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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 16:53:22 GMT
If there was an option to have Celene and Gaspard killed while Briala rules alone, I would take it. But instead I have Celene and Briala get back together because that seems like it'll have the best outcome for the elves going forward. I would kill all 3 and declare Orlais a dominion of Skyhold. Putting yourself into the civil war? Orlaisian might be divided between themselves, but there is nothing like an upstart outlander to unite them. Throwing your support behind one of the figureheads gets you the control you want, without all the rope to hang yourself. As Inquisitor, a major conquest is not within your reach. You can annex and hold a small remote area, but a major Empire... not even in a video game it makes sense.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on May 24, 2017 16:56:35 GMT
I would kill all 3 and declare Orlais a dominion of Skyhold. Putting yourself into the civil war? Orlaisian might be divided between themselves, but there is nothing like an upstart outlander to unite them. Throwing your support behind one of the figureheads gets you the control you want, without all the rope to hang yourself. As Inquisitor, a major conquest is not within your reach. You can annex and hold a small remote area, but a major Empire... not even in a video game it makes sense. Mostly I just wished that I could let Hakkon turn Orlais into his personal ice rink in the DLC . It would've been a dramatic personality improvement for most of the Orlesians.
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Post by Aurora on May 24, 2017 17:03:22 GMT
Ah, my birth year. we passed my birth year 10 pages ago
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:13:10 GMT
I would kill all 3 and declare Orlais a dominion of Skyhold. Putting yourself into the civil war? Orlaisian might be divided between themselves, but there is nothing like an upstart outlander to unite them. Throwing your support behind one of the figureheads gets you the control you want, without all the rope to hang yourself. As Inquisitor, a major conquest is not within your reach. You can annex and hold a small remote area, but a major Empire... not even in a video game it makes sense. Oh please. I was mage enough to defeat the entire Orlesian army single-handedly.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:14:39 GMT
I would kill all 3 and declare Orlais a dominion of Skyhold. I bet you also sacrifice the captured elves in Origins for that extra Constitution point. Uh, no? That's just cruel. But those 3 were all assholes.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 24, 2017 17:15:56 GMT
I bet you also sacrifice the captured elves in Origins for that extra Constitution point. Uh, no? That's just cruel. But those 3 were all assholes. What did Briala do that was so terrible?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:43:13 GMT
Uh, no? That's just cruel. But those 3 were all assholes. What did Briala do that was so terrible? Umm... she was an asshole who sent that poor elf woman into a trap to die?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 17:45:26 GMT
Putting yourself into the civil war? Orlaisian might be divided between themselves, but there is nothing like an upstart outlander to unite them. Throwing your support behind one of the figureheads gets you the control you want, without all the rope to hang yourself. As Inquisitor, a major conquest is not within your reach. You can annex and hold a small remote area, but a major Empire... not even in a video game it makes sense. Mostly I just wished that I could let Hakkon turn Orlais into his personal ice rink in the DLC . It would've been a dramatic personality improvement for most of the Orlesians. I missed the kind of diplomatic options Bounty Hunter had on Alderaan (sigh). But, well, if I were to build Inquisition into a state, I would not start with usurpation of Orlais crown. Overall though, it's hard for the DA protagonists to gain titles. Save for limited options in Origins...
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 24, 2017 17:53:54 GMT
What did Briala do that was so terrible? Umm... she was an asshole who sent that poor elf woman into a trap to die? I don't remember, I guess I better play that mission again, lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 18:05:44 GMT
Umm... she was an asshole who sent that poor elf woman into a trap to die? I don't remember, I guess I better play that mission again, lol. That's the kind of dedication that impresses me.
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Post by fadburger on May 24, 2017 18:24:28 GMT
Ah, my birth year. we passed my birth year 10 pages ago That's ok, we passed mine by 12 lol :D8:
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on May 24, 2017 18:36:06 GMT
Putting yourself into the civil war? Orlaisian might be divided between themselves, but there is nothing like an upstart outlander to unite them. Throwing your support behind one of the figureheads gets you the control you want, without all the rope to hang yourself. As Inquisitor, a major conquest is not within your reach. You can annex and hold a small remote area, but a major Empire... not even in a video game it makes sense. Mostly I just wished that I could let Hakkon turn Orlais into his personal ice rink in the DLC . It would've been a dramatic personality improvement for most of the Orlesians. Orlais really is a shitty country. It pretty much turns everyone who lives there for a long time into an asshole. Vivienne, Sera, Blackwall, Leliana. All of them did or probably did all kinds of terrible things in that place just because of how miserable and corrupt the country is. No wonder Shroud got the hell out of dodge and joined the Wardens.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 18:48:11 GMT
I actually found Briala ruling with Gaspard as the puppet ruler to be an interesting choice, tbh. Rather ironic when you take everything into account. I don't know how stable that is for the longterm, but I thought it fit the quest in a thematic sort of way. Unfortunately, the quest itself was a lot of wasted potential.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 24, 2017 19:00:56 GMT
I actually found Briala ruling with Gaspard as the puppet ruler to be an interesting choice, tbh. Rather ironic when you take everything into account. I don't know how stable that is for the longterm, but I thought it fit the quest in a thematic sort of way. Unfortunately, the quest itself was a lot of wasted potential. That seems to be the choice I fall into because I am bitter about the elf genocide.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 24, 2017 19:02:06 GMT
I actually found Briala ruling with Gaspard as the puppet ruler to be an interesting choice, tbh. Rather ironic when you take everything into account. I don't know how stable that is for the longterm, but I thought it fit the quest in a thematic sort of way. Unfortunately, the quest itself was a lot of wasted potential. That seems to be the choice I fall into because I am bitter about the elf genocide. So you put the guy whose followers and him hunt elves for sport in charge?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 19:08:57 GMT
That seems to be the choice I fall into because I am bitter about the elf genocide. So you put the guy whose followers and him hunt elves for sport in charge? If you think about it, it's the best revenge for that. He wants to be ruler so bad, the idealized sort of "absolute monarchy" where he goes out and starts wars and gets glory. However, when he gets what he wants, it's not at all the way he wanted it, with someone he's prejudiced against being the "true" ruler who tells him what to do. Imagine the constant humiliation he must feel. That's one reason I like this option. It turns expectations on its head while technically giving them both what they want in theory.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 24, 2017 19:11:24 GMT
So you put the guy whose followers and him hunt elves for sport in charge? If you think about it, it's the best revenge for that. He wants to be ruler so bad, the idealized sort of "absolute monarchy" where he goes out and starts wars and gets glory. However, when he gets what he wants, it's not at all the way he wanted it, with someone he's prejudiced against being the "true" ruler who tells him what to do. Imagine the constant humiliation he must feel. That's one reason I like this option. It turns expectations on its head while technically giving them both what they want in theory. I give it a few years until Briala suffers from "an unfortunate accident" and Gaspard gets to play with his toys.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 19:13:28 GMT
If you think about it, it's the best revenge for that. He wants to be ruler so bad, the idealized sort of "absolute monarchy" where he goes out and starts wars and gets glory. However, when he gets what he wants, it's not at all the way he wanted it, with someone he's prejudiced against being the "true" ruler who tells him what to do. Imagine the constant humiliation he must feel. That's one reason I like this option. It turns expectations on its head while technically giving them both what they want in theory. I give it a few years until Briala suffers from "an unfortunate accident" and Gaspard gets to play with his toys. Anyone who cares about the elves would not put Gaspard in charge, even as a puppet ruler. I never said it was stable, just that thematically it was an ironic outcome. Then again, it could be him that gets killed off once she's sick of being the shadow ruler. After all, she is the better at intrigue, of the two of them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 24, 2017 19:18:53 GMT
I give it a few years until Briala suffers from "an unfortunate accident" and Gaspard gets to play with his toys. Anyone who cares about the elves would not put Gaspard in charge, even as a puppet ruler. I never said it was stable, just that thematically it was an ironic outcome. Then again, it could be him that gets killed off once she's sick of being the shadow ruler. After all, she is the better at intrigue, of the two of them. Fair enough. It is ironic I agree with you, I just don't see it being ironic for long. Nah, she put herself into a corner with that since she could only ever be a shadow ruler. The moment she gets rid of Gaspard and tries to take legitimate control is the moment every elf in Orlais is exterminated. Luckily Briala seems smart enough to realize this, hence why she instead becomes Gaspard's puppet master or Celene's confidant if allowed.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 19:22:44 GMT
I never said it was stable, just that thematically it was an ironic outcome. Then again, it could be him that gets killed off once she's sick of being the shadow ruler. After all, she is the better at intrigue, of the two of them. Fair enough. It is ironic I agree with you, I just don't see it being ironic for long. Nah, she put herself into a corner with that since she could only ever be a shadow ruler. The moment she gets rid of Gaspard and tries to take legitimate control is the moment every elf in Orlais is exterminated. Luckily Briala seems smart enough to realize this, hence why she instead becomes Gaspard's puppet master or Celene's confidant if allowed. I think she's smart enough to find a replacement for him soon enough, someone more pliable. Maybe a young relative of his. Then, blackmail the regent. Or, hell, find a way to shock the court and become the regent herself.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 24, 2017 19:25:30 GMT
Fair enough. It is ironic I agree with you, I just don't see it being ironic for long. Nah, she put herself into a corner with that since she could only ever be a shadow ruler. The moment she gets rid of Gaspard and tries to take legitimate control is the moment every elf in Orlais is exterminated. Luckily Briala seems smart enough to realize this, hence why she instead becomes Gaspard's puppet master or Celene's confidant if allowed. I think she's smart enough to find a replacement for him soon enough, someone more pliable. Maybe a young relative of his. Then, blackmail the regent. Or, hell, find a way to shock the court and become the regent herself. That is more likely. I was just commenting on you saying she gets tired of being the shadow ruler. She may trade in one puppet for another, but she'll always keep to the shadows in the Gaspard route.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 24, 2017 19:28:59 GMT
I think she's smart enough to find a replacement for him soon enough, someone more pliable. Maybe a young relative of his. Then, blackmail the regent. Or, hell, find a way to shock the court and become the regent herself. That is more likely. I was just commenting on you saying she gets tired of being the shadow ruler. She may trade in one puppet for another, but she'll always keep to the shadows in the Gaspard route. To be fair, I think anyone would get tired of being shadow ruler if the actual ruler is Gaspard. Even the most clever, ambitious people would probably ragequit after a year or so.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 24, 2017 20:31:40 GMT
That seems to be the choice I fall into because I am bitter about the elf genocide. So you put the guy whose followers and him hunt elves for sport in charge? Well, I figured since Briala is the one actually calling the shots, it may equalize out, like he would stop. We have no indication anything happens in any case because our choices honestly don't matter. This is Bioware.
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Post by Dirk on May 24, 2017 21:23:31 GMT
I didn't read Masked Empire, so I think I lack the context of what's going on behind the scene in the Celene/Briala/Gaspard decision. So I'll usually have all of them work together.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 24, 2017 21:25:49 GMT
I didn't read Masked Empire, so I think I lack the context of what's going on behind the scene in the Celene/Briala/Gaspard decision. So I'll usually have all of them work together. Yeah, that's one thing I think MEA did a lot better than DAI. With MEA, even without reading Nexus Uprising you can still get a pretty good idea of what happened throughout the game whereas DAI assumes everyone has read the books so doesn't bother explaining much in regards to those events.
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