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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 3, 2017 8:31:14 GMT
Anyways, I want more important, plot relevant LGBT companions/squadmates that can't be killed off or easily shoved aside. It's not an issue of "player choice" but of gay shit being easily gotten rid of in comparison to hetero shit. Can you imagine a game where the gay characters are mandatory and unkillable (also plentiful) but there's only 2 straight characters and they are optional and can die. I mean would they still be happy with the specifics? Don't you know that being straight and having dozens of bangable chicks lying around the place is an important part of player choice?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 3, 2017 8:32:37 GMT
Can you imagine a game where the gay characters are mandatory and unkillable (also plentiful) but there's only 2 straight characters and they are optional and can die. I mean would they still be happy with the specifics? Only then will the they finally understand what it's like to be A Gay™ in fandom. They've actually been roleplaying as a neglected minority fanbase this entire time. :gasp:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 8:34:45 GMT
Can you imagine a game where the gay characters are mandatory and unkillable (also plentiful) but there's only 2 straight characters and they are optional and can die. I mean would they still be happy with the specifics? Don't you know that being straight and having dozens of bangable chicks lying around the place is an important part of player choice? That does seem to be the only choices that mattered to the MEA team for sure.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 3, 2017 8:35:03 GMT
Only then will the they finally understand what it's like to be A Gay™ in fandom. They've actually been roleplaying as a neglected minority fanbase this entire time. :gasp: Some franchise: This character is gay. (Some) Straight Fans: AAA the NERVE of these companies pandering to the gayz and leaving behind their true, loyal fans: us straight people freaking out about the gay. As a not-homophobe, I declare my HATRED of this stupid decision to be not homophobia because it is uh just me not wanting them to pander!
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Post by Joey on Jun 3, 2017 8:37:29 GMT
Omg, Dirk that troll face Jaal looks glourious with glitter. It fits him. He's gay anyway. Since I don't have anything useful to say (as always), I'll just post my old gif. Too busy to make new one.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 3, 2017 8:41:39 GMT
It'll be nice to see whatever improvement is planned to arrive ('soon'). Though my expectations of whatever it is gaining universal approval, are low...
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 3, 2017 8:53:06 GMT
It'll be nice to see whatever improvement is planned to arrive ('soon'). Though my expectations of whatever it is gaining universal approval, are low... Same. I'm trying to keep my expectations low - both in terms of having little faith in their motivation to have these improvements and in terms of what they could realistically pull off with a patch. I'll be surprised if it's anything beyond a couple new emails and a few animation tweaks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 8:53:22 GMT
Can you imagine a game where the gay characters are mandatory and unkillable (also plentiful) but there's only 2 straight characters and they are optional and can die. I mean would they still be happy with the specifics? Only then will the they finally understand what it's like to be A Gay™ in fandom. This is true. Sadly though they would just skip that game and go play one of the other 99% of games that cater only to them. doh!
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 3, 2017 8:54:39 GMT
Can you imagine a game where the gay characters are mandatory and unkillable (also plentiful) but there's only 2 straight characters and they are optional and can die. I mean would they still be happy with the specifics? Don't you know that being straight and having dozens of bangable chicks lying around the place is an important part of player choice? When will a bangable chick ravish me
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 3, 2017 8:55:10 GMT
The problem isn't that the mandatory characters were straight, the problem is that there were any mandatory characters at all. You just have to accept that part of Bioware's story-telling strategy is to have mandatory characters. There is really no debate here. They have them. They're not going anywhere. There is nothing you can do about it. You can talk about your ideal RPG situation all you want, but it doesn't change how these games are made. But since we have these mandatory characters, some of them should be LGBT. I don't mind mandatory characters as long as I can leave them at base if I don't care for them. I thought they were presented in a decent fashion in DAI. Because Cassandra, Solas, and Varric were all there before you joined, it just seemed natural that they stay. This is different from meeting some random person, having them say, "I'm tagging along!" and having no option to refuse. We still had the option to refuse everyone else. That's not nothing; those are still choices. I agree! It IS depressing that it's a thing that happens and that those same players feel the need to gleefully brag about it on the forums.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 9:00:33 GMT
Don't you know that being straight and having dozens of bangable chicks lying around the place is an important part of player choice? When will a bangable chick ravish me I thought Vetra already did?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Jun 3, 2017 9:05:18 GMT
When will a bangable chick ravish me I thought Vetra already did? In real life, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 9:14:21 GMT
I thought Vetra already did? In real life, though. Hmmm... I am sure it will happen before long. If I have learned anything from bonding with the posters here-it is there's a powerful thirst. I'm shocked you aren't in a ship already at least on the board.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 3, 2017 9:16:38 GMT
I thought Vetra already did? In real life, though. #prettygoodbanging will happen for you one day, I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 12:08:02 GMT
Don't you know that being straight and having dozens of bangable chicks lying around the place is an important part of player choice? When will a bangable chick ravish me Soon TM
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Post by Falon'Din on Jun 3, 2017 12:53:34 GMT
I finally caught up...a lot has happened. I missed so much. Potato hate. Some potato love. Drama. Interesting discussions. Lots of lovely posts. I even missed nickclark89's accidental porn post. If only I'd lurked like a good boy. :smh:
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 3, 2017 13:41:40 GMT
I finally caught up... a lot has happened. I missed so much. Potato hate. Some potato love. Drama. Interesting discussions. Lots of lovely posts. I'm wondering the amount of xp you got, your lurker powers should have been upgraded to god-like levels by now I even missed nickclark89's accidental porn post. If only I'd lurked like a good boy. :smh:
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 3, 2017 13:50:51 GMT
I finally caught up... a lot has happened. I missed so much. Potato hate. Some potato love. Drama. Interesting discussions. Lots of lovely posts. I even missed nickclark89's accidental porn post. If only I'd lurked like a good boy. :smh: Thanks for all the likes. XD
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Post by Falon'Din on Jun 3, 2017 14:08:35 GMT
I finally caught up... a lot has happened. I missed so much. Potato hate. Some potato love. Drama. Interesting discussions. Lots of lovely posts. I'm wondering the amount of xp you got, your lurker powers should have been upgraded to god-like levels by now I even missed nickclark89's accidental porn post. If only I'd lurked like a good boy. :smh: I've already got godly lurker powers...that's how I know it was you. Well that and there's only one Werewolf by Night here. I finally caught up... a lot has happened. I missed so much. Potato hate. Some potato love. Drama. Interesting discussions. Lots of lovely posts. I even missed nickclark89's accidental porn post. If only I'd lurked like a good boy. :smh: Thanks for all the likes. XD No problem. Thanks for all the great posts.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 3, 2017 14:22:33 GMT
I've already got godly lurker powers...that's how I know it was you. Well that and there's only one Werewolf by Night here. teehee Look young man, I need to know, because the fact that you know that the one in my avatar it's Werewolf by Night and you liked a lot of my woofy swoonings, are you a werewolf trash too? I'm recruiting people
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 3, 2017 14:52:05 GMT
I finally caught up... a lot has happened. I missed so much. Potato hate. Some potato love. Drama. Interesting discussions. Lots of lovely posts. I even missed nickclark89's accidental porn post. If only I'd lurked like a good boy. :smh:
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 3, 2017 15:00:42 GMT
I finally caught up... a lot has happened. I missed so much. Potato hate. Some potato love. Drama. Interesting discussions. Lots of lovely posts. I even missed nickclark89's accidental porn post. If only I'd lurked like a good boy. :smh:
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Post by Ryzaki on Jun 3, 2017 16:38:08 GMT
Anyways, I want more important, plot relevant LGBT companions/squadmates that can't be killed off or easily shoved aside. It's not an issue of "player choice" but of gay shit being easily gotten rid of in comparison to hetero shit. Can you imagine a game where the gay characters are mandatory and unkillable (also plentiful) but there's only 2 straight characters and they are optional and can die. I mean would they still be happy with the specifics? Sure why would I care? Most of BW's melodrama bs is shoved onto the forced mandatory people anyway.
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 3, 2017 21:25:33 GMT
The problem isn't that the mandatory characters were straight, the problem is that there were any mandatory characters at all. Why should I have to put with Alistair's manbaby antics, Aveline's constantly butting into my life (or that mine couldn't progress unless I dealt with hers), Cassandra's bullying, or both Varric and Solas keeping vital information secret? The player should have had agency to deal with all Companions and Advisors as they see fit, regardless of orientation. The notion that the only reason someone would kick or kill these characters is homophobia is really depressing at this point. It can't possibly be because Zevran tried to kill you, is an amoral and unrepentant murderer, and could try again unless you befriend him. It can't be because Anders deserted the Grey Wardens, mind raped and corrupted Justice with their merging, is an Abomination, and murdered hundreds of innocents in a terrorist attack that led to an even greater war. No, only homophobia . "Well, that's why we need a perfect gay KISA in DA4 that cannot be opposed whatsoever" some might say? Because yes, let's have even less roleplaying options in a role playing game. A game with no avenues for players who want to play ruthlessly ambitious Magiters, amoral mercenaries, or radical revolutionaries. Because Maker forbid anyone recognize that this just a game, and not a reflection of their real life views.
Dude, why are you still arguing this? Honestly? Because one my greatest strengths is also one of my greatest weaknesses; more often than not, I am a stubborn, argumentative contrarian . I'm not as bad as I used to be and trying to improve, but it's still there. Along with standing up for something I believe in, there's the slim hope that I can convince someone, anyone to give my point of view a chance. Especially if it's a lost cause. In retrospect, I realize part of the problem here is that I didn't clarify a few things. Just because I oppose mandatory characters in general, does NOT mean I think the PC should be able to murder everyone at random. Far too many people were focusing on the kill option, rather than simply being able to part ways (seek other friends or lovers, fire them or quit, etcetera...)with Companions. Also, I reject the notion that Companions' lives must begin and end with the PC's involvement. Having friendship and influence is one thing, but it makes them spineless and incompetent if they can't get anything done without the Hero. A character's life improves or worsens based on the PC's actions? Great! That same character stays in a tavern and doesn't do anything just because you never recruited them? HELL NO! Probably more than anything else, the "spin" is because of comments like this: I have never argued against inclusion and diversity; the more interesting and complex LBGTQ characters, the better. Yet because I disagree on a few particulars, all my arguments are strawmanned and my positions Godwinned. I guess all the times I praised Dorian's growth, or supported Maevaris Tilani (a transwoman) over Calpernia (a currently straight cis woman) as a Dragon Age 4 Mage Companion were just flukes . Also, this idea that just because you to occasionally play the story of a villain obviously means you have real life sociopathic tendencies, would be freaking hilarious, if it already wasn't pathetic. I don't want evil RP options just for the lulz, I actually WANT to see my character hated, and actually have to deal with the consequences. I WANT to work harder and find alternate solutions when I don't have the same allies and resources. If all I were really interested in was to be a Villain Sue, I'd just play any Grand Theft Auto game. Consequently, I ALSO want to roleplay pure heroes, antiheroes, tricksters, commoners in way over their heads, and everything in between. But because I'm interested in one or two evil and/or ruthlessly pragmatic runs, that somehow makes me a bigoted psycho. God, it's like I'm back in high school . Look, I'm a big boy, and at the end of the day I'm not going to get that upset over a damn video game. It just gets a little annoying and tiresome when some accuses me of something so far removed from my actual statements, they may as well not be addressing me at all.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 4, 2017 0:12:28 GMT
Have you considered making your actual statements more in line with what people are currently discussing?
You know, as opposed to trying to distract from the issue with unnecessarily long essays about what "RPGs should be"?
Because we're not talking about what RPGs should be. We're talking about what we want in terms of LGBT representation.
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