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Post by naytnavare on Jan 27, 2017 15:27:35 GMT
Folks, I don't mean to be rude, but I think everyone is forgetting a couple of important things, when it comes to nudity. In terms of rating and classification, it is a lot easier to get away with breast and butt nudity than showing penis. I don't think effort or inclusivity has everything to do with why there may not be any hard dicking action.
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Post by disgustednoise on Jan 27, 2017 15:38:35 GMT
Folks, I don't mean to be rude, but I think everyone is forgetting a couple of important things, when it comes to nudity. In terms of rating and classification, it is a lot easier to get away with breast and butt nudity than showing penis. I don't think effort or inclusivity has everything to do with why there may not be any hard dicking action. No one is asking for genitals, but what's the point of showing butts in a M/F and F/F scene, but not showing anything in the M/M scene?
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Post by naytnavare on Jan 27, 2017 17:15:46 GMT
Folks, I don't mean to be rude, but I think everyone is forgetting a couple of important things, when it comes to nudity. In terms of rating and classification, it is a lot easier to get away with breast and butt nudity than showing penis. I don't think effort or inclusivity has everything to do with why there may not be any hard dicking action. No one is asking for genitals, but what's the point of showing butts in a M/F and F/F scene, but not showing anything in the M/M scene? So... seeing butts would make the scene more valid, then? Look, I'm for nudity and sex in games. The shower scene with Traynor was stupid, the DAO scenes with full undies were stupid, but without knowing how the whoopee goes down, saying that lack of nudity is indicative of lack of support or care from Bioware is tantamount to histronics, to me. If the scene SHOULD have nudity based on context, fair. But if not, then not having it doesn't mean that Bioware is being neglectful. It's a lot harder to get away with male nudity waist down, regardless. "P
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Post by disgustednoise on Jan 27, 2017 17:58:24 GMT
No one is asking for genitals, but what's the point of showing butts in a M/F and F/F scene, but not showing anything in the M/M scene? So... seeing butts would make the scene more valid, then? Look, I'm for nudity and sex in games. The shower scene with Traynor was stupid, the DAO scenes with full undies were stupid, but without knowing how the whoopee goes down, saying that lack of nudity is indicative of lack of support or care from Bioware is tantamount to histronics, to me. If the scene SHOULD have nudity based on context, fair. But if not, then not having it doesn't mean that Bioware is being neglectful. It's a lot harder to get away with male nudity waist down, regardless. "P They're already showing M!Ryder's butt with a female partner. Literally the only difference in the M/M scene is that it's gay. I don't care about seeing nudity at all, but showing male nudity in scenes with a female partner and then not showing any nudity in scenes with a male partner is ridiculous.
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Post by fialka on Jan 27, 2017 18:16:55 GMT
So... updated speculation list, featuring confirmed characters so far (as in, what I believe will happen due to precedent and from released/leaked info, versus what my optimism wants me to say): Spoilered because this list is inspired by leaked info (though I don't specify what) so better safe than sorry: Female LIs: PeeBee: Bi Cora: Straight Vetra: Bi Lexi: Lesbian
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Post by Mihura on Jan 27, 2017 18:24:37 GMT
So... updated speculation list, featuring confirmed characters so far (as in, what I believe will happen due to precedent and from released/leaked info, versus what my optimism wants me to say): Spoilered because this list is inspired by leaked info (though I don't specify what) so better safe than sorry: Female LIs: PeeBee: Bi Cora: Straight Vetra: Bi Lexi: Lesbian
Male LIs: Liam: Straight Jaal: Bi Reyes: Gay
It is a good guess but who is Lexi? although I really hoped they would put the gay/lesbian in the npcs again but after the spoilers idk anymore.
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Post by fialka on Jan 27, 2017 18:35:32 GMT
So... updated speculation list, featuring confirmed characters so far (as in, what I believe will happen due to precedent and from released/leaked info, versus what my optimism wants me to say): Spoilered because this list is inspired by leaked info (though I don't specify what) so better safe than sorry: Female LIs: PeeBee: Bi Cora: Straight Vetra: Bi Lexi: Lesbian
Male LIs: Liam: Straight Jaal: Bi Reyes: Gay
It is a good guess but who is Lexi? although I really hope they do not put the gay/lesbian in the npcs again after the spoilers idk anymore. An Asari doctor, speculated to be on the Tempest. She seems pretty (there's a profile shot of her from a trailer in the Who's Who thread pinned at the top of this subforum), and was mentioned very early in development so I think she's important, and could be an LI. And since there is precedent of having the L/G characters be not squadmates, if there's a strictly lesbian option she would be my guess for it from the NPCs we've met so far. Of course this makes two asari and no humans for a female player... I dunno, but since Mass Effect doesn't have the best track record in offering variety to the LGBT players, well... Again, I hope I'm wrong! This is my guess based on precedent, not what I want to see or think is fair! I'd love it if Cora and Liam were bi as well to balance things out as a response to criticism for their past decisions in regards to romance, but... the cynical part of me doesn't expect much. I mean, you'll notice there's more female LIs than male in my hypothetical here, and as a straight woman I certainly hope I'm wrong on that too!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:43:56 GMT
Jaal, bi romance for Scott and Sara (no nudity for Scott scenes) Reyes, gay romance for Scott (some partially nudity) Yeah I'm a bit disappointed, cuz I don't care about alien romances (Jaal) and Reyes will not be in the squad, so aka Steve from ME3 I wanted bi/gay human male companion
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:48:04 GMT
Jaal, bi romance for Scott and Sara (no nudity for Scott scenes) Reyes, gay romance for Scott (some partially nudity) Yeah I'm a bit disappointed, cuz I don't care about alien romances (Jaal) and Reyes will not be in the squad, so aka Steve from ME3 I wanted bi/gay human male companion Why no nudity for Scott in a Jaal romance...just your guess or ist it from a leak?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:54:41 GMT
Jaal, bi romance for Scott and Sara (no nudity for Scott scenes) Reyes, gay romance for Scott (some partially nudity) Yeah I'm a bit disappointed, cuz I don't care about alien romances (Jaal) and Reyes will not be in the squad, so aka Steve from ME3 I wanted bi/gay human male companion Why no nudity for Scott in a Jaal romance...just your guess or ist it from a leak? Let's just say that I know someone who knows someone.. Besides, they already said that there will be no nudity/sex for some romances, and guess what, male/male will suffer the most lol Still there is hope there will be one more romance..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:56:13 GMT
Why no nudity for Scott in a Jaal romance...just your guess or ist it from a leak? Let's just say that I know someone wko knows someone.. Besides, they already said that there will be no nudity/sex for some romances, and guess what, male/male will suffer the most lol Still there is hope there will be one more romance..
But will there be nudity between Jaal and Sara? Because that would be really unfair...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:58:03 GMT
Let's just say that I know someone wko knows someone.. Besides, they already said that there will be no nudity/sex for some romances, and guess what, male/male will suffer the most lol Still there is hope there will be one more romance..
But will there be nudity between Jaal and Sara? Because that would be really unfair... Yup, the same goes for PeeBee and Scott romance, Sara will have more nudity in her sex scenes Sara scenes will include some boobs, some naked ass and Scott will be shirtless at most, but like I said there could be more romances with the crew where it will be different.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:00:29 GMT
But will there be nudity between Jaal and Sara? Because that would be really unfair... Yup, the same goes for PeeBee and Scott romance, Sara will have more nudity in her sex scenes I love you for revealing this! This just made my day! After Thane... well I was almost afraid to romance another alien!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:04:36 GMT
But will there be nudity between Jaal and Sara? Because that would be really unfair... Yup, the same goes for PeeBee and Scott romance, Sara will have more nudity in her sex scenes That is stupid. Scott and Sara have the same romance option and only Sara's sex scene has nudity? I don't understand the point of this decision. It seems to me as if the developers had been too lazy to give Scott a sex scene with Jaal as well. But that's unlikely because Peebee has a proper sex scene with both men and women as far as I know. That's really disappointing. It seems as if they wouldn't care about their gay fans. But well, maybe the leak/info isn't complete...I hope so...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:07:46 GMT
Yup, the same goes for PeeBee and Scott romance, Sara will have more nudity in her sex scenes I love you for revealing this! This just made my day! After Thane... well I was almost afraid to romance another alien! ?? Has all this been revealed via leak somewhere?
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 27, 2017 19:08:53 GMT
Yup, the same goes for PeeBee and Scott romance, Sara will have more nudity in her sex scenes That is stupid. Scott and Sara have the same romance option and only Sara's sex scene has nudity? I don't understand the point of this decision. It seems to me as if the developers had been too lazy to give Scott a sex scene with Jaal as well. But that's unlikely because Peebee has a proper sex scene with both men and women. That's really disappointing. It seems as if they wouldn't care about their gay fans. But well, maybe the leak/info isn't complete...I hope so... Probably the nudity will be all Sara's...because, you know...straight male's pleasures is always top priority... U_U
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:11:17 GMT
I love you for revealing this! This just made my day! After Thane... well I was almost afraid to romance another alien! ?? Has all this been revealed via leak somewhere? lukensen87 explained a few posts up under a spoiler tag.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:11:29 GMT
That is stupid. Scott and Sara have the same romance option and only Sara's sex scene has nudity? I don't understand the point of this decision. It seems to me as if the developers had been too lazy to give Scott a sex scene with Jaal as well. But that's unlikely because Peebee has a proper sex scene with both men and women. That's really disappointing. It seems as if they wouldn't care about their gay fans. But well, maybe the leak/info isn't complete...I hope so... Probably the nudity will be all Sara's...because, you know...straight male's pleasures is always top priority... U_U The more I hear about the romances the more I'm disappointed....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:18:24 GMT
Probably the nudity will be all Sara's...because, you know...straight male's pleasures is always top priority... U_U The more I hear about the romances the more I'm disappointed.... I wanted Jaal. Before I saw how he looked and we got glimpses of the Angara I knew I would romance one if I could. Jaal's looks and possible voice is just a bonus. I did want to romance a human too, but Liam is giving me bro vibes. Might play as Scott on my second playthrough so I can romance Cora.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 27, 2017 19:19:08 GMT
Probably the nudity will be all Sara's...because, you know...straight male's pleasures is always top priority... U_U The more I hear about the romances the more I'm disappointed.... I'm still hopeful. I would already be happy without the full armour/vest of DA2 (Feris was not only in full armour post sex, he even had his sword on, while Hawke was in her underweare! and no Jacob repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:20:19 GMT
The more I hear about the romances the more I'm disappointed.... I wanted Jaal. Before I saw how he looked and we got glimpses of the Angara I knew I would romance one if I could. Jaal's looks and possible voice is just a bonus. I did want to romance a human too, but Liam is giving me bro vibes. Might play as Scott on my second playthrough so I can romance Cora. I want Jaal too, but it's really unfair that only Sara has nudity with him....whats the point behind that stupid decision to exclude Scott, although he has a romance with him as well, according to the leak/info?
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Post by naytnavare on Jan 27, 2017 19:22:49 GMT
So... seeing butts would make the scene more valid, then? Look, I'm for nudity and sex in games. The shower scene with Traynor was stupid, the DAO scenes with full undies were stupid, but without knowing how the whoopee goes down, saying that lack of nudity is indicative of lack of support or care from Bioware is tantamount to histronics, to me. If the scene SHOULD have nudity based on context, fair. But if not, then not having it doesn't mean that Bioware is being neglectful. It's a lot harder to get away with male nudity waist down, regardless. "P They're already showing M!Ryder's butt with a female partner. Literally the only difference in the M/M scene is that it's gay. I don't care about seeing nudity at all, but showing male nudity in scenes with a female partner and then not showing any nudity in scenes with a male partner is ridiculous. And? We still don't know the context. Do you need to see butt to see Scott perform oral? They hinted at it for Sara and the femInquis. Do you need to see butt to imply every position? It seems part of the community is raising a pitchfork or claiming discrimination when we have, at most, the word of a friend of a poster, and regardless of that (and I want it to be true, because PeeBee), you don't need nudity to be damned hot. I know, I grew up with Encore and Stars late night channels as a kid! (For the love of Blasto, know that that was a joke, but the point stands.) If you're going to call discrimination based on what is and is not shown in a checkmark box list of body parts, you have bigger issues than a video game romantic relationship. ♡
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Post by AGECCR on Jan 27, 2017 19:22:50 GMT
That is stupid. Scott and Sara have the same romance option and only Sara's sex scene has nudity? I don't understand the point of this decision. It seems to me as if the developers had been too lazy to give Scott a sex scene with Jaal as well. But that's unlikely because Peebee has a proper sex scene with both men and women. That's really disappointing. It seems as if they wouldn't care about their gay fans. But well, maybe the leak/info isn't complete...I hope so... Probably the nudity will be all Sara's...because, you know...straight male's pleasures is always top priority... U_U I've said it before, I'll say it again: I don't want to be looking at my character. I want to see the guy.
We've had this problem with the Thane and Garrus scenes in the trilogy. They might be able to pull off that they don't know how to design the body of a turian or if it'd be off putting to some viewers (they have said this), but Thane's model would be easy, since he looks just like a male human (body wise).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:24:42 GMT
I wanted Jaal. Before I saw how he looked and we got glimpses of the Angara I knew I would romance one if I could. Jaal's looks and possible voice is just a bonus. I did want to romance a human too, but Liam is giving me bro vibes. Might play as Scott on my second playthrough so I can romance Cora. I want Jaal too, but it's really unfair that only Sara has nudity with him....whats the point behind that stupid decision to exclude Scott, although he has a romance with him as well, according to the leak/info? I'm glad guys get an alien romance and I agree about the nudity but I prefer Scott's scene. I'm a female and play a female, and seeing my own tits was weird enough when I romanced Bull and Blackwall, so I would have been fine with Scott-like scenes for my female Ryder. Maybe we'll get more than one love scene.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 27, 2017 19:28:07 GMT
The gay romances could still be spectacular, important and full of content even if the banging isn't as explicit as the other bangings... even though it does sound quite freaking weird for the devs not give gay romances the same focus on the sex like the others. Like what is their excuse? I can't come up with any.
Even so, fingers crossed for a good gay romance, because that's what matters to me.
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