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Post by fadburger on Jun 7, 2017 9:29:54 GMT
Some celebratory Jaal butt (sorry these are kind of old because I didn't update the cinematic tools in a while):
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Post by Aliaspig on Jun 7, 2017 9:35:58 GMT
I'm excited to see the Scott/Jaal romance. I, personally, have no interest in romancing Jaal as Sara, so Scott is perfect for him. My Sara is with Suvi and my Scott is with Jaal. They're just super gay twins.
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Post by Ianamus on Jun 7, 2017 9:46:41 GMT
It's good that they showed a willingness to actually make serious changes in response to this issue, but going back and retroactively changing a characters sexuality is the worst way to have gone about that. Making improvements to the existing m/m romances or focusing on DLC characters/future games would have been much better. This was not "change sexuality", we only knew, that he attracts to women, he never ever said anything about men. Never refused Scott (as Liam), Scott never had an option to speak about the romance. (Awakening!Anders kontra DA2!Anders and Kaidan debate again) If he was intended to be bisexual from the beginning then he would have been available to Scott on release. Suvi never explicitly tells Scott that she is only attracted to women and could be seen as bisexual, but It's still obvious that she is intended to be a lesbian and making her an option for Scott via patch would be changing that. It's the same with Jaal. And don't forget Cora's hair, so many people complained about that, so they'd better go and patch that as well. And that joke about her mentioning Asari commandos all the time? Let's just change her backstory so she never trained with the Asari. That will stop people complaining. And let's make it so that Gil doesn't want a baby anymore and remove Jil from the game, since the response to her was so negative. Isn't it great when anything you don't like about a character, be it their sexuality, ethnicity or personality, can just be patched away?
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 9:52:42 GMT
This was not "change sexuality", we only knew, that he attracts to women, he never ever said anything about men. Never refused Scott (as Liam), Scott never had an option to speak about the romance. (Awakening!Anders kontra DA2!Anders and Kaidan debate again) If he was intended to be bisexual from the beginning then he would have been available to Scott on release. Suvi never explicitly tells Scott that she is only attracted to women and could be seen as bisexual, but It's still obvious that she is intended to be a lesbian and making her an option for Scott via patch would be changing that. It's the same with Jaal. And don't forget Cora's hair, so many people complained about that, so they'd better go and patch that as well. And that joke about her mentioning Asari commandos all the time? Let's just change her backstory so she never trained with the Asari. That will stop people complaining. And let's make it so that Gil doesn't want a baby anymore and remove Jil from the game, since the response to her was so negative. Isn't it great when anything you don't like about a character, be it their sexuality, ethnicity or personality, can just be patched away? This is so much bigger than just bitching. This is not pandering or about asari commandos and hairstyles. If you can't see that, it is on you. This is a done deal.
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Post by Foelhe on Jun 7, 2017 9:57:27 GMT
This was not "change sexuality", we only knew, that he attracts to women, he never ever said anything about men. Never refused Scott (as Liam), Scott never had an option to speak about the romance. (Awakening!Anders kontra DA2!Anders and Kaidan debate again) If he was intended to be bisexual from the beginning then he would have been available to Scott on release. Suvi never explicitly tells Scott that she is only attracted to women and could be seen as bisexual, but It's still obvious that she is intended to be a lesbian and making her an option for Scott via patch would be changing that. It's the same with Jaal. And don't forget Cora's hair, so many people complained about that, so they'd better go and patch that as well. And that joke about her mentioning Asari commandos all the time? Let's just change her backstory so she never trained with the Asari. That will stop people complaining. And let's make it so that Gil doesn't want a baby anymore and remove Jil from the game, since the response to her was so negative. Isn't it great when anything you don't like about a character, be it their sexuality, ethnicity or personality, can just be patched away? Isn't it great how you can make anything you're arguing with look stupid if you completely ignore all context and nuance? C'mon, dude. Arguing with a strawman just makes you look petty.
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Post by Salty Drell on Jun 7, 2017 10:00:11 GMT
If he was intended to be bisexual from the beginning then he would have been available to Scott on release. Suvi never explicitly tells Scott that she is only attracted to women and could be seen as bisexual, but It's still obvious that she is intended to be a lesbian and making her an option for Scott via patch would be changing that. It's the same with Jaal. And don't forget Cora's hair, so many people complained about that, so they'd better go and patch that as well. And that joke about her mentioning Asari commandos all the time? Let's just change her backstory so she never trained with the Asari. That will stop people complaining. And let's make it so that Gil doesn't want a baby anymore and remove Jil from the game, since the response to her was so negative. Isn't it great when anything you don't like about a character, be it their sexuality, ethnicity or personality, can just be patched away? This is so much bigger than just bitching. This is not pandering or about asari commandos and hairstyles. If you can't see that, it is on you. This is a done deal. Ianamus, you are really missing the bigger picture here. Whatever though, everyone else can see it so it's not really a problem.
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Post by Ianamus on Jun 7, 2017 10:46:30 GMT
If he was intended to be bisexual from the beginning then he would have been available to Scott on release. Suvi never explicitly tells Scott that she is only attracted to women and could be seen as bisexual, but It's still obvious that she is intended to be a lesbian and making her an option for Scott via patch would be changing that. It's the same with Jaal. And don't forget Cora's hair, so many people complained about that, so they'd better go and patch that as well. And that joke about her mentioning Asari commandos all the time? Let's just change her backstory so she never trained with the Asari. That will stop people complaining. And let's make it so that Gil doesn't want a baby anymore and remove Jil from the game, since the response to her was so negative. Isn't it great when anything you don't like about a character, be it their sexuality, ethnicity or personality, can just be patched away? Isn't it great how you can make anything you're arguing with look stupid if you completely ignore all context and nuance? C'mon, dude. Arguing with a strawman just makes you look petty. The context doesn't make it any better. MEA's m/m options sucked and were awful, but a characters sexuality shouldn't be something that you just change in the patch notes as if it isn't a big deal. Sexuality is an important topic for many people, and flipping a characters sexuality like a light switch has a lot of really unfortunate implications. I also find the hypocrisy highly amusing. When the developers say that Jaal is straight because it "makes sense" they are berated and scoffed at because sexuality shouldn't have to 'make sense'. But when they change Jaals sexuality to bi because they decided it "made more sense" they are praised? Could you imagine if they changed a characters ethnicity by popular demand, how awful that would be? Why should sexuality be any different?
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 10:52:28 GMT
This was not "change sexuality", we only knew, that he attracts to women, he never ever said anything about men. Never refused Scott (as Liam), Scott never had an option to speak about the romance. (Awakening!Anders kontra DA2!Anders and Kaidan debate again) If he was intended to be bisexual from the beginning then he would have been available to Scott on release. Suvi never explicitly tells Scott that she is only attracted to women and could be seen as bisexual, but It's still obvious that she is intended to be a lesbian and making her an option for Scott via patch would be changing that. It's the same with Jaal. And don't forget Cora's hair, so many people complained about that, so they'd better go and patch that as well. And that joke about her mentioning Asari commandos all the time? Let's just change her backstory so she never trained with the Asari. That will stop people complaining. And let's make it so that Gil doesn't want a baby anymore and remove Jil from the game, since the response to her was so negative. Isn't it great when anything you don't like about a character, be it their sexuality, ethnicity or personality, can just be patched away? The difference between Suvi and Jaal is Jaal doesn't even have romance dialogue for Scott in the first place, there isn't even an ambiguous rejection. It's not even about intention. Cullen was intended to be bisexual, he has a lot of dialogues, companions commended on him and male Inquisitor, even ending dialogues where he and male Inquisitor talk at the end. Sometimes, they have to cut contents due to time constraint. Whenever that happens, the ones that get contents cut are always the gay players. As I stated before, it's not even about intention sometimes but technological difficulty and time constraint like Cullen or race restriction based on Iron Bull's technological difficulty to animate it for all races. You can keep mentioning specific examples about things need to be changed due to negative review, but all of them are personal preference. Things like the non-squadmate, shortest romance, modded bisexual from females is altogether affecting gay players that are outside of personal preference but lack of consideration for gay players as a whole. I don't care about authenticity because set sexuality in Bioware game is basically gender gating, bisexual guys are straight guys modded for guys, out of convenience or whatever. I could care less if anyone is upset with bi Jaal. If there are groups who want other things, let them fight for it. If they want to change someone's ethnicity, that's not my concern. It's between Bioware and the group who bring it up.
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Post by Salty Drell on Jun 7, 2017 11:00:02 GMT
Isn't it great how you can make anything you're arguing with look stupid if you completely ignore all context and nuance? C'mon, dude. Arguing with a strawman just makes you look petty. The context doesn't make it any better. MEA's m/m options sucked and were awful, but a characters sexuality shouldn't be something that you just change in the patch notes as if it isn't a big deal. Sexuality is an important topic for many people, and flipping a characters sexuality like a light switch has a lot of really unfortunate implications. I also find the hypocrisy highly amusing. When the developers say that Jaal is straight because it "makes sense" they are berated and scoffed at because sexuality shouldn't have to 'make sense'. But when they change Jaals sexuality to bi because they decided it "made more sense" they are praised? Could you imagine if they changed a characters ethnicity by popular demand, how awful that would be? Why should sexuality be any different? When did the developers ever state he was straight? There's no rejection line for Scott. His sexuality hadn't been revealed. He hasn't been changed to bi, he's been revealed as bi.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 11:16:13 GMT
Some people say that this was a bad decision cuz it will make other people want to change Cora's or Suvi's sexualities BUT: 1. Jaal was never really straight, he never said it, he never turned Scott down 2. Gay males were the only one who could not complete achivement without switching to straight romances 3. Many evidences shows that Jaal was planned as bi from the very beginning (data mining, no flirt options to be rejected like in Liam's case, and also voice files) 4. Not a single male romance within squad for Scott (like BW even mentioned themselves) So please stop the hate, it's not like this affect you straight people in any way
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Maybe someone did them already, I need to catch up, but there you go xD
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 7, 2017 11:20:53 GMT
I don't like the idea that gay men should just '' deal with whatever they got '' and pay more for content they deserved from the start. You are really advocating for gay men to pay more for content that should've been there from the start, and to just wait for the possible next game to things get better? Just so that BW can remain '' honorable '' or whatever the fuck?
Hmh, nah, sorry, I'll take my free content that fixes a lot of the m/m issues I've personally been affected by while playing the game and be happy. :/
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Post by Salty Drell on Jun 7, 2017 11:28:25 GMT
I don't like the idea that gay men should just '' deal with whatever they got '' and pay more for content they deserved from the start. You are really advocating for gay men to pay more for content that should've been there from the start, and to just wait for the possible next game to things get better? Just so that BW can remain '' honorable '' or whatever the fuck? Hmh, nah, sorry, I'll take my free content that fixes a lot of the m/m issues I've personally been affected by while playing the game and be happy. :/ Luckily this time we don't have to wait a long time or pay extra to get content we deserved from the start. We get it for free, as it should be, and some people just can't handle that, us finally being treated more fairly.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 11:34:22 GMT
Love wins, hate doesn't. Keep your biphobia/homophobia at bay for the month of June (and always).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 11:35:48 GMT
Some people say that this was a bad decision cuz it will make other people want to change Cora's or Suvi's sexualities BUT: 1. Jaal was never really straight, he never said it, he never turned Scott down 2. Gay males were the only one who could not complete achivement without switching to straight romances 3. Many evidences shows that Jaal was planned as bi from the very beginning (data mining, no flirt options to be rejected like in Liam's case, and also voice files) 4. Not a single male romance within squad for Scott (like BW even mentioned themselves) So please stop the hate, it's not like this affect you straight people in any way Let's ignore those points for now, since I can see the usual reaction to them from those against the whole Jaal patch would be "...Yeah. So?". This is pretty much a numbers game and how infrequently lgbt+ characters and content shows up in media. You look across the board at all the other games (and every media, ever), and it's obvious that your average joe thinks that all characters are straight until proven otherwise. I'm sorry, but take one "straight" character (who's not even written as human to begin with) and expand that he's bisexual doesn't make a LICK of a DIFFERENCE for the entire sea of straight characters already out there. What straight people are implying whenever they demand gay characters to be made bisexual is that they want it to suit THEM as the majority, and never the social minority. And they fail to see that they are taking away from that small pool of gay and lesbian characters. On the other hand, there will never be any shortage of straight characters and there will never be a time when same sex content outnumbers straight content, at least, in a Bioware game (and in other forms of media, unless it's a "niche" lgbt+ story). I didn't expect a Jaal patch. I also think it would open a Pandora's Box for people using this as a crutch to support changing so-and-so's sexuality. But in this case? Fuck it. You're at the ball, you might as well dance.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 7, 2017 11:40:09 GMT
I don't like the idea that gay men should just '' deal with whatever they got '' and pay more for content they deserved from the start. You are really advocating for gay men to pay more for content that should've been there from the start, and to just wait for the possible next game to things get better? Just so that BW can remain '' honorable '' or whatever the fuck? Hmh, nah, sorry, I'll take my free content that fixes a lot of the m/m issues I've personally been affected by while playing the game and be happy. :/ It's basically compromising for other people's sake. We should swallow it in because it may open a pandora's box of some sorts. Seriously, gay players have always been put in the position where we have to be considerate of other groups. Don't complain about Kaidan being made for female, at least he's the first male ME squadmate, next time it will get better. Don't complain about having less number of options, we're the minority. Don't complain about Cullen being straight despite tons of dialogues even ending for a bi option, there's Dorian and Iron Bull. Don't complain about no gay option in Star Wars The Old Republic, it's a post launch feature. Basically, we have to swallow the load with each Bioware games. I don't see why we have to keep being considerate and things like that when other groups have never extend the same courtesy to us. A lot of straight guys reacted toward this are basically "bugs need fixing but gay romance is the priority?" while many straight females are talking about how Jaal "belongs" to them or making him bi changing who he is or bring up how they're being shafted in ME3 despite the fact the the bi option was made for them before being modified for males. The gay players have been shafted the entire trilogy and when things that have to be cut, it's always the gay contents that have to get cut like SWTOR, like Cullen, like Jaal. We have always swallowing it year after year and think of the other groups, when is it enough? How many "next game" before we get the bare minimum?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 11:43:12 GMT
It's basically compromising for other people's sake. We should swallow it in because it may open a pandora's box of some sorts. Seriously, gay players have always been put in the position where we have to be considerate of other groups. Don't complain about Kaidan being made for female, at least he's the first male ME squadmate, next time it will get better. Don't complain about having less number of options, we're the minority. Don't complain about Cullen being straight despite tons of dialogues even ending for a bi option, there's Dorian and Iron Bull. Don't complain about no gay option in Star Wars The Old Republic, it's a post launch feature. Basically, we have to swallow the load with each Bioware games. I don't see why we have to keep being considerate and things like that when other groups have never extend the same courtesy to us. A lot of straight guys reacted toward this are basically "bugs need fixing but gay romance is the priority?" while many straight females are talking about how Jaal "belongs" to them or making him bi changing who he is or bring up how they're being shafted in ME3 despite the fact the the bi option was made for them before being modified for males. The gay players have been shafted the entire trilogy and when things that have to be cut, it's always the gay contents that have to get cut like SWTOR, like Cullen, like Jaal. We have always swallowing it year after year and think of the other groups, when is it enough? How many "next game" before we get the bare minimum? Well, snap!
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 7, 2017 11:46:16 GMT
Love wins, hate doesn't. Keep your biphobia/homophobia at bay for the month of June (and always). What I find funny and sad is seeing lgbtq people against this, but I dont give a fuck Jaal....
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Post by Foelhe on Jun 7, 2017 11:50:33 GMT
Isn't it great how you can make anything you're arguing with look stupid if you completely ignore all context and nuance? C'mon, dude. Arguing with a strawman just makes you look petty. The context doesn't make it any better. MEA's m/m options sucked and were awful, but a characters sexuality shouldn't be something that you just change in the patch notes as if it isn't a big deal. Sexuality is an important topic for many people, and flipping a characters sexuality like a light switch has a lot of really unfortunate implications. I also find the hypocrisy highly amusing. When the developers say that Jaal is straight because it "makes sense" they are berated and scoffed at because sexuality shouldn't have to 'make sense'. But when they change Jaals sexuality to bi because they decided it "made more sense" they are praised? Could you imagine if they changed a characters ethnicity by popular demand, how awful that would be? Why should sexuality be any different? Oh, I still think the "makes sense" argument is dumb, and I haven't seen anyone else say they like it either. It's annoying BioWare thinks that matters, and that's one reason I'll be keeping a sharp eye on 'em going forward. It's just not a big enough problem for me to ignore the fact that we've got a bisexual guy on the squad. As for ethnicity? If a writer had a cast that was white as snow, and they decided to change that and bring in some color, I'd be 100% supportive. I care a lot more about real-life fans getting to see themselves in the game than I do about fictional characters staying true to their origins.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Jun 7, 2017 11:53:23 GMT
The context doesn't make it any better. MEA's m/m options sucked and were awful, but a characters sexuality shouldn't be something that you just change in the patch notes as if it isn't a big deal. Sexuality is an important topic for many people, and flipping a characters sexuality like a light switch has a lot of really unfortunate implications. I also find the hypocrisy highly amusing. When the developers say that Jaal is straight because it "makes sense" they are berated and scoffed at because sexuality shouldn't have to 'make sense'. But when they change Jaals sexuality to bi because they decided it "made more sense" they are praised? Could you imagine if they changed a characters ethnicity by popular demand, how awful that would be? Why should sexuality be any different? Oh, I still think the "makes sense" argument is dumb, and I haven't seen anyone else say they like it either. It's annoying BioWare thinks that matters, and that's one reason I'll be keeping a sharp eye on 'em going forward. It's just not a big enough problem for me to ignore the fact that we've got a bisexual guy on the squad. As for ethnicity? If a writer had a cast that was white as snow, and they decided to change that and bring in some color, I'd be 100% supportive. I care a lot more about real-life fans getting to see themselves in the game than I do about fictional characters staying true to their origins. Here is another big change to something that turned out great. Ever watch Battlestar Galactica? The original had a male Starbuck. The reimagined series has a female Starbuck and is a phenomenal character and fan favorite. Change is wonderful sometimes. Sometimes it isn't. In the case of Jaal, it is great for those who wanted it and does absolutely nothing for those who are complaining against it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 12:10:20 GMT
Guys I know there's going to be some nasty backlash for this, but just remember one thing. You won! Enjoy this gift and try not to let others taint your happiness, and if you need any help with romancing Jaal (guide is NOT helpful), ask us anything in the Jaal thread!
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 7, 2017 12:11:34 GMT
The context doesn't make it any better. MEA's m/m options sucked and were awful, but a characters sexuality shouldn't be something that you just change in the patch notes as if it isn't a big deal. Sexuality is an important topic for many people, and flipping a characters sexuality like a light switch has a lot of really unfortunate implications. I also find the hypocrisy highly amusing. When the developers say that Jaal is straight because it "makes sense" they are berated and scoffed at because sexuality shouldn't have to 'make sense'. But when they change Jaals sexuality to bi because they decided it "made more sense" they are praised? Could you imagine if they changed a characters ethnicity by popular demand, how awful that would be? Why should sexuality be any different? Oh, I still think the "makes sense" argument is dumb, and I haven't seen anyone else say they like it either. It's annoying BioWare thinks that matters, and that's one reason I'll be keeping a sharp eye on 'em going forward. It's just not a big enough problem for me to ignore the fact that we've got a bisexual guy on the squad. As for ethnicity? If a writer had a cast that was white as snow, and they decided to change that and bring in some color, I'd be 100% supportive. I care a lot more about real-life fans getting to see themselves in the game than I do about fictional characters staying true to their origins. I think changing ethnicity would be very problematic as it would change how they visually were to everyone & could likely cause all sorts of character inconsistencies with their existing content and perhaps versus the delivery of the voice actor. Broadening a character's sexual orientation of Jaal doesn't seem in any way problematic. As for everyone other than gay men you aren't likely to notice any difference in his character other than an unused flirt dialogue if you are a straight man. For most characters barring obvious exceptions like Dorian, their sexuality isn't part of their character arc & therefore it doesn't break Jaal as a character if he's open to a romance with a man.
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Post by Walter Black on Jun 7, 2017 12:12:05 GMT
The only bad part about this is now people are going to go to twitter and start demanding Bioware to make changes for them on this game or future games. But look on the bright side, Gay males finally have a gayilen in the Mass Effect series and he is plot-related. Bioware has shown that they are truly trying to make amends to the LGBT fans. Hopefully, they won't backtrack in future games. If they didn't know before, now they know that the LGBT people won't just accept crumbs. They need to treat all their fans equal and not try to just please one group. Gay people have to accept crumbs from the very beginning. I think we're just basically hoping it gets better, so it's the perpetual "maybe the next game will be better". This is why the entire ordeal about waiting for the next Mass Effect game to get better representation is unacceptable. Think about it, gays have never been a priority, even from the very beginning. Regardless, if one group has to have the least options, it's always the gay fanbase. I personally didn't mind too much since gay players are a minority, so I understand that business decision sometimes has to take precedent. Though for a refresher, with set sexuality, DAO, has 2 options for everyone, gay and lesbian has 1 each, DA2 goes for bisexuality for romance options, but the extra option goes for straight female. In DAI, 2 options for each, with the extra time, they added 2 more options exclusively for straight females, even for a cast of mostly males, the gay options would still be the same as everyone or less. With ME1 and 2, no gay option at all, only lesbian option for straight guys. With ME3, they reuse Kaidan from females and cutting out scenes from femShep, then Cortez, a custom face NPC. I didn't complain, in fact, I love ME3 with Kaidan, because even though it's crumb, we at least still have the first m/m squadmate in ME games, so that's progress. This is where the "Maybe the next game will be better" hope comes from. People see progress, people see that ME team is improving their treatment toward gay players. This is exactly why MEA was so disappointed, we go from a unique face squadmate in ME3, even as a reuse, to no m/m squadmate at all, with the bisexual option once again badly modded from Sarah, and a male NPC with the shortest romance content out of everyone, both of them have no unique face. It's regressing. Meanwhile, they gave straight males the most squadmate romances with very detailed and best choreographic scenes, longest out of everyone, on top of 2 extra romances options, while 2 exclusive options for straight females. They didn't even think that one of those options could easily made available for Scott as well, allowing Scott to have a unique face companion. I could care less if it's Jaal or Liam. Let just say it's Liam, even if I didn't like Liam as a male option, I would have no reason or cause to complain because they are mindful enough to include a squadmate romance for male players, as well as allowing gay players to have 3 romance options for the trophy. It means that they thought it out ahead of time, and gay players weren't last minute addition. We are not asking for special treatment. Reading comments on youtube or IGN make it seem like gay players want special treatment, but we're not. I'm not even asking for equal treatment since we have never gotten that. I think what I wanted simply was some thoughts and care going into gay players, so that we're not just some afterthoughts but an actual group Bioware thought of and considered when making the game. I think that's all. I simply cannot wait for another game, hoping it will get better, simply because it's their 4th game, they had 10 years to "get better". How much longer should we wait? In the next game, there would still be no guarantee that it would be better. It could just be another bisexual option being made for female first and then a gay NPC. I don't want to raise my expectation for it to simply get less than the bare minimum. It's not about the number of romance. A lot of people keep bringing it up as why gay romance got shafted, but it wasn't about that, at least for me. It's the feeling of gay romance being an afterthought that upset me. The trophy wanting us to romance 3 options while only having 2 options available is the issue. I don't mind having less options than other groups, but the trophy is just an indication that they didn't take gay players into consideration while creating game mechanics and trophies. This is the first step. They acknowledge they screwed up. I'm a bit more content toward Bioware now not because Jaal is bisexual but because Mass Effect team takes gay players into consideration. Dude.
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Post by flog61 on Jun 7, 2017 12:24:52 GMT
Noooo! I assumed Jaal wouldn't be made bi and so I romanced him with my femryder before my gay ryder playthrough!!
Guess I'll just have to listen to his sexy ass voice twice. Damn shame.
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