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Post by Dirk on May 29, 2017 3:25:27 GMT
Alright, you want me to start a romance discussion? Next time, I hope the lesbian character rejects the male player character as brutally as possible. Next time I hope that the lesbian character says "I'm only interested in women" exactly, when flirted by male PCs. No "I'm sorry", nor "Lets keep this professional."
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 29, 2017 3:42:19 GMT
Nobody here doubts for a second that straight people are genuinely invested in always getting things their way. Yeah thats definitely what I meant good job I know what you meant. You're trying to sell people on the idea that Steelcan REALLY REALLY REALLY cares about his right to produce LGBT content. So you're either really gullible, or also enjoy gaslighting LGBT.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 29, 2017 3:43:41 GMT
Alright, you want me to start a romance discussion? Next time, I hope the lesbian character rejects the male player character as brutally as possible. If you pick the flirt option, she stabs you in the face and you get a non-standard game over. bye bye male player character
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Post by gaycaravaggio on May 29, 2017 3:45:14 GMT
Alright, you want me to start a romance discussion? Next time, I hope the lesbian character rejects the male player character as brutally as possible. Next time I hope that the lesbian character says "I'm only interested in women" exactly, when flirted by male PCs. No "I'm sorry", nor "Lets keep this professional." Yeah, why should she need to be sorry. For goodness sake. Either have her genuinely be like "I'm into women, not you," or don't let the male player character flirt with her in the first place.
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Post by Dirk on May 29, 2017 3:50:15 GMT
Next time I hope that the lesbian character says "I'm only interested in women" exactly, when flirted by male PCs. No "I'm sorry", nor "Lets keep this professional." Yeah, why should she need to be sorry. For goodness sake. Either have her genuinely be like "I'm into women, not you," or don't let the male player character flirt with her in the first place. Yep. I would love to see more no hetero scenes in general, but not allowing male PC flirt with her is fine too, since male PCs don't get to flirt with Jaal anyway so I guess it's fair.
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Post by lauratsoni on May 29, 2017 3:53:25 GMT
Yeah, why should she need to be sorry. For goodness sake. Either have her genuinely be like "I'm into women, not you," or don't let the male player character flirt with her in the first place. Yep. I would love to see more no hetero scenes in general, but not allowing male PC flirt with her is fine too, since male PCs don't get to flirt with Jaal anyway so I guess it's fair. both these options appeal to me greatly, but i have to say i'd be pretty happy with a lesbian character that a male pc can't flirt with at all. the thought fills me with warm fuzzies.
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Post by byne on May 29, 2017 3:56:57 GMT
Yeah thats definitely what I meant good job I know what you meant. You're trying to sell people on the idea that Steelcan REALLY REALLY REALLY cares about his right to produce LGBT content. So you're either really gullible, or also enjoy gaslighting LGBT. I dont know what you're even saying here? Why would steel care about making LGBT content? What does that have to do with my post at all?
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Post by Steelcan on May 29, 2017 3:58:49 GMT
I know what you meant. You're trying to sell people on the idea that Steelcan REALLY REALLY REALLY cares about his right to produce LGBT content. So you're either really gullible, or also enjoy gaslighting LGBT. I dont know what you're even saying here? Why would steel care about making LGBT content? What does that have to do with my post at all? I argued earlier than being straight doesn't impede someone's ability to write quality LGBT content, this was controversial
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 4:03:52 GMT
Yep. I would love to see more no hetero scenes in general, but not allowing male PC flirt with her is fine too, since male PCs don't get to flirt with Jaal anyway so I guess it's fair. both these options appeal to me greatly, but i have to say i'd be pretty happy with a lesbian character that a male pc can't flirt with at all. the thought fills me with warm fuzzies. I want them to have the full Cassandra experience. She seems into it... JUST KIDDING! You guys are too different. Not even the same gender! Obviously couldn't happen! What were you thinking? The flirting? Oh that was nothing. The saaalt the beautiful salt. Honestly I wouldn't mind if they got the Cora experience. She was actually pretty cool about it and tells you right away bluntly. Oh and people being upset that lgbt people tend to come to this thread?? Maybe it is because a lot of the character threads aren't very welcoming. Also the Andromeda M/M conversation and improvement to lgbt romances are a big romance related topic. Still relevant.
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Post by dhalion on May 29, 2017 4:04:53 GMT
I know what you meant. You're trying to sell people on the idea that Steelcan REALLY REALLY REALLY cares about his right to produce LGBT content. So you're either really gullible, or also enjoy gaslighting LGBT. I dont know what you're even saying here? Why would steel care about making LGBT content? What does that have to do with my post at all? If you'd bothered to read up on what's been going on in here before you jumped in, panda's post would make perfect sense. lol
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Post by Dirk on May 29, 2017 4:05:33 GMT
Yep. I would love to see more no hetero scenes in general, but not allowing male PC flirt with her is fine too, since male PCs don't get to flirt with Jaal anyway so I guess it's fair. both these options appeal to me greatly, but i have to say i'd be pretty happy with a lesbian character that a male pc can't flirt with at all. the thought fills me with warm fuzzies. Now, if you imagine, suppose we have two female characters: one which male PC cannot flirt, and the other with a blunt no-hetero scene. I think I need to mention that I don't find anything wrong with Suvi not saying she is not interested in men outright. Different lesbian people have different ways dealing with unwanted attraction and flirts, I suppose. But I would love to see a lesbian character is very confident and open about her sexuality, without the fear that her sexuality would offend men. It would be refreshing to see, considering that portrayal of lesbians in lots of media are for straight male gaze.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on May 29, 2017 4:08:21 GMT
I dont know what you're even saying here? Why would steel care about making LGBT content? What does that have to do with my post at all? I argued earlier than being straight doesn't impede someone's ability to write quality LGBT content, this was controversial And people told you that you are taking this wrongly, that straight people can write lgbtq characters too but we want to give lgbtq people a chance to write lgbtq in AAA companies and it's a fact that lgbtq count with personal experience. I even told you that three of my favorite pairings are written by three straight men, but you kept stiring the poop because you like to do it, at least that was you said amirite?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 4:10:45 GMT
I dont know what you're even saying here? Why would steel care about making LGBT content? What does that have to do with my post at all? I argued earlier than being straight doesn't impede someone's ability to write quality LGBT content, this was controversial we also argued that lgbt+ writers need to have a bigger platform, because currently, things for lgbt+ creators and representation itself isn't all that great. But one need not cancel out the other. Why is THAT so controversial?
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Post by byne on May 29, 2017 4:11:16 GMT
I dont know what you're even saying here? Why would steel care about making LGBT content? What does that have to do with my post at all? If you'd bothered to read up on what's been going on in here before you jumped in, panda's post would make perfect sense. lol Yeah, my deepest apologies on not reading back however many hours ago whatever you guys are on about took place, but that totally doesnt have anything to do with my comment at all. I simply said you can enjoy stirring shit up but not do it for a trolling reason, and just do it because you like to argue your views with others. This somehow means I am both highly gullible and a gaslighter I guess. Your avatar made me chuckle though, I like it
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Post by Steelcan on May 29, 2017 4:13:44 GMT
I argued earlier than being straight doesn't impede someone's ability to write quality LGBT content, this was controversial we also argued that lgbt+ writers need to have a bigger platform, because currently, things for lgbt+ creators and representation itself isn't all that great. But one need not cancel out the other. Why is THAT so controversial? I never argued against that. In fact I said I supported more LGBT writers. I had a caveat about mandating such writers, but that was it.
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Post by lauratsoni on May 29, 2017 4:18:10 GMT
both these options appeal to me greatly, but i have to say i'd be pretty happy with a lesbian character that a male pc can't flirt with at all. the thought fills me with warm fuzzies. I want them to have the full Cassandra experience. She seems into it... JUST KIDDING! You guys are too different. Not even the same gender! Obviously couldn't happen! What were you thinking? The flirting? Oh that was nothing. The saaalt the beautiful salt. DELICIOUS. god and you know they'd never do that to straight guys but it's so nice to think about. both these options appeal to me greatly, but i have to say i'd be pretty happy with a lesbian character that a male pc can't flirt with at all. the thought fills me with warm fuzzies. Now, if you imagine, suppose we have two female characters: one which male PC cannot flirt, and the other with a blunt no-hetero scene. I think I need to mention that I don't find anything wrong with Suvi not saying she is not interested in men outright. Different lesbian people have different ways dealing with unwanted attraction and flirts, I suppose. But I would love to see a lesbian character is very confident and open about her sexuality, without the fear that her sexuality would offend men. It would be refreshing to see, considering that portrayal of lesbians in lots of media are for straight male gaze. heavenly. :hearteyes: yeah, i hear you, definitely. 'i'd rather keep things professional/friendly' is a line i've used on guys myself, after i've sized them up and realised that they'd make a whole thing out of it if i told them i don't like dudes. and i'm generally not out and w/e. but with other dudes, in more casual settings, i just straight up tell them. and in a video game setting like mass effect, where the lesbian character doesn't have to worry about the things i do, i'd generally rather have her just say 'oh i don't date men'.
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Post by byne on May 29, 2017 4:18:31 GMT
both these options appeal to me greatly, but i have to say i'd be pretty happy with a lesbian character that a male pc can't flirt with at all. the thought fills me with warm fuzzies. I want them to have the full Cassandra experience. She seems into it... JUST KIDDING! You guys are too different. Not even the same gender! Obviously couldn't happen! What were you thinking? The flirting? Oh that was nothing. The saaalt the beautiful salt. Honestly I wouldn't mind if they got the Cora experience. She was actually pretty cool about it and tells you right away bluntly. Oh and people being upset that lgbt people tend to come to this thread?? Maybe it is because a lot of the character threads aren't very welcoming. Also the Andromeda M/M conversation and improvement to lgbt romances are a big romance related topic. Still relevant. Straight Cass is my second biggest DA:I romance disappointment. First biggest will always be lack of a proper Harding romance.
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Post by Dirk on May 29, 2017 4:18:36 GMT
both these options appeal to me greatly, but i have to say i'd be pretty happy with a lesbian character that a male pc can't flirt with at all. the thought fills me with warm fuzzies. I want them to have the full Cassandra experience. She seems into it... JUST KIDDING! You guys are too different. Not even the same gender! Obviously couldn't happen! What were you thinking? The flirting? Oh that was nothing. The saaalt the beautiful salt. Honestly I wouldn't mind if they got the Cora experience. She was actually pretty cool about it and tells you right away bluntly. Oh and people being upset that lgbt people tend to come to this thread?? Maybe it is because a lot of the character threads aren't very welcoming. Also the Andromeda M/M conversation and improvement to lgbt romances are a big romance related topic. Still relevant. Yep, only this thread, Gil thread, and gay KISA thread are the only welcoming places on BSN when it comes to lgbtq discussion. Sure we have to deal with trolls and homophobes from time to time, but their presence is quite limited compared to the cesspool that is the rest of BSN.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 4:23:29 GMT
we also argued that lgbt+ writers need to have a bigger platform, because currently, things for lgbt+ creators and representation itself isn't all that great. But one need not cancel out the other. Why is THAT so controversial? I never argued against that. In fact I said I supported more LGBT writers. I had a caveat about mandating such writers, but that was it. So the disagreement is just mandating it. I think that's fair to disagree with that. I still think there should still be more steps to elevate lgbt+ writers and this, at the moment, is one of the main scenarios how. If there is another solution, I am all ears. But if there were more straight writers really wanting to write quality lgbt+ content (stress on quality, not fetishising same sex activity), I certainly wouldn't be complaining at all. But even then, if that were the case, your brick and mortar bookstore would have just marginally more lgbt+ books. And there are a lot more lgbt+ writers just clamouring to get themselves heard.
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Post by dhalion on May 29, 2017 4:25:39 GMT
If you'd bothered to read up on what's been going on in here before you jumped in, panda's post would make perfect sense. lol Yeah, my deepest apologies on not reading back however many hours ago whatever you guys are on about took place, but that totally doesnt have anything to do with my comment at all. I simply said you can enjoy stirring shit up but not do it for a trolling reason, and just do it because you like to argue your views with others. This somehow means I am both highly gullible and a gaslighter I guess. Your avatar made me chuckle though, I like it That's fine not to want to read back, but my point was that the stuff happening right now, including the comments about trolling, are an evolution of a debate that began yesterday and that context is important and that people are going to use that context when other people jump in.
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Post by Steelcan on May 29, 2017 4:30:38 GMT
I never argued against that. In fact I said I supported more LGBT writers. I had a caveat about mandating such writers, but that was it. So the disagreement is just mandating it. I think that's fair to disagree with that. I still think there should still be more steps to elevate lgbt+ writers and this, at the moment, is one of the main scenarios how. If there is another solution, I am all ears. But if there were more straight writers really wanting to write quality lgbt+ content (stress on quality, not fetishising same sex activity), I certainly wouldn't be complaining at all. But even then, if that were the case, your brick and mortar bookstore would have just marginally more lgbt+ books. And there are a lot more lgbt+ writers just clamouring to get themselves heard. Well even if tomorrow every book store in the world received a free truckload of up and coming LGBT writers' works, that doesn't mean it would sell. There's clearly a market for such material and I'm glad that it exists.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 29, 2017 4:33:02 GMT
Next time I hope that the lesbian character says "I'm only interested in women" exactly, when flirted by male PCs. No "I'm sorry", nor "Lets keep this professional." Yeah, why should she need to be sorry. For goodness sake. Either have her genuinely be like "I'm into women, not you," or don't let the male player character flirt with her in the first place. Leaving sexuality out of it, it's something I would do. Being admired by someone is nice, and flattering, especially if you're already friends with them. I would feel bad for having to reject someone I genuinely liked (but not in that way), because being rejected is not a pleasant experience for anyone. I think the best you can do is to be clear and honest, without being an asshole about it. To me, it's not about sexuality. I don't expect that all lesbians, and all gay guys, are into all other lesbians and gay dudes. People have their likes and dislikes, and mesh well, or not, with other people. The same is true for a game NPC as well. I don't want to have to reject a LI in an unduly harsh manner, like with the red option in the Anders dialogue. I don't care about rivalry. The path I do take still gets me rivalry. But I purposely avoid the whole flirting path because I don't want to have to reject him in the scene because that dialogue option sucks and makes Hawke look like an asshole. That's just how I feel about it. I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling bad about rejecting someone, whatever the reason. That said... I do agree that the way Suvi's plays out is bullshit, especially since Gil is direct with Sera. In her case, it does feel like coddling the straight dudebros. I would prefer a more direct, honest exchange.
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Post by Dirk on May 29, 2017 4:35:48 GMT
Yeah, why should she need to be sorry. For goodness sake. Either have her genuinely be like "I'm into women, not you," or don't let the male player character flirt with her in the first place. Leaving sexuality out of it, it's something I would do. Being admired by someone is nice, and flattering, especially if you're already friends with them. I would feel bad for having to reject someone I genuinely liked (but not in that way), because being rejected is not a pleasant experience for anyone. I think the best you can do is to be clear and honest, without being an asshole about it. To me, it's not about sexuality. I don't expect that all lesbians, and all gay guys, are into all other lesbians and gay dudes. People have their likes and dislikes, and mesh well, or not, with other people. The same is true for a game NPC as well. I don't want to have to reject a LI in an unduly harsh manner, like with the red option in the Anders dialogue. I don't care about rivalry. The path I do take still gets me rivalry. But I purposely avoid the whole flirting path because I don't want to have to reject him in the scene because that dialogue option sucks and makes Hawke look like an asshole. That's just how I feel about it. I don't think there is anything wrong with feeling bad about rejecting someone, whatever the reason. That said... I do agree that the way Suvi's plays out is bullshit, especially since Gil is direct with Sera. In her case, it does feel like coddling the straight dudebros. I would prefer a more direct, honest exchange. I see what you mean. I think there is a line somewhere between being sorry for rejecting someone's advance and being sorry for their sexuality.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 4:39:56 GMT
So the disagreement is just mandating it. I think that's fair to disagree with that. I still think there should still be more steps to elevate lgbt+ writers and this, at the moment, is one of the main scenarios how. If there is another solution, I am all ears. But if there were more straight writers really wanting to write quality lgbt+ content (stress on quality, not fetishising same sex activity), I certainly wouldn't be complaining at all. But even then, if that were the case, your brick and mortar bookstore would have just marginally more lgbt+ books. And there are a lot more lgbt+ writers just clamouring to get themselves heard. Well even if tomorrow every book store in the world received a free truckload of up and coming LGBT writers' works, that doesn't mean it would sell. There's clearly a market for such material and I'm glad that it exists. But that has got to change. Saying that it wouldn't sell well doesn't help this current situation we're in and so we stagnate. Which is what we DON'T want. There's debate for the freedom to write lgbt+ content but in the next breath say there's no support for such material in public. You may be unaffected with the way things are, but for lgbt+ people, it's kinda shitty. So it's got to change somehow. Also, Check, Please!, Young Protectors, Nightrunner, Tripping Over You, and TJ & Amal (to name a few) have some words about "not selling well". They just aren't given the exposure in an actual store.
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