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Post by Dirk on May 22, 2017 21:05:27 GMT
On a separate issue, I find it weird that Bio clearly designed Jaal as the "perfect" romance for women and somehow felt that it excused him being the only fully developed romance. Why is Liam's romance so much shorter? And Vetra's? And copy paste Peebee's sex scene? Why did they think "okay we've got this sweet male alien for women, that's enough. Let's go back to making more female options for Scott"? I also find it weird that Bioware's idea of a 'perfect' romance for women also has him constantly making comments about the physical appearance of other women on the crew. That's a pretty huge turn off, and it nearly put me off continuing with the romance. I'm very in favor of making Jaal bi, but I feel bad for any Scott that has to listen to his banter while trying to romance him. Off topic, but your cat is really really cute!
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Post by caterpillar on May 22, 2017 21:07:30 GMT
I also find it weird that Bioware's idea of a 'perfect' romance for women also has him constantly making comments about the physical appearance of other women on the crew. That's a pretty huge turn off, and it nearly put me off continuing with the romance. I'm very in favor of making Jaal bi, but I feel bad for any Scott that has to listen to his banter while trying to romance him. Off topic, but your cat is really really cute! Thank you! His name is Garrus.
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Post by tjmitchem on May 22, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
Eh, given how thirsty Ryder is, I didn't mind Jaal making comments about other women. It's his first time seeing the species, after all, so I would probably like "oh these are really attractive," too tbh. I thought this was actually a bug. I thought I saw somewhere that they put the marker that turns that off at the wrong place in the narrative.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 22:01:07 GMT
Bioware looked at the romance ratios and said "you know who would love this? Men"
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Post by katling on May 22, 2017 22:10:03 GMT
Ah, okay. I had a feeling you were referring to Rainier. I really wouldn't say he sleeps with the Inquisitor under false pretenses only because he repeatedly tries to talk her out of having a relationship with him and it is she that persists until he gives in. The romance with him is terrible in other ways like you mentioned but I don't think bedding under false pretenses is one of them. Also, I'm pretty sure his romance has an option where you don't have to sleep with him. Ugh, you have me defending Rainier. I guess it's open to interpretation, but I had several friends who were put off by him for this exact reason. The whole Rainier thing (and the barn, lol) was skeevy in their opinions. I never romanced the guy, though I like him a lot, but I can see where they're coming from. I also know a couple folks who couldn't romance Iron Bull after Trespasser, even on the Tal-Vashoth route. Just knowing that he was capable of that kind of malicious deceit (the Qunari/TV romance is nearly identical in Trespasser, down to the marriage proposal, which marks a major shift from the "we both know this isn't going to last" tone of the base game's Qunari path - he never says he loves you, iirc - and that bothered a lot of people), plus the whole boss/bas thing really ruined the romance for them. It just got a little too nasty to remain a fun, silly game fantasy. I think Solas gets a pass because he's a god, like yeah, he lied and left you but you also got to sleep with Fen'Harel, so it kind of evens out in the end, lol. Bioware writers do seem convinced that the height of romance for straight women is being repeatedly lied to, it's a little weird. Just re: the Iron Bull comment. It's not malicious deceit. It's deceit, sure, but it's not malicious. It would only be malicious if he does it of his own accord with no prompting but he doesn't. He only takes that path if the Inquisitor chooses the Qun over Bull's family. You get the warning there in that very mission. What was Bull's nickname under the Qun? Hissrad. Liar. Why was anyone surprised that if you essentially tell him that the Qun is more important than his feelings for his family that he agrees and goes back to what he was. And was apparently very, very good at. Hissrad. Liar. It was one of the few examples of Bioware actually giving us in game consequences for our choices. When it was revealed that Trespasser was going to include some sort of Qunari invasion plot, I was desperately hoping that choice would come back to bite us in the arse. And it did.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 22, 2017 22:26:28 GMT
Yeah, people shouldn't really be surprised when the hardened spy with a somewhat controlled psycho-sexual desire to horribly kill people decides to betrayal you for the sake of his people. I mean, Iron Bull only knew the Inquisitor for four years really and is only willing to side against the Qun when they've already ex-communicated him, which in my mind makes perfect sense.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 22, 2017 23:10:47 GMT
As for women claiming that making Jaal bi would 'ruin' his character? I don't know... is a general 'fuck you and your biphobia' considered a 'personal attack'? "Fuck you"? Yes. "Fuck your biphobia"?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 23:17:00 GMT
As for women claiming that making Jaal bi would 'ruin' his character? I don't know... is a general 'fuck you and your biphobia' considered a 'personal attack'? "Fuck you"? Yes. "Fuck your biphobia"? Funny how you've banned and warned people for saying that...
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Post by Dirk on May 22, 2017 23:23:25 GMT
"Fuck you"? Yes. "Fuck your biphobia"? Funny how you've banned and warned people for saying that...
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 22, 2017 23:36:43 GMT
Funny how you've banned and warned people for saying that... Source?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 23:41:29 GMT
Funny how you've banned and warned people for saying that... Source? Personal experience, I called out another user in a certain thread with their quotes and you sent me a warning for personal attacks,. So you have considered more polite versions of "fuck your homophobia/biphobia" personal attacks. Unless you're saying you want to reform otherwise I just can't believe you're on our side.
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Post by Dirk on May 22, 2017 23:45:43 GMT
Personal experience, I called out another user in a certain thread with their quotes and you sent me a warning for personal attacks,. So you have considered more polite versions of "fuck your homophobia/biphobia" personal attacks. Unless you're saying you want to reform otherwise I just can't believe you're on our side. But you have to understand that it may be the case that a user is so precious that quotes of what they said are personally attacking them, considering that a certain verb is now effectively banned on here.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 23, 2017 0:03:29 GMT
Personal experience, I called out another user in a certain thread with their quotes and you sent me a warning for personal attacks,. So you have considered more polite versions of "fuck your homophobia/biphobia" personal attacks. Unless you're saying you want to reform otherwise I just can't believe you're on our side. You mean followed a user in another thread with the sole intent of harassment and turning other people against them. That is against the rules, and so proper action was taken. It's one thing to express disagreement or even distaste for an opinion in the context of an ongoing relevant discussion. It's quite another to hound people from thread to thread metaphorically bashing their words over their heads. I will 100% support you saying "fuck your biphobia/homophobia" to someone you're having an argument with that happens to drop examples of either, because that's fully within the rules and your rights and I happen to agree with you. But if you go chasing after them days after the fact to pick a fight in an otherwise unrelated context, then we have a problem. The overall situation has been put to rest. The parties involved have agreed to keep to themselves, and we want to make sure that happens so no more issues arise. We're not on "sides". We just want to keep the peace.
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Post by Dirk on May 23, 2017 0:06:46 GMT
Personal experience, I called out another user in a certain thread with their quotes and you sent me a warning for personal attacks,. So you have considered more polite versions of "fuck your homophobia/biphobia" personal attacks. Unless you're saying you want to reform otherwise I just can't believe you're on our side. You mean followed a user in another thread with the sole intent of harassment and turning other people against them. That is against the rules, and so proper action was taken. It's one thing to express disagreement or even distaste for an opinion in the context of an ongoing relevant discussion. It's quite another to hound people from thread to thread metaphorically bashing their words over their heads. I will 100% support you saying "fuck your biphobia/homophobia" to someone you're having an argument with that happens to drop examples of either, because that's fully within the rules and your rights and I happen to agree with you. But if you go chasing after them days after the fact to pick a fight in an otherwise unrelated context, then we have a problem. The overall situation has been put to rest. The parties involved have agreed to keep to themselves, and we want to make sure that happens so no more issues arise. We're not on "sides". We just want to keep the peace. So does this mean that we can not callout homophobia/biphobia after a certain amount of time? I didn't know that homophobia has an expiration date.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 23, 2017 0:12:01 GMT
So does this mean that we can not callout homophobia/biphobia after a certain amount of time? I didn't know that homophobia has an expiration date. In an unrelated thread, out of the blue? I wouldn't call that posting in good faith, no. Would you like some shit you said however long ago suddenly brought up against you, in a completely different topic and setting? Does that seem like a welcoming, "safe" environment to you?
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Post by dhalion on May 23, 2017 0:12:37 GMT
Personal experience, I called out another user in a certain thread with their quotes and you sent me a warning for personal attacks,. So you have considered more polite versions of "fuck your homophobia/biphobia" personal attacks. Unless you're saying you want to reform otherwise I just can't believe you're on our side. You mean followed a user in another thread with the sole intent of harassment and turning other people against them. That is against the rules, and so proper action was taken. It's one thing to express disagreement or even distaste for an opinion in the context of an ongoing relevant discussion. It's quite another to hound people from thread to thread metaphorically bashing their words over their heads. I will 100% support you saying "fuck your biphobia/homophobia" to someone you're having an argument with that happens to drop examples of either, because that's fully within the rules and your rights and I happen to agree with you. But if you go chasing after them days after the fact to pick a fight in an otherwise unrelated context, then we have a problem. The overall situation has been put to rest. The parties involved have agreed to keep to themselves, and we want to make sure that happens so no more issues arise. We're not on "sides". We just want to keep the peace. So if I'm lurking in a thread and see something homophobic, I can't jump in to point it out? I have to wait for someone I'm arguing with for different reasons to happen to drop a homophobic comment in that particular argument? Am I understanding you correctly?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 0:13:26 GMT
Personal experience, I called out another user in a certain thread with their quotes and you sent me a warning for personal attacks,. So you have considered more polite versions of "fuck your homophobia/biphobia" personal attacks. Unless you're saying you want to reform otherwise I just can't believe you're on our side. You mean followed a user in another thread with the sole intent of harassment and turning other people against them. That is against the rules, and so proper action was taken. It's one thing to express disagreement or even distaste for an opinion in the context of an ongoing relevant discussion. It's quite another to hound people from thread to thread metaphorically bashing their words over their heads. I will 100% support you saying "fuck your biphobia/homophobia" to someone you're having an argument with that happens to drop examples of either, because that's fully within the rules and your rights and I happen to agree with you. But if you go chasing after them days after the fact to pick a fight in an otherwise unrelated context, then we have a problem. The overall situation has been put to rest. The parties involved have agreed to keep to themselves, and we want to make sure that happens so no more issues arise. We're not on "sides". We just want to keep the peace. It would be easier if said homophobia and biphobia was noticed then no one would telling anyone to fuck anything (apart from on topic discussions when it comes to romance options of course). Of course if someone does say fuck you to something hateful and said hate is obviously seen when it comes to the fuck you being actioned but is left in tact and unpunished it gives the impression that certain issues are not cared about. An impression I'm sure you want to change. Merely food for thought when it comes to future vigilance. But this tangent has gone on long enough. Back to relevant topics like cock romance.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 23, 2017 0:16:28 GMT
So if I'm lurking in a thread and see something homophobic, I can't jump in to point it out? I have to wait for someone I'm arguing with for different reasons to happen to drop a homophobic comment in that particular argument? Am I understanding you correctly? I don't think so, because what you describe is not even remotely similar. If you see something homophobic and you point it out, that's not jumping on someone for what they said x days ago is it?
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Post by Dirk on May 23, 2017 0:17:08 GMT
So does this mean that we can not callout homophobia/biphobia after a certain amount of time? I didn't know that homophobia has an expiration date. In an unrelated thread, out of the blue? I wouldn't call that posting in good faith, no. Would you like some shit you said however long ago suddenly brought up against you, in a completely different topic and setting? Does that seem like a welcoming, "safe" environment to you? Homophobia should not be welcomed, period. And its existence on BSN never makes me feel welcomed but I endure. And since it is okay to post homophobic shits any time and they are not removed, it should be okay to call them out any time without being removed. This is fair after all. No views should be protected from scrutiny on here. And I am fine if people are digging up what I have talked in the past since I am the only one who is responsible for what I post on here. I can deal with them or ignore them.
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Post by dhalion on May 23, 2017 0:17:10 GMT
So does this mean that we can not callout homophobia/biphobia after a certain amount of time? I didn't know that homophobia has an expiration date. In an unrelated thread, out of the blue? I wouldn't call that posting in good faith, no. Would you like some shit you said however long ago suddenly brought up against you, in a completely different topic and setting? Does that seem like a welcoming, "safe" environment to you? Well, me personally? I never say something on a public forum that I'm not willing to stick by. Maybe more people should be careful about what they post, because it never goes away.
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Post by dhalion on May 23, 2017 0:18:10 GMT
So if I'm lurking in a thread and see something homophobic, I can't jump in to point it out? I have to wait for someone I'm arguing with for different reasons to happen to drop a homophobic comment in that particular argument? Am I understanding you correctly? I don't think so, because what you describe is not even remotely similar. If you see something homophobic and you point it out, that's not jumping on someone for what they said x days ago is it? I'm wondering what your distinction is between "lurking a thread" and "following someone else to a thread."
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Post by Dirk on May 23, 2017 0:23:37 GMT
I don't think so, because what you describe is not even remotely similar. If you see something homophobic and you point it out, that's not jumping on someone for what they said x days ago is it? I'm wondering what your distinction is between "lurking a thread" and "following someone else to a thread." Also you could see a homophobic post when it was posted, but you still needed some time to form your opinion to response to it. So there could be some delay in responding to it. Or it was not clear if a post is homophobic when you first saw it, then after the time passed, you realized that with additional context, it was actually homophobic, so then your response was delayed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 23, 2017 0:24:12 GMT
I don't think so, because what you describe is not even remotely similar. If you see something homophobic and you point it out, that's not jumping on someone for what they said x days ago is it? I'm wondering what your distinction is between "lurking a thread" and "following someone else to a thread." If I had to guess, "lurking a thread" keeps the posts in the thread they were made while "following someone else to a thread" has the post go to a different thread. For example if someone says something bi/homophobic in the Romance thread and you are lurking and call them out in the Romance thread that is fine. However seeing it in the Romance thread but calling that person out in a different thread is not since that post was made in the Romance thread.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 23, 2017 0:25:12 GMT
It would be easier if said homophobia and biphobia was noticed then no one would telling anyone to fuck anything (apart from on topic discussions when it comes to romance options of course). Of course if someone does say fuck you to something hateful and said hate is obviously seen when it comes to the fuck you being actioned but is left in tact and unpunished it gives the impression that certain issues are not cared about. An impression I'm sure you want to change. Merely food for thought when it comes to future vigilance. But this tangent has gone on long enough. Back to relevant topics like cock romance. Yes, I have seen how that looks from the "other side". And it's not something I care to convey again. That is something that will not be repeated. Our actions will be clearer and less ambiguous. But we will also make sure to act on these less obvious causes of negativity.
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