The Character Romance thread (Official)

I agree Drack is not likely. I just put him because he is still a slight possibility, and him not being a romance option may actually give them more wiggle room to include a new m/m romance. Plus it'd be interesting to see if the first krogan LI is m/m exclusive. As for Liam, they could easily take that dialogue where he talks about only being interested in women out and replaced with a line that shows attraction to men as well. I've seen quite a few people talk about how they think he would have been a good option for m/m so who knows. Though you pointing out that still leaves no alien LI is a good point. 

To be "fair" he's not wrong that he's been tweeting that a patch is coming, and that's not the issue itself...but what the patch CONTAINS remains a mystery lol

Make your own corner! 

There was also a comment from Mike Gamble that they 'were happy with the specifics' of romances, and I believe that one was specifically in reference to gay LIs. Plus there was a great deal of asking - begging, pleading, really - for a list of LIs and their sexualities prior to release, with the only response being 'it's more fun to play the game and experience it for yourself!' Even after queer players said, specifically, that for many these games are an escape from homophobia and fear in their lives, so the idea of knowing who was and was not romanceable ahead of time was something that we wanted so that we weren't setting ourselves up for rejection by pinning our hopes on certain characters. Meanwhile, at the same time the developers are adamantly refusing to say anything, they released trailers that confirmed first Cora and then Peebee as romances for BroRyder specifically. They were dropping hints of Liam and Jaal as SisRyder options. They were dancing around the elephant in the room of same-sex romances with these characters.

The official reveal of Gil's very EXISTENCE came on the heels of a journalist who'd gotten to play like the first ten hours or so, flirted with Liam with BroRyder, and got the 'no homo' reaction. This was just a couple of weeks before release, after a lot of refusal to be direct to gay players asking 'what about us? What are our options? Can we romance this character?' Players were responding to the various tweets that hinted at Jaal and Liam as SisRyder options by asking if BroRyder could romance them as well, and instead of a direct answer - a direct answer that they very much knew the answer to AND knew it could cost them sales if they answered it because of the fact that they knew it was shorting these players - they just kept being disingenuous.

There were, in specific, fans tweeting them, saying specifically 'hey, the fear of not just rejection but the fear that approaching someone and learning they're straight, potentially putting our safety at risk is part of our everyday life, so we'd rather not go through that in our escapist fantasy.' But all that we got in return was 'we won't take away the fun of discovery.' When what there was to 'discover' was significantly less than what straight players were able to 'discover.'

Likewise, given Mass Effect's history with M/M relationships, we were more than a little gun shy in the first place - they had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to include them in the first place, and only managed to bring themselves to do so in the third game, where romances were really at their shallowest. To date, there has only been one bisexual male party member in the SERIES, in all four games. And despite being a character in three games, he's only a male romance option in one. And the male ship romance options of Gil and Steve Cortez are characters who receive less content because they're not on missions with the PC. Also, both characters (as well as Traynor and Suvi) did not have dedicated face designs like the other human romance options, where they were built via the character creator, so a player could conceivably romance them with an identical PC.

The fact that it actually HELPED Dragon Age Inquisition to have openly gay and bisexual characters in the actual squad itself makes it all worse - BioWare was praised for it, the game won Game of the Year, we expected that, if nothing else, Andromeda would follow that model. But instead, they took a KNOWING step back.

Yes, I know that, but his response made me think that: ''What do you want more to hear? You already know too much about the upcoming patch'' 

 Nvm, it still does not change anything, as we don't know sh*t.

But...but...

Jaal WAS bi at one point. The proof is in the pudding. Why else would Scott's VA record dialogue for the post-Jaal sex scene discussion with Lexi. Why else would the datamines show what it did. Why else would Jaal have NO flirt->rejection scene with Scott even though BW said that you can flirt with anyone and be turned down.

Anyway, if BW would just promise that bi Jaal is happening, I could wait for like, a month or two more *SHRUG*

My concern is, would the devs really do this again after the pain and misery that occurred back in March and continued through the months? Could they actually release this patch without any male squadmate romance or keep Jaal straight and expect everyone to be happy? I don't see it. They have to know by now that there's only one way to fix this mess, and improving Gil and Reyes won't work. Heck they could make Reyes a squadmate, but you still won't get to complete the achievement. I'm about 85% positive Jaal will be bi. I'd raise the percentage higher, but marketing is in charge of things and we know how well that turned out last time.

Yep, to fix the achievement they need to introduce third male/male romance option, or make Jaal bi, or change achievement to only 2 needed romances (unlikely).

While I doubt that Jaal will be bi, I'm very curious what will BW do in this regard..


Still all that Twitter baiting reminds me of March 2017...

Absolutely. The whole point has been that they repeatedly DO. NOT. GET. IT. Like... the whole reason we're riding them this hard is that we were baited and jerked around once before, and we're not content to let it happen again, but instead of being upfront and open, they've engaged in nothing but vagueness about this patch and what 'improvements' actually means.

MEA devs: "soon"
MEA devs: "very happy"

ya learned nothing did ya