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Post by palinopsia on Jun 8, 2017 21:30:20 GMT
I was so pessimistic about this but goddamn... It is so good. So pure. So beautiful. IT IS SO GOOD. Thank you, Bioware. Finally. Finally.
I'm so happy about this. So happy. This was literally all I ever wanted from life. God bless.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jun 8, 2017 21:41:40 GMT
This is what I like for Bioware's bisexual characters to actually be. It's not copy and paste where they talk to a cardboard cutout. It's just made just for one gender before badly modifying for another like Reyes, Kaidan, and Peebee. Bisexual characters react differently toward different person they're converse with. This is what an actual well done bisexual character look like. They're not copy and paste but a unique experience for both. If they want to use the excuse of bisexual characters cost the same resource to make then they really need to make them stand out and varied like that. It would also allow different playthrough of male and female to romance the same person to be a fresh and new experience as well. I'm pleased to hear this. A while ago I was discussing something similar (playersexual characters, but eh) and remarking on the benefits of making the romance different between male and female PCs to allow for both variety in an efficient package and incentive to try it the other way. The counterpoint was distrust that BioWare could do it justice. I'm glad they have done it justice.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Jun 8, 2017 22:07:35 GMT
And of course there's already people making homophobic/biphobic rants about Bi-Jaal and creating threads to say that teh gay is "forced on you"... Leaving this forum for a while is starting to become an appealing thought, to be honest
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:10:37 GMT
And of course there's already people making homophobic/biphobic rants about Bi-Jaal and creating threads to say that teh gay is "forced on you"... Leaving this forum for a while is starting to become an appealing thought, to be honest It's making me ill and angry. If it upsets you though, go enjoy the game and let this stupidity run its course. It'll be old news soon enough.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 8, 2017 22:13:58 GMT
And of course there's already people making homophobic/biphobic rants about Bi-Jaal and creating threads to say that teh gay is "forced on you"...Leaving this forum for a while is starting to become an appealing thought, to be honest This never fails to be confusing...you'd never know it was there if you play as Sara and romance him. He never even mentions a past romance with a man, just with a woman and a crush on Avela...
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Post by Petroshenko on Jun 8, 2017 22:13:58 GMT
I'll rain on the parade. Cool for folks who really wanted Jaal and in theory adresses multiple issues with gay romances but let's not get hysterical with BW praise here. This is still the same romance with slighty rephrased lines and literally a handful of different animations, 95% is the same otherwise. Same scenes, lightining, music, general conversations etc.
Like I said, in theory it adds 3rd option for achiv, gay male nudity, a gay squadmate option AND a popular character at the same time and yet I can't help to notice that coincidentally it also happens to be the easiest and cheapest way BW could've taken to 'address' the crisicism - flipping Jaal or Liam's switches and slighty modifying their existing scenes. Let's put it this way - a brand new 3rd gay squamdate, or even brand new scenes/content for Gil and/or Reyes it is NOT.
Not like it all matters now anyway, Andromeda 2 likely will never happen and who knows how long we will wait for any new game in Mass Effect universe next so I just hope, this time, after Trilogy AND after Andromeda, they finally embeded into their brains the memo about gay romances not being absent or an afterthought compared to every other romance option.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 8, 2017 22:16:07 GMT
I'll rain on the parade. Cool for folks who really wanted Jaal and in theory adresses multiple issues with gay romances but let's not get hysterical with BW praise here. This is still the same romance with slighty rephrased lines and literally a handful of different animations, 95% is the same otherwise. Same scenes, lightining, music, general conversations etc. Like I said, in theory it adds 3rd option for achiv, gay male nudity, a gay squadmate option AND a popular character at the same time and yet I can't help to notice that coincidentally it also happens to be the easiest and cheapest way BW could've taken to 'address' the crisicism - flipping Jaal or Liam's switches and slighty modifying their existing scenes. Let's put it this way - a brand new 3rd gay squamdate, or even brand new scenes/content for Gil and/or Reyes it is NOT. Not like it all matters now anyway, Andromeda 2 likely will never happen and who knows how long we will wait for any new game in Mass Effect universe next so I just hope, this time, after Trilogy AND after Andromeda, they finally embeded into their brains the memo about gay romances not being absent or an afterthought compared to every other romance option. If we waited for them to create a whole new squadmate with new content we would be waiting forever. Of course this isn't enough or the ideal solution, but it's a good-faith effort on their part at the very least. If it wasn't cheap or easy it wouldn't have happened at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:16:42 GMT
And of course there's already people making homophobic/biphobic rants about Bi-Jaal and creating threads to say that teh gay is "forced on you"...Leaving this forum for a while is starting to become an appealing thought, to be honest This never fails to be confusing...you'd never know it was there if you play as Sara and romance him. He never even mentions a past romance with a man, just with a woman and a crush on Avela... Yep! I'm romancing Jaal as Sara right now with the new patch and he's just good ol' lovely Jaal who adores Sara, lost Allia and crushed on Avela. Sara would never know he loved her brother because that's in an AU where Scott is the Pathfinder.
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Post by Petroshenko on Jun 8, 2017 22:20:22 GMT
If we waited for them to create a whole new squadmate with new content we would be waiting forever. Of course this isn't enough or the ideal solution, but it's a good-faith effort on their part at the very least. If it wasn't cheap or easy it wouldn't have happened at all. Well it's not like there was an ideal solution for this post-release anyway. Like most of Andromeda's issues, they're never going to be fully fixable in patches or even DLC, too many bad decisions during developement. I guess I'm mostly annoyed because I know this is the last and final chance for all of those Andromeda characters. And long time before we see any kind of new ME game anyway (which almost surely won't be Andromeda 2). If they don't do more now, they never will. There's no trilogy to hope for more major fixing/making up.
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Post by Dirk on Jun 8, 2017 22:22:55 GMT
They did say that this is not a last patch. Maybe there is still a chance for them to fix and improve other romances.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 8, 2017 22:24:29 GMT
If we waited for them to create a whole new squadmate with new content we would be waiting forever. Of course this isn't enough or the ideal solution, but it's a good-faith effort on their part at the very least. If it wasn't cheap or easy it wouldn't have happened at all. Well it's not like there was an ideal solution for this post-release anyway. Like most of Andromeda's issues, they're never going to be fully fixable in patches or even DLC, too many bad decisions during developement. I guess I'm mostly annoyed because I know this is the last and final chance for all of those Andromeda characters. And long time before we see any kind of new ME game anyway (which almost surely won't be Andromeda 2). If they don't do more now, they never will. There's no trilogy to hope for more major fixing/making up. I agree there was definitely no way to do it post-release to make everybody happy (barring the homophobic crowd who already was against having any LGBT+ content from the start). Did you read the newer Kotaku article about the MEA dev cycle? It definitely sounded like development was hell and we are lucky to get the game as finished/playable as we got it upon initial release... I like to think they'll make an MEA2 down the road, although it doesn't sound like it'll happen for quite some time so I am not holding my breath...but at least we know if/when it DOES happen they know exactly what NOT to do...and I think this whole bi-Jaal thing shows that they did learn something at least...if there wasn't a real need for it they wouldn't have implemented it regardless of hashtags etc.
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Post by Petroshenko on Jun 8, 2017 22:24:54 GMT
They did say that this is not a last patch. Maybe there is still a chance for them to fix and improve other romances. And do you actually believe those patches will include MAJOR new stuff like completly brand new scenes done from scratch? I no longer hope for it, maybe if there's actual DLC but even that is questionable now Well it's not like there was an ideal solution for this post-release anyway. Like most of Andromeda's issues, they're never going to be fully fixable in patches or even DLC, too many bad decisions during developement. I guess I'm mostly annoyed because I know this is the last and final chance for all of those Andromeda characters. And long time before we see any kind of new ME game anyway (which almost surely won't be Andromeda 2). If they don't do more now, they never will. There's no trilogy to hope for more major fixing/making up. I agree there was definitely no way to do it post-release to make everybody happy (barring the homophobic crowd who already was against having any LGBT+ content from the start). Did you read the newer Kotaku article about the MEA dev cycle? It definitely sounded like development was hell and we are lucky to get the game as finished/playable as we got it upon initial release... I like to think they'll make an MEA2 down the road, although it doesn't sound like it'll happen for quite some time so I am not holding my breath...but at least we know if/when it DOES happen they know exactly what NOT to do...and I think this whole bi-Jaal thing shows that they did learn something at least...if there wasn't a real need for it they wouldn't have implemented it regardless of hashtags etc. I'm very doubtful they will make Andromeda 2. The game underperformed and is largely seen as the 'bad one' and associated with animation memes. The damage is done and EA is very unlikely to allow themselves risking the next installement be associated with it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:25:59 GMT
Wouldnt happen. Lexi is hungry for Drack's dick. I'm surprised Mac and his asari fetish didnt show us her riding him quads deep.
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Post by fadburger on Jun 8, 2017 22:28:50 GMT
They did say that this is not a last patch. Maybe there is still a chance for them to fix and improve other romances. And do you actually believe those patches will include MAJOR new stuff like completly brand new scenes done from scratch? I no longer hope for it, maybe if there's actual DLC but even that is questionable now I agree there was definitely no way to do it post-release to make everybody happy (barring the homophobic crowd who already was against having any LGBT+ content from the start). Did you read the newer Kotaku article about the MEA dev cycle? It definitely sounded like development was hell and we are lucky to get the game as finished/playable as we got it upon initial release... I like to think they'll make an MEA2 down the road, although it doesn't sound like it'll happen for quite some time so I am not holding my breath...but at least we know if/when it DOES happen they know exactly what NOT to do...and I think this whole bi-Jaal thing shows that they did learn something at least...if there wasn't a real need for it they wouldn't have implemented it regardless of hashtags etc. I'm very doubtful they will make Andromeda 2. The game underperformed and is largely seen as the 'bad one' and associated with animation memes. The damage is done and EA is very unlikely to allow themselves risking the next installement be associated with it Yeah I'm not holding my breath, I'm only trying to remain hopeful because I want more ME in the future but I couldn't say that I knew they were going to make more.
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Post by cespar on Jun 8, 2017 22:39:45 GMT
I'm really happy with the Jaal/Scott romance. It's basically everything a lot of gay/bi men have been asking for and generally lacking every game. No weirdness about him being with a guy, no "queen/baroness" moments, but Jaal is super romantic and open about both his emotional attachment and physical attraction to Scott. There's no major drama or anything that could read as betrayal. It doesn't end with a shaky "Skype crystal" moment. It's a very committed relationship. I'm still a huge Reyes fan, but the Jaal romance is easily the most complete m/m option in the game. Bioware made a mistake not putting this in at release, but at least they did a great job on the final delivery. I think all the m/m Jaal fans will be pleased. I definitely am. This is good, Nocte! They need to continue in this direction.
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Post by revanstar on Jun 8, 2017 22:45:56 GMT
Wouldnt happen. Lexi is hungry for Drack's dick. I'm surprised Mac and his asari fetish didnt show us her riding him quads deep. I don't read her feelings for him as sexual though. A bit of a crush sure. And def some admiration. But...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:49:00 GMT
Wouldnt happen. Lexi is hungry for Drack's dick. I'm surprised Mac and his asari fetish didnt show us her riding him quads deep. I don't read her feelings for him as sexual though. A bit of a crush sure. And def some admiration. But... Nah she's full on hungry for him. Let's face it in mac effect asari are banging everyone and the game is like how dare you not want to bang you.
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Post by revanstar on Jun 8, 2017 22:53:05 GMT
I don't read her feelings for him as sexual though. A bit of a crush sure. And def some admiration. But... Nah she's full on hungry for him. Let's face it in mac effect asari are banging everyone and the game is like how dare you not want to bang you. Like I said, it doesnt read like that for me. But then I fall on the asexual spectrum so maybe Im missing some things. But I doubt it cause it was pretty clear that Peebee wants to ride Jaal, and Liam is crushing hard on Sis!Ryder. I think you and I are simply going to have to accept that we are reading the situation differently.
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Post by uirebhiril on Jun 8, 2017 22:53:45 GMT
Really, Lexi comes across as the type to not kiss and tell. She and Drack could have been embracing eternity all over the damn ship when Ryder is out on missions and no one would notice but to think the carefully mopped floors are for sanitation and safety. Definitely don't ask about the broken bed in the med bay. Or the bent ladder bars. Or that dent on the Nomad. And the locker in the armory totally fell over on its own. -Going to edit to add that my point is, not every character, romanceable or not, is going to be in your face about their love lives. And that's all fine by me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 22:57:39 GMT
Nah she's full on hungry for him. Let's face it in mac effect asari are banging everyone and the game is like how dare you not want to bang you. Like I said, it doesnt read like that for me. But then I fall on the asexual spectrum so maybe Im missing some things. But I doubt it cause it was pretty clear that Peebee wants to ride Jaal, and Liam is crushing hard on Sis!Ryder. I think you and I are simply going to have to accept that we are reading the situation differently. In the words of my beloved Gil Brodie different strokes make for more interesting conversation 😊 The world would be boring if we were all the same.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 8, 2017 23:01:53 GMT
So I was right that it was mostly the things that were already planned, just cleaned up to avoid the issues they had with Scott/Reyes and Sara/Peebee?
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 8, 2017 23:06:00 GMT
YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT THE VIDEOS AND I'M HERE BEING SLOW, I'M SLOW!JAAL PLAYING AND DOING IT ALL AND I JUST WANT TO MEET HIM ALREADY, FAST!JAAL BETTER RAWS ME SOON
I DONT APOLOGISE FOR THE CAPITAL LETTERS; THIS IS MY MOOD AND I CANT HELP IT, I'M HAPPY AND I'M SCREAMING
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Post by Dirk on Jun 9, 2017 0:20:02 GMT
Ian posted this on Gil's thread: Tiberius Worth a second shot I suppose. I first want to thank your team on hearing the concerns of the LGBT community with regards to BiJaal. But I'd also like to hope that you've kept an eye on this thread, which despite all expectations is the 2nd largest of the character threads. I just want to know if we can expect more Gil content ever. I know this is supposed to be the m/m patch, but some confirmation either way would do wonders. Thank you again, and God bless. Generally speaking I can't talk about things we are or are not doing outside of what PR has already made public, sorry!
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Post by riou on Jun 9, 2017 5:46:58 GMT
So...someone compared the scenes, apparently the 'I love you too, Jaal.' line doesn't get used.
That makes me sadface a bit, but I suppose since they wanted to make the scenes different enough they had to make some lines different.
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