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Post by Pokemario on Jun 7, 2017 7:13:15 GMT
Tbh I would have preferred it if they'd added a bi/gay male companion in a DLC.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 7, 2017 7:16:18 GMT
Tbh I would have preferred it if they'd added a bi/gay male companion in a DLC. That would mean gay men have to pay extra for what can only be scraps. I'd rather take my free content lol.
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Post by riou on Jun 7, 2017 7:36:50 GMT
He isn't wrong with that line of thought though. People are going to use changing Jaal's sexuality to ask for the same. I've already seen nebulous forms of it with Suvi and Sera. It doesn't say anything about the validity of those positions (ie the reasoning for both of those is that they just didn't like the other options, not that there were no other options) but he's not wrong when he said a precedent has been set. OTOH they did do it with Kaidan too so maybe it doesn't need to be read as a complete abandonment of "sexuality is an important part of the character" they've had going since DA2. Btw has the patch actually been released yet? I was so looking forward to a new CC when I went to bed last night. Any so called "precedent" that is allegedly "set" by this example is fake and likely engineered. Both Gil and Suvi make it explicitly clear who they are and are not attracted to. In fact, the function was touted by the devs as a selling point: Characters wouldn't lead you on or make you wait, you'd know right away if they were interested or not. Jaal is the only character for whom this didn't apply. His code was vague, fully voiced lines referencing a romance exist in the programming, and he's the only character Scott cannot even attempt to flirt with, of all flirtable options. People can try to say a precedent has been set but it hasn't. If Bioware hadn't been so nebulous and wishy-washy with this, if they hadn't made the mistake in the first place, no-one would've felt the need to speak out for it.
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Post by Fredward on Jun 7, 2017 7:37:40 GMT
About Jaal always being bi (btw I'm at least half talking to figure out where I stand on these things for myself so sorry if I'm out of step/rehasing crossed ground) I don't find the "he had dialogue!" argument convincing. Lots of characters have dialogue for romances they never have access to and Bioware has straight up said they record all dialogue cuz it winds up cheaper, somehow.
Now, to counter that, there are 1) I'm pretty sure while marketing kissable mm aliens were suggested/implied/confirmed, I might be misremembering though or I might be a naive petal and they just lied.
2) There are some things in the game which are not like the others, Jaal doesn't reject Scott even though everyone else does whose just not that into him. Instead of a rejection there is only absence, it kinda look like something was just cut out. But I might only be seeing what I wanna see.
3) Having an achievement for romancing three characters that excludes only gay men is really, really atrocious optics. I find it hard to believe someone at Bioware came up with that, it was approved and released all while knowing they're leaving The Gaystm out in the cold. I find it more believable to think it was greenlit, forgotten about and then something happened to have Jaal removed.
4) They chose to add Jaal as a romance option instead of simply adding content to Reyes/Gil. A "brand new" romance instead of elaborating on existing ones. Intuitively I find this odd, it seems like a lot more work. UNLESS ofc, it's always been there. It would probably have been less work to dust off and finish/finish polishing a romance vs adding genuinely new content to existing ones. Vs this there's the genuinely baffling question as to why it wasn't in at release. I mean they could just have run out of time but then I really don't understand why they don't just say "we ran out of time." I have this amusing mental picture of some exec seeing Jaal's gay content and going "Noooo, Jaal has to be out straight alien bro for out straight male audience they'll be mad if they don't have someone to be homoromantic BUT VERY MUCH NOT homoerotic with. Straight alien bro. In a straight fashion. Straight." Man, that person must be kicking themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 7:43:22 GMT
Tbh I would have preferred it if they'd added a bi/gay male companion in a DLC. Hmm... gay/bi male players paying more on top of the base game for content equal to what straight men and women, and queer women, already have at the very start... Hmm...
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Post by riou on Jun 7, 2017 7:45:15 GMT
Tbh I would have preferred it if they'd added a bi/gay male companion in a DLC. Hmm... gay/bi male players paying more on top of the base game for content equal to what straight men and women, and queer women, already have at the very start... Hmm... Yeah, that would've been incredibly shady and nasty of them. Make the balance equal to begin with and THEN feel free to add in DLC options. But only when the playing field is equal from the get-go.
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Post by areskeith on Jun 7, 2017 7:53:33 GMT
I'm not exactly seeing the big issue from BioFan's post....
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 7:57:14 GMT
I'm not exactly seeing the big issue from BioFan's post.... He claims that if Jaal is made bi, then Dorian, Sera, Suvi, and more can just be altered. He doesn't grasp the concept that Jaal was not made bi. They didn't force it or change the character. Jaal never was straight, they didn't even have a rejection line for Scott. It just was nonexistent. Jaal was simply deleted from the m/m side of the game. Now, they're re-implementing a better romance for Jaal x Scott with new animations and VA. BioFan is full of self-hate and just introduced a bunch of biphobic and homophobic fans to his side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 8:04:57 GMT
They patched it. Though I think the new awful sports outfit still goes invisible sometimes. BansheeOwnage posted the funniest picture of it the other day! I probably wasn't going to wear the sports outfit, anyway. Although, I kind of like the Blasto! logo. I might be the only one. lol Was just wondering if they fixed that glitch where the items rolled over and glitched progression for it. It would suck if I finally got a date and couldn't go to movie night. :gasp: OH, I didn't know that was a thing really. Hmmm...oh well, if I don't get the Jaal movie date-I'll just have to romance him again with a new game.
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Post by areskeith on Jun 7, 2017 8:05:41 GMT
I'm not exactly seeing the big issue from BioFan's post.... He claims that if Jaal is made bi, then Dorian, Sera, Suvi, and more can just be altered. He doesn't grasp the concept that Jaal was not made bi. They didn't force it or change the character. Jaal never was straight, they didn't even have a rejection line for Scott. It just was nonexistent. Jaal was simply deleted from the m/m side of the game. Now, they're re-implementing a better romance for Jaal x Scott with new animations and VA. BioFan is full of self-hate and just introduced a bunch of biphobic and homophobic fans to his side. He's not say they can be, what he's saying is that because of this people will try to use it as an example to try and have x character made an option because they don't like their current ones ( And no I'm not saying this situation in that boat) And this last line in just unnecessary and out right attacking BioFan for having an honest opinion
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 8:24:21 GMT
He claims that if Jaal is made bi, then Dorian, Sera, Suvi, and more can just be altered. He doesn't grasp the concept that Jaal was not made bi. They didn't force it or change the character. Jaal never was straight, they didn't even have a rejection line for Scott. It just was nonexistent. Jaal was simply deleted from the m/m side of the game. Now, they're re-implementing a better romance for Jaal x Scott with new animations and VA. BioFan is full of self-hate and just introduced a bunch of biphobic and homophobic fans to his side. He's not say they can be, what he's saying is that because of this people will try to use it as an example to try and have x character made an option because they don't like their current ones ( And no I'm saying this situation in that boat) And this last line in just unnecessary and out right attacking BioFan for having an honest opinion Jaal wasn't made bisexual because we were unhappy with Gil and Reyes. He was made this way because we didn't get a squadmate. We didn't have enough for the achievement. The entire movement was about representation, and us not having a m/m squadmate made the devs look pretty homophobic. Nowhere in the future of this franchise or any at Bioware will there be more LGBT options over heterosexual options. They will never change Sera or Suvi or Dorian to give straight people even MORE options. BioFan is making it seem like that is going to happen next, like because of this, everyone is free game. No, this is about representation, not about us wanting to bone Jaal. How obtuse can these people be?
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 7, 2017 8:25:16 GMT
I'm sure this Jaal change/addition will provide ammo for any group unhappy with bioware romances in future games. However i don't feel that is justification to preclude the change happening when that's the only real way to provide the improved content for gay men. Still find it bizarre that they thought going into the game without a squadmate available for gay men was a sensible choice.
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Post by caladrius on Jun 7, 2017 8:25:43 GMT
The thing with "the precedent" argument is that it needs to take into consideration the full context of the situation. Bioware set a precedent that, if they brutally short one demographic on options, they'll be open to fixing it later. That's great! I'm very glad they did so. If it ever so happens that straight people are left with two light NPC romances while the gays get five options of which 2-3 are squad and multiples are plot important I will say, yeah, the Jaal precedent! Make one of these gays bi and even things out! They did not set a precedent that you just get whatever romance you want because you bitched. If you're looking at this in a vacuum, that's either uninformed or purposely obtuse. I'm sure Bioware will also rightfully see it that way.
Jaal being bi was the best option to fix the most issues with how m/m romance was handled in ME:A. The squadmate issue was probably the biggest and most commonly repeated problem. Bioware has said before that they can't add squadmates that aren't on disc at ship. That's why they stopped doing day of release DLC squaddies. A new character or either Reyes/Gil could have never been main game squadmates due to technical constraints. They also couldn't re-write the whole game to make them plot important. Neither would adding to Gil/Reyes unlock the achievement for gay men. Jaal is a plot important squadmate with a sex scene, he's an alien (which m/m was the only group to have never gotten) and his addition means the 3 romance achievement can now be unlocked without dipping outside our sexual orientation. I understand if someone likes Gil/Reyes more and is disappointed, but the fact is that Jaal being bi solves more issues than other options did.
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Post by Pokemario on Jun 7, 2017 8:42:28 GMT
Tbh I would have preferred it if they'd added a bi/gay male companion in a DLC. Hmm... gay/bi male players paying more on top of the base game for content equal to what straight men and women, and queer women, already have at the very start... Hmm... Never said it was a good option, just better than the one given (imo). From my point of view, this confirms that Jaal's romance for Scott was cut out of the game for some reason and was only added later as an afterthought. Not to mention that BioWare changed the sexuality of one of their characters (from bisexual to heterosexual, and then from heterosexual to bisexual again) to fit their interest.
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Post by Dirk on Jun 7, 2017 8:46:26 GMT
The thing with "the precedent" argument is that it needs to take into consideration the full context of the situation. Bioware set a precedent that, if they brutally short one demographic on options, they'll be open to fixing it later. That's great! I'm very glad they did so. If it ever so happens that straight people are left with two light NPC romances while the gays get five options of which 2-3 are squad and multiples are plot important I will say, yeah, the Jaal precedent! Make one of these gays bi and even things out! They did not set a precedent that you just get whatever romance you want because you bitched. If you're looking at this in a vacuum, that's either uninformed or purposely obtuse. I'm sure Bioware will also rightfully see it that way. Jaal being bi was the best option to fix the most issues with how m/m romance was handled in ME:A. The squadmate issue was probably the biggest and most commonly repeated problem. Bioware has said before that they can't add squadmates that aren't on disc at ship. That's why they stopped doing day of release DLC squaddies. A new character or either Reyes/Gil could have never been main game squadmates due to technical constraints. They also couldn't re-write the whole game to make them plot important. Neither would adding to Gil/Reyes unlock the achievement for gay men. Jaal is a plot important squadmate with a sex scene, he's an alien (which m/m was the only group to have never gotten) and his addition means the 3 romance achievement can now be unlocked without dipping outside our sexual orientation. I understand if someone likes Gil/Reyes more and is disappointed, but the fact is that Jaal being bi solves more issues than other options did. Exactly this. And it does seem that Bioware understands this because of this paragraph in their post:Unless these three conditions happen again, the precedent argument holds no water.
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Post by Fredward on Jun 7, 2017 8:56:52 GMT
And this last line in just unnecessary +1.
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Post by Ianamus on Jun 7, 2017 9:01:39 GMT
Bleh, I can't believe they actually caved into the pressure and changed a characters sexuality. It was a poor choice, and sets an awful precedent. It's almost like...Bioware is a company trying to sell a product. And when a vocal portion of their consumer base complains about the content of said product, they change it in an effort to increase sales, both on the current product and future products. Sounds like...capitalism. Weird that a company would do something like that. And yeah, this is the first time Bioware has ever changed anything in their games due to fan response, definitely, it's the gays who are forcing this precedent. Oh, or is this because this isn't pressure for something that you're interested in? A lot of people complained that Sera/Suvi were lesbian and couldn't be romanced by male characters, so should Bioware respond by making them bisexual as well? They are a company trying to sell a product, after all. So we couldn't possibly criticise that decision.
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Post by flog61 on Jun 7, 2017 9:06:52 GMT
It's almost like...Bioware is a company trying to sell a product. And when a vocal portion of their consumer base complains about the content of said product, they change it in an effort to increase sales, both on the current product and future products. Sounds like...capitalism. Weird that a company would do something like that. And yeah, this is the first time Bioware has ever changed anything in their games due to fan response, definitely, it's the gays who are forcing this precedent. Oh, or is this because this isn't pressure for something that you're interested in? A lot of people complained that Sera/Suvi were lesbian and couldn't be romanced by male characters, so should Bioware respond by making them bisexual as well? They are a company trying to sell a product, after all. SO we couldn't possibly criticise that decision. Firstly doesn't sera turn you down if you flirt with her as a guy? So that's out. Secondly there aren't issues with the number of straight male romances in andromeda. Thirdly the first thing the team said was that it makes sense for Jaal as an angaran.
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Post by Dirk on Jun 7, 2017 9:08:20 GMT
I just realize that if they are going with more-or-less the same scene lake scene with Scott, we might be able to see his butt! This would be the first and only time in ME:A where a naked male human butt is shown in m/m romance (the other one is in Cora scene).
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Post by Ianamus on Jun 7, 2017 9:08:33 GMT
Bleh, I can't believe they actually caved into the pressure and changed a characters sexuality. It was a poor choice, and sets an awful precedent. The only bad part about this is now people are going to go to twitter and start demanding Bioware to make changes for them on this game or future games. But look on the bright side, Gay males finally have a gayilen in the Mass Effect series and he is plot-related. Bioware has shown that they are truly trying to make amends to the LGBT fans. Hopefully, they won't backtrack in future games. If they didn't know before, now they know that the LGBT people won't just accept crumbs. They need to treat all their fans equal and not try to just please one group. It's good that they showed a willingness to actually make serious changes in response to this issue, but going back and retroactively changing a characters sexuality is the worst way to have gone about that. Making improvements to the existing m/m romances or focusing on DLC characters/future games would have been much better.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 9:10:36 GMT
The only bad part about this is now people are going to go to twitter and start demanding Bioware to make changes for them on this game or future games. But look on the bright side, Gay males finally have a gayilen in the Mass Effect series and he is plot-related. Bioware has shown that they are truly trying to make amends to the LGBT fans. Hopefully, they won't backtrack in future games. If they didn't know before, now they know that the LGBT people won't just accept crumbs. They need to treat all their fans equal and not try to just please one group. It's good that they showed a willingness to actually make serious changes in response to this issue, but going back and retroactively changing a characters sexuality is the worst way to have gone about that. Making improvements to the existing romances or focusing on DLC characters/future games would have been much better. Improving Gil and Reyes does nothing for the squadmate and achievement issue. Jaal never had rejection lines for Scott. There was nothing. Everything for Scott was simply not there. You can have 100 gilfriends and still end up with a guy. That's bisexuality. It doesn't matter if Jaal had a girlfriend growing up and flirted with Peebee. He can still be bi, and he never says he is solely interested in females. He doesn't "no homo" you like, say, Liam does.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 9:11:51 GMT
He's not say they can be, what he's saying is that because of this people will try to use it as an example to try and have x character made an option because they don't like their current ones ( And no I'm saying this situation in that boat) And this last line in just unnecessary and out right attacking BioFan for having an honest opinion Jaal wasn't made bisexual because we were unhappy with Gil and Reyes. He was made this way because we didn't get a squadmate. We didn't have enough for the achievement. The entire movement was about representation, and us not having a m/m squadmate made the devs look pretty homophobic. Nowhere in the future of this franchise or any at Bioware will there be more LGBT options over heterosexual options. They will never change Sera or Suvi or Dorian to give straight people even MORE options. BioFan is making it seem like that is going to happen next, like because of this, everyone is free game. No, this is about representation, not about us wanting to bone Jaal. How obtuse can these people be?...Very obtuse? I mean, there are still a lot of dumb homophobic people, and try to level the playing field just a bit and then there are screams of "those damn SJWs how dare they cave into the gay agenda!" despite having the lion's share all in thanks to heteronormativity. I get it, I know where Biofan is coming from, because it was also in the back of my mind as well, but I also get that people using this as a crutch to call upon making gay/lesbian characters available for straight players to romance are homophobic for failing to see how it has some very unfortunate implications and that they already have a WEALTH of straight characters anyway. Never said it was a good option, just better than the one given (imo). From my point of view, this confirms that Jaal's romance for Scott was cut out of the game for some reason and was only added later as an afterthought. Not to mention that BioWare changed the sexuality of one of their characters (from bisexual to heterosexual, and then from heterosexual to bisexual again) to fit their interest. Not a good look. The fact that they shipped a game with no queer male squadmate (when everyone else has more content) and maybe expect it to not be taken much notice is not a good look. Actually, I was in favour of starting from scratch. Everyone go home. Andromeda's been cancelled. Let's start again. And let's not fuck it up for the lgbt+ players again...
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Post by Panda on Jun 7, 2017 9:14:30 GMT
It's almost like...Bioware is a company trying to sell a product. And when a vocal portion of their consumer base complains about the content of said product, they change it in an effort to increase sales, both on the current product and future products. Sounds like...capitalism. Weird that a company would do something like that. And yeah, this is the first time Bioware has ever changed anything in their games due to fan response, definitely, it's the gays who are forcing this precedent. Oh, or is this because this isn't pressure for something that you're interested in? A lot of people complained that Sera/Suvi were lesbian and couldn't be romanced by male characters, so should Bioware respond by making them bisexual as well? They are a company trying to sell a product, after all. So we couldn't possibly criticise that decision. No since this is not simply about who fans wish to romance. That way everyone would be just bisexual. Anyone who thinks about that doesn't know the case or is just trolling. Cassandra is companion who has even bigger role than Sera and Suvi isn't even squadmate when all of Cora, Peebee and Vetra are. These situations aren't same at all. I think people who aren't thinking with their brains at all should be just ignored as trolls.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 7, 2017 9:15:07 GMT
The only bad part about this is now people are going to go to twitter and start demanding Bioware to make changes for them on this game or future games. But look on the bright side, Gay males finally have a gayilen in the Mass Effect series and he is plot-related. Bioware has shown that they are truly trying to make amends to the LGBT fans. Hopefully, they won't backtrack in future games. If they didn't know before, now they know that the LGBT people won't just accept crumbs. They need to treat all their fans equal and not try to just please one group. It's good that they showed a willingness to actually make serious changes in response to this issue, but going back and retroactively changing a characters sexuality is the worst way to have gone about that. Making improvements to the existing m/m romances or focusing on DLC characters/future games would have been much better. This was not "change sexuality", we only knew, that he attracts to women, he never ever said anything about men. Never refused Scott (as Liam), Scott never had an option to speak about the romance. (Awakening!Anders kontra DA2!Anders and Kaidan debate again)
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Post by Dirk on Jun 7, 2017 9:24:08 GMT
Well in any case, I am very much excited about Scott's flirt lines with Jaal and how Jaal will respond to them. I wonder if how different they will be from the mod.
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