the game. Actually everybody turned out to be pretty easy to get to like you, or to settle their issues (Kallo vs. Gil), I was expecting more butting heads between the crew members or having one person be really upset if you chose the other in a dispute like Miranda vs. Jack, for example.
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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 21, 2017 8:26:52 GMT
Honestly, even if I weren't swearing off doing any het romances in this game on principle after the mishandling of Gil's romance, I can't say there's much drawing me in with the BroRyder/female character options. No matter what BioWare says, they could come down with a chorus of trumpeting angels from on high telling me that Cora is 25, and I will refuse to accept it - bare minimum, she is thirty, likely older. She talks about serving with the commandos for a few years, and no military is sending a raw recruit to train with alien nationals, to say nothing of the fact that, no matter her skill level, the commandos are an elite 'best of the best' organization, and THEY wouldn't accept a raw recruit in their ranks. Plus there's how she was Alec's second in command, next in line to be a Pathfinder - we see with Sarissa, Avitus, and Hayjer, the 'next in succession' on the official list are people with years of experience, which, again, a twenty-five year old DOES. NOT. HAVE. There is the better part of a decade between her and Ryder, no question of it.
I also feel like she kinda had a bit of a torch for Alec. Not necessarily anything she ever would have wanted to take that far, but I feel like her feelings for Alec were like right on the borderline of 'fatherly mentor figure' and 'guy I'm attracted to.' That's a total turn off for me. The dynamic between her and Ryder just can NOT break out of the older sister vibe. Which, honestly, makes the fact that they put so much time and effort into her romance baffling - I doubt I'm the only one walking away with these feelings, and so are they really saying that straight guys are in to this kind of thing?
Likewise, Peebee's romance involves the meld, and... Oh hell no. I have had consent and boundary issues with the asari meld since ME1, when it was a required plot point that Liara become more intimate with Shepard than most third dates potentially after their first meeting, and in front of an audience no less. I will NEVER romance any asari who wants to meld, under any circumstances. And sure, you can have a fling without her bringing it up, but I am not a 'fling' type - all in or nothing.
Really, the only straight romance I'm inclined to try is Vetra. She's an interesting character and I feel like I'd at least enjoy it. But I'm not going to do any of them as the only form of protest I can offer when I already bought the game.
I REALLY wish that the 'improvements' called for bringing the actors back to the studio so Gil can get new, Jill-free conversations, but I'm also not holding my breath. I really would cite him as a favorite romance if he had more genuine characterization and focus, but what little there is of his content puts so much emphasis on the hellbeast and spawn, and... GAH! There is the potential for him to give Kaidan a run for his money, but they just... they just didn't CARE!
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Post by caladrius on May 21, 2017 8:31:47 GMT
For Squadmates, I was honestly expecting Jaal to be like Evfra is so it was kind of a surprise he wasn't. I also expected Cora to be, well, the new Miranda when people kept describing her as the 'buxom blond' before we'd seen her. I'm very glad she was different, I don't think I could have dealt with all those unnecessary ass shots again. I don't think I had strong opinions on the other prior to release, and if I did, they probably ended up close to what I expected. eta: I also expected Jaal and/or Liam to be bi. But we all know how that turned out. I thought Cora's personality was going to be more like Miranda's, I hadn't heard that "buxom blond" thing (thank goodness for that) and I am glad she turned out different too...but I thought she'd be more aloof and she turned out pretty friendly, even mid-game I was still expecting her to be more like that, since she was expecting to be Pathfinder in the case of Alec's death. She kind of mentions it a couple times, but (as with a lot of things actually) it turns out to not really mean anything really, for the game. Actually everybody turned out to be pretty easy to get to like you, or to settle their issues (Kallo vs. Gil), I was expecting more butting heads between the crew members or having one person be really upset if you chose the other in a dispute like Miranda vs. Jack, for example. I thought Cora would be more like Cassandra, but basically my biggest surprise also was how quickly she came around to you being Pathfinder and how nice she was to you. It didn't really take much for her to be friendly with you. I think it's true, though, this whole group was very easy going. They're like the polar opposite of the DA2 cast atmosphere. lol
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Post by SofaJockey on May 21, 2017 8:33:46 GMT
The first impression was that Peebee was Sera, she's not as Sera is really insecure. It's hard for Drack to not be Wrex. Liam isn't Jacob, though the bar was set pretty low with Jacob, bless... Vectra, Cora and Jaal are fairly distinct in my view.
I'm not sure who the obvious 'fan favorites' are to return in future games (eventually).
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Post by caladrius on May 21, 2017 8:41:03 GMT
Honestly, even if I weren't swearing off doing any het romances in this game on principle after the mishandling of Gil's romance, I can't say there's much drawing me in with the BroRyder/female character options. No matter what BioWare says, they could come down with a chorus of trumpeting angels from on high telling me that Cora is 25, and I will refuse to accept it - bare minimum, she is thirty, likely older. She talks about serving with the commandos for a few years, and no military is sending a raw recruit to train with alien nationals, to say nothing of the fact that, no matter her skill level, the commandos are an elite 'best of the best' organization, and THEY wouldn't accept a raw recruit in their ranks. Plus there's how she was Alec's second in command, next in line to be a Pathfinder - we see with Sarissa, Avitus, and Hayjer, the 'next in succession' on the official list are people with years of experience, which, again, a twenty-five year old DOES. NOT. HAVE. There is the better part of a decade between her and Ryder, no question of it.
I also feel like she kinda had a bit of a torch for Alec. Not necessarily anything she ever would have wanted to take that far, but I feel like her feelings for Alec were like right on the borderline of 'fatherly mentor figure' and 'guy I'm attracted to.' That's a total turn off for me. The dynamic between her and Ryder just can NOT break out of the older sister vibe. Which, honestly, makes the fact that they put so much time and effort into her romance baffling - I doubt I'm the only one walking away with these feelings, and so are they really saying that straight guys are in to this kind of thing?
Likewise, Peebee's romance involves the meld, and... Oh hell no. I have had consent and boundary issues with the asari meld since ME1, when it was a required plot point that Liara become more intimate with Shepard than most third dates potentially after their first meeting, and in front of an audience no less. I will NEVER romance any asari who wants to meld, under any circumstances. And sure, you can have a fling without her bringing it up, but I am not a 'fling' type - all in or nothing.
Really, the only straight romance I'm inclined to try is Vetra. She's an interesting character and I feel like I'd at least enjoy it. But I'm not going to do any of them as the only form of protest I can offer when I already bought the game.
I REALLY wish that the 'improvements' called for bringing the actors back to the studio so Gil can get new, Jill-free conversations, but I'm also not holding my breath. I really would cite him as a favorite romance if he had more genuine characterization and focus, but what little there is of his content puts so much emphasis on the hellbeast and spawn, and... GAH! There is the potential for him to give Kaidan a run for his money, but they just... they just didn't CARE! Well, that's an.. interesting read on Cora. lol I didn't really get that she was into Alec. I thought she was supposed to serve as a sort of rival for the Pathfinder, that they both got something the other didn't from him. Cora was like a daughter to him, I thought. She got the training and fatherly bond that Ryder didn't get with Alec, yet it was still Ryder that ended up getting the position.
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Post by Joey on May 21, 2017 8:41:52 GMT
It's almost impossible to quote you, BansheeOwnage do you know that? By your snarky reply I assume you suggest I should hold a grudge to cespar when he genuinely apologized? Especially when mods are around? And why replying to me, while several people wrote the same thing to him?
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