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Post by Mir Aven on May 21, 2017 21:01:28 GMT
Or, you know, he's liking the "set aside $75 of every paycheck for MEA merch" part. he responded this if bi Jaal is never going to be a thing, better ignore all these comments and shut down the hopes of these people with a simple "No, what it's done it's done" but he liked a lot of comments in that hashtag, the first like was one of my tweets even. But ya know ME team :poop: My earlier post wasn't entirely serious I just hope people won't get disappointed like the last time.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 21, 2017 21:09:21 GMT
he responded this if bi Jaal is never going to be a thing, better ignore all these comments and shut down the hopes of these people with a simple "No, what it's done it's done" but he liked a lot of comments in that hashtag, the first like was one of my tweets even. But ya know ME team :poop: My earlier post wasn't entirely serious I just hope people won't get disappointed like the last time. Oh no I wasnt being bitter to you, but this situation XD because of that I put the Nathan Fillion gif I think the disappointment it's a given even if we try with all our strength expect nothing
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Post by Mir Aven on May 21, 2017 21:21:07 GMT
My earlier post wasn't entirely serious I just hope people won't get disappointed like the last time. Oh no I wasnt being bitter to you, but this situation XD because of that I put the Nathan Fillion gif I think the disappointment it's a given even if we try with all our strength expect nothing Oh, I know you weren't bitter. I just wanted to point out that I wasn't bitter either, because if someone took my earlier post seriously it may have sounded that way. Hope is a great thing, until it gets destroyed. I do hope that whatever Bioware does will make at least most of the disappointed people happy. I must say that I am really curious what they're going to do with the whole situation they got themselves in.
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Post by moderately incensed firmicute on May 21, 2017 23:12:35 GMT
hes bitter. I am too.. despite violently trying not to expect shit... stupid emotions.
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Post by Mir Aven on May 21, 2017 23:21:21 GMT
hes bitter. I am too.. despite violently trying not to expect shit... stupid emotions. The blessing and curse of human existence.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on May 21, 2017 23:50:01 GMT
Just for the record, Gamble is still liking comments in #makejaalbi queerbaiting? Who knows, but I'm stupid and this gives me hope :D8: I'm stupid too ;;
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Post by BansheeOwnage on May 21, 2017 23:50:46 GMT
1. Honestly, even if I weren't swearing off doing any het romances in this game on principle after the mishandling of Gil's romance, I can't say there's much drawing me in with the BroRyder/female character options. No matter what BioWare says, they could come down with a chorus of trumpeting angels from on high telling me that Cora is 25, and I will refuse to accept it - bare minimum, she is thirty, likely older. She talks about serving with the commandos for a few years, and no military is sending a raw recruit to train with alien nationals, to say nothing of the fact that, no matter her skill level, the commandos are an elite 'best of the best' organization, and THEY wouldn't accept a raw recruit in their ranks. Plus there's how she was Alec's second in command, next in line to be a Pathfinder - we see with Sarissa, Avitus, and Hayjer, the 'next in succession' on the official list are people with years of experience, which, again, a twenty-five year old DOES. NOT. HAVE. There is the better part of a decade between her and Ryder, no question of it. I also feel like she kinda had a bit of a torch for Alec. Not necessarily anything she ever would have wanted to take that far, but I feel like her feelings for Alec were like right on the borderline of 'fatherly mentor figure' and 'guy I'm attracted to.' That's a total turn off for me. The dynamic between her and Ryder just can NOT break out of the older sister vibe. Which, honestly, makes the fact that they put so much time and effort into her romance baffling - I doubt I'm the only one walking away with these feelings, and so are they really saying that straight guys are in to this kind of thing? 2. Likewise, Peebee's romance involves the meld, and... Oh hell no. I have had consent and boundary issues with the asari meld since ME1, when it was a required plot point that Liara become more intimate with Shepard than most third dates potentially after their first meeting, and in front of an audience no less. I will NEVER romance any asari who wants to meld, under any circumstances. And sure, you can have a fling without her bringing it up, but I am not a 'fling' type - all in or nothing. 3. Really, the only straight romance I'm inclined to try is Vetra. She's an interesting character and I feel like I'd at least enjoy it. But I'm not going to do any of them as the only form of protest I can offer when I already bought the game. (I added the numbers) 1. I had similar thoughts about Cora as well, but didn't think about how it would relate to romancing her since, you know, I can't. But I was also hoping her resentment would actually come into play more than it did, and take longer to go away. It's more rewarding if you have to work for something. 2. Your stance on melding is basically how I feel about SAM 3. Luckily, you can romance Vetra as Sara and therefore not do straight romances like you said! The first impression was that Peebee was Sera, she's not as Sera is really insecure. It's hard for Drack to not be Wrex. Liam isn't Jacob, though the bar was set pretty low with Jacob, bless... Vectra, Cora and Jaal are fairly distinct in my view. I'm not sure who the obvious 'fan favorites' are to return in future games (eventually).I think Jaal and Peebee are the most likely, but I've been wrong before. I hope the whole crew returns, even if some aren't squadmates anymore. And I'd like Suvi to be a squadmate. It's almost impossible to quote you, BansheeOwnage do you know that? By your snarky reply I assume you suggest I should hold a grudge to cespar when he genuinely apologized? Especially when mods are around? And why replying to me, while several people wrote the same thing to him? Actually no, I was just genuinely (and pleasantly) surprised at the making-up that was happening. Wasn't being snarky... that particular time And sorry I'm impossible to quote! I had the same read as you. One of the very first instances that showed this to me was the thing right before you head to Hab 7 with the Good Luck Rock (or whatever it was called). Scott had no idea what it was and Cora had to explain it.Blarg, we need to stop having dumb expository moments like this, where your character should really know something but has to ask a dumb question instead! Any news on "m/m fix" patch? It's almost end of May.. Bioware still mistakenly thinks not talking about it at all will help them, for some reason. Being silent about m/m content before launch made the whole situation a lot worse, so now they're doing it again? Yeah, sounds like them I like both Dorian and Gil because they're each a little bit broken and my first instinct is to want to hug them. After that, personality of the character comes into play, which is the hook for me. Here too, they both use humor to mask pain. They both also reveal their vulnerability to the Inquisitor/Pathfinder. They both allow themselves to trust this one person, opening themselves to the possibility of being hurt by that one person they hold above others.
None of the other romances have this specific combination. (I also prefer to romance male humans, so that is also a factor.) It's definitely not the same, or emphasized as much, but the bolded applies to Suvi to some extent as well. Though with Suvi it's less being personally broken and more hurting from leaving her family (and them all being dead), and feeling incredibly alone, hence one of the "flirts" saying she isn't alone. It's not stated directly as a reason, but it's why she is on the verge of breaking down after Sara kisses her, pleading "Don't do this to me... Not unless... you really mean it." That "opening themselves up to the possibility of being hurt by that one person they hold above others" thing you mentioned. Anyway, you're right that it really makes you want to hug them, and I could always use more hugs with all characters. And yet Suvi has no freaking hugs at all AAAAARRRGHGHH I am so use to never getting the LI I pine for (because it is usually the main story relevant LI) I was sure we wouldn't get Vetra. I think we compare Mass Effect to Dragon Age too much when it comes to romance expectation. Mass effect has never had a gay or lesbian LI squadmate and their crewmate content has never been DA:I adviser level. But I did believe they learned a lesson with Kaiden about always having at least a bisexual or gay LI of each gender on the squad. Jade empire can do this in 2006 but Andromeda can't?? It is so pathetic and they were proud of it? Yeah, my mistake was thinking of "Bioware" as one developer. Even if they were two teams, I thought they'd share advice a lot and learn from the mistakes of both franchises (something they say they do), especially since many writers work on both. But nope, they're very different studios, sadly. Expecting LGBT content and equality in the vein of DA:I was apparently foolhardy, even if it shouldn't have been It turned out she wasn't so bad and with time she became like a "sometimes annoying little sister" to my Rider despite the fact that she's way older. You spelled Ryder wrong, triggered. How dare you? The romances: Ah yes, these... 'PrettGoodBanging', 'more romances than ever,' and something about natural progression. Also, something something balance and distribution. Oh boy... We have dismissed that claim.As you said, you might get that if you romance Cora, or Jaal, or Peebee (as Scott), but you can forget it with everyone else. Which means straight guys are still the most important group by far, more important than straight women. It also means there are no m/m sex scenes at all, which in turn means that if you don't count Peebee's "lesbian" scene (which I don't, for obvious reasons), then there are no true same-sex scenes in the game at all, but 3 heavily choreographed, explicit straight ones. I feel important. Completely agree about that. They talked about how natural the romances would feel, with pacing etc., and... nope! Haha. It's all over the place. Also, I admire the singular focus you put into your posts. I may be stubborn enough to make multiquotes, but I wish I had your focus for specific topics. My brain is annoyingly active. i love that he opens up and tells you that he had really low parts, or that he is one of the first who just unconditionally tells you "hey, i'm sorry your dad died" I actually ended up liking Drack more than I expected to as well. This solidified our friendship: I am also perfectly fine with him sitting beside me during Movie Night.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 22, 2017 0:41:34 GMT
I am also really disappointed by the pacing of some romance arcs. The game can be played a lot after the final mission but they didn't think to include a short repeatable dialogue? To be fair, DAI also kinda sucked in post-game. All of the follower dialogues are closed down, you can't do the repeatable kiss with your LI; Skyhold is basically dead after you run around and talk to everyone the first time. Sure you can do some left over questing, go play Jaws of Hakkon and Descent, but it's not really the same. I get everything done before the final confrontation with Corypheus. None of those, so it had to have one of these... Er... when does she say this? Is this part of the non-romance dialogue? I looked at all of the romance variants for the scene. I had the same read as you. One of the very first instances that showed this to me was the thing right before you head to Hab 7 with the Good Luck Rock (or whatever it was called). Scott had no idea what it was and Cora had to explain it.Blarg, we need to stop having dumb expository moments like this, where your character should really know something but has to ask a dumb question instead! That's not why that is there, though. Scott/Sara isn't supposed to know this. Because of how Alec was so distant with his family, Cora knows him better. This point is brought up in various dialogues and in the memories as well; he feels guilty for not having been there as a father.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 1:02:36 GMT
None of those, so it had to have one of these... Er... when does she say this? Is this part of the non-romance dialogue? I looked at all of the romance variants for the scene. Yes it's the non-bonk version
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Post by Mir Aven on May 22, 2017 2:29:41 GMT
It turned out she wasn't so bad and with time she became like a "sometimes annoying little sister" to my Rider despite the fact that she's way older. You spelled Ryder wrong, triggered. How dare you? lol, I have no idea how that happened.
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Post by Dirk on May 22, 2017 2:32:07 GMT
Er... when does she say this? Is this part of the non-romance dialogue? I looked at all of the romance variants for the scene. Yes it's the non-bonk version Yuck. That's another reason why I will have to romance Gil in every playthrough. At least you can hold his hand and trigger Jill.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 2:46:48 GMT
Yes it's the non-bonk version Yuck. That's another reason why I will have to romance Gil in every playthrough. At least you can hold his hand and trigger Jill. Oh Jill will be triggered repeatedly.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 4:16:20 GMT
Just for the record, Gamble is still liking comments in #makejaalbi queerbaiting? Who knows, but I'm stupid and this gives me hope :D8: I'm stupid too ;; Neither of you are stupid. You are both beautiful and intelligent people. The way the dev's have made the romance distribution and the queer baiting are the real issue-it's really really messed up. I don't get why BioWare haven't given an answer to the whole situation. I feel bad for the people in the #MakeJaalBi tag. (and for myself and people here that still have hope)
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Post by dgcatanisiri on May 22, 2017 4:28:22 GMT
Neither of you are stupid. You are both beautiful and intelligent people. The way the dev's have made the romance distribution and the queer baiting are the real issue-it's really really messed up. I don't get why BioWare haven't given an answer to the whole situation. I feel bad for the people in the #MakeJaalBi tag. (and for myself and people here that still have hope) I know. I keep telling myself 'don't expect much, if it can't be done with what they already have, they're probably not going to do it, don't expect Jaal to be made bi because they don't want to be seen as 'caving' to demands to 'make him gay' or something...' All of that. But I actually do still have hope because... I mean, I WANT them to make this better, they're literally the only ones who can fix the problems they made, but experience says that what we got is the best we're going to get. It hurts that we have to beg to be treated like we matter, that we're so starved, losing anything might as well condemn us to death.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 4:32:52 GMT
Neither of you are stupid. You are both beautiful and intelligent people. The way the dev's have made the romance distribution and the queer baiting are the real issue-it's really really messed up. I don't get why BioWare haven't given an answer to the whole situation. I feel bad for the people in the #MakeJaalBi tag. (and for myself and people here that still have hope) I know. I keep telling myself 'don't expect much, if it can't be done with what they already have, they're probably not going to do it, don't expect Jaal to be made bi because they don't want to be seen as 'caving' to demands to 'make him gay' or something...' All of that. But I actually do still have hope because... I mean, I WANT them to make this better, they're literally the only ones who can fix the problems they made, but experience says that what we got is the best we're going to get. It hurts that we have to beg to be treated like we matter, that we're so starved, losing anything might as well condemn us to death. It's a shame that BioWare and people in general don't understand how bad this situation really is. I want to hope for the best, and that's all I can do I guess.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 22, 2017 4:43:43 GMT
I know. I keep telling myself 'don't expect much, if it can't be done with what they already have, they're probably not going to do it, don't expect Jaal to be made bi because they don't want to be seen as 'caving' to demands to 'make him gay' or something...' All of that. But I actually do still have hope because... I mean, I WANT them to make this better, they're literally the only ones who can fix the problems they made, but experience says that what we got is the best we're going to get. It hurts that we have to beg to be treated like we matter, that we're so starved, losing anything might as well condemn us to death. It's a shame that BioWare and people in general don't understand how bad this situation really is. I want to hope for the best, and that's all I can do I guess. Honestly, when I return to the tag, I don't know if I should have hope be upset, be salty, or what. All we can do is hope we aren't being baited. Again. As always. I read the hate, and I lose faith in humanity, but I never really had much to begin with. Nobody is perfect but damn, MEA really messed up this time around with the romances across the board. It is painful but predictable. I wish I saw it coming before I spent $200.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 22, 2017 5:03:51 GMT
Hey! Page 1989! I was born in 1989
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Post by kestrel on May 22, 2017 5:10:53 GMT
I want to hope for the best for making jaal bi as well.
Also, can you think how wonderfully salty all the homophobes will be if it happens?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 5:12:55 GMT
It's a shame that BioWare and people in general don't understand how bad this situation really is. I want to hope for the best, and that's all I can do I guess. Honestly, when I return to the tag, I don't know if I should have hope be upset, be salty, or what. All we can do is hope we aren't being baited. Again. As always. I read the hate, and I lose faith in humanity, but I never really had much to begin with. Nobody is perfect but damn, MEA really messed up this time around with the romances across the board. It is painful but predictable. I wish I saw it coming before I spent $200. Ouch, yeah I was lucky enough to get the game as a gift, but it is a shame how much it cost compared to the quality (especially at launch). I was not happy with the specifics-not even a little.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 22, 2017 5:13:15 GMT
Hey! Page 1989! I was born in 1989 Best year fam
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Hey! Page 1989! I was born in 1989 Happy sort of birthday!
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Post by Dirk on May 22, 2017 5:15:14 GMT
Hey! Page 1989! I was born in 1989 Best year fam Count me in the 89 club!
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 22, 2017 5:16:07 GMT
I want to hope for the best for making jaal bi as well. Also, can you think how wonderfully salty all the homophobes will be if it happens? I'm not gonna deny that I want it to happen (about 50%) to taste that precious salt
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Best year fam Count me in the 89 club! yay, both of my wolfie friends are the same age! Happy thread birth year!
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