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Post by cloud9 on Nov 5, 2017 9:40:39 GMT
This right here is what I vehemently disagree with, in its totality. This right here is quite simply absolute horseshit. Penalties was too harsh a word I admit. Let's take what Nightscrawl said, basically that amounts to a checklist of self censorship as well as a limit on artistic expression, things that I am not particularly in favor of. I think you're missing an important distinction in all this, which I tried to get at with my post. There is a difference between writing a character that is gay, where that is just a thing about them, even if that story features a same-sex romance, and writing about the gay experience. What does a straight person have to offer about the gay experience? Nothing at all. Let's have an example that I might consider analogous to To Kill a Mockingbird. Let's say that there is a story, written by a straight person, about what it is like to be the child in a same-sex parent household. For the first few years of this child's life, she won't think anything at all is different about her family. As she gets get older, starts going to school, sees more of the world, she may see ugly behavior directed at her and her parents. That is that child's own experience. Now let's switch it around at look at those same parents. Perhaps they have been together a long time, but were only (finally) able to get married after the Supreme Court ruling. In deciding to have a child together, they will have to contend with a legal system that isn't really equipped to deal with same-sex parents; more often than not, the biological parent is given priority in legal matters. They know that there might be times during family outings that they will get certain looks. There are probably dozens of other things that I can't even think of that these parents will have to deal with that straight people really can't comprehend. This is all on top of the usual parent type stuff. Can a straight person do justice to those parents? Possibly (I'm not going to deny that outright). But it would have more meaning, be more real, if a gay person were writing it. I have a couple of real examples. There is a woman, a mother of a gay teen, who writes pieces for the Huffington Post. These are about her own experiences in trying to be a parent (along with her husband) who is raising a well-adjusted, confident, gay young man. She isn't writing about her son's experience as a gay teen, but of her own as his mother. That is the key distinction. To turn it back toward race, after Trayvon Martin was killed, there were quite a few African American people who shared their stories of being parents, or of their own parents, and having to give "the talk" to their black child (especially if a son). How to behave in public places, what to do if confronted by police, and other similar things. I recall distinctly that white America (the non-racist people, anyway) was collectively shocked and horrified, because the very idea that this is a thing that happens, that AA parents have to deal with, was just completely foreign to a great many people. How can a white person even fathom that experience? How could they do it justice? You can write about it respectfully, but it's not the same as having lived it. Pfft they weren't "shocked and horrified" about slavery and lynchings of black men, women, and children didn't they?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Nov 5, 2017 10:03:11 GMT
Pfft they weren't "shocked and horrified" about slavery and lynchings of black men, women, and children didn't they? I have to ask, do you just sit, scrawling through the forum for dead threads to revive?
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 5, 2017 10:20:39 GMT
Pfft they weren't "shocked and horrified" about slavery and lynchings of black men, women, and children didn't they? I have to ask, do you just sit, scrawling through the forum for dead threads to revive? It's a living.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 5, 2017 20:26:02 GMT
I have to ask, do you just sit, scrawling through the forum for dead threads to revive? INB4 he uses thread-necroing to segue into complaining about Voodoo being suppressed, appropriated and misappropriated.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 15, 2017 1:21:31 GMT
I have to ask, do you just sit, scrawling through the forum for dead threads to revive? INB4 he uses thread-necroing to segue into complaining about Voodoo being suppressed, appropriated and misappropriated.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Nov 15, 2017 2:59:03 GMT
Necro'd
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Post by Sifr on Nov 15, 2017 8:23:54 GMT
Isn't this the same man who once said;
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest man"
Sending mixed signals much, Wonka?
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 16, 2017 3:27:05 GMT
Isn't this the same man who once said;
"A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest man"
Sending mixed signals much, Wonka? Says the man who's slandering a person that addresses real world issues.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 22, 2017 13:56:48 GMT
Says the man who's slandering a person that addresses real world issues. The extremely warped/skewed perspective that is used to address it is more the problem. But mostly, it's because it's pointless trolling without any relevance to the subject at hand.
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Post by xochipilli on Nov 23, 2017 8:28:32 GMT
Well, I have about 700 pages of the thread to still catch up on (you're all a hoot, by the way). I abandoned ME:A back in the spring (autumn here in NZ) for a variety of reasons, including disappointment over the treatment of M/M romance, frustration with some of the bugs and not feeling much investment in the main story or the characters. But I finally finished my first playthrough last night, and I find my opinion of the game greatly improved. Still not my favourite BioWare or Mass Effect game, though certain aspects of it were the best in the series in my opinion, such as the combat, vehicle, M/M romance with the Jaal addition and personality of the protagonist. I do want a sequel and am disappointed there will not be DLC. Not here for a massive BW overcorrection that throws the baby out with the bathwater.
I'm not sure how much having an equal romance treatment enhanced my experience of finally playing through the whole game, but I know it did significantly, and I'm thankful to BW and everyone else who spoke up about it to them for that. We stayed strong and queer!
Now, back to the salt mines around page 1400 or so to continue catching up on the discussion here.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Nov 24, 2017 8:21:55 GMT
Says the man who's slandering a person that addresses real world issues. The extremely warped/skewed perspective that is used to address it is more the problem. But mostly, it's because it's pointless trolling without any relevance to the subject at hand. To be fair, this time you are the one who brought it up.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 26, 2017 10:00:55 GMT
To be fair, this time you are the one who brought it up. Nah, his initial necro brought it up, I was simply responding with appropriate/snarky derision. (Reviving the thread without any pointless race-baiting would still be welcome though)
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 17, 2017 4:16:50 GMT
To be fair, this time you are the one who brought it up. Nah, his initial necro brought it up, I was simply responding with appropriate/snarky derision. (Reviving the thread without any pointless race-baiting would still be welcome though) By me telling the truth that triggered your frail ego? If it does then too bad.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 19, 2017 4:59:26 GMT
Nah, his initial necro brought it up, I was simply responding with appropriate/snarky derision. (Reviving the thread without any pointless race-baiting would still be welcome though) By me telling the truth that triggered your frail ego? If it does then too bad. My ego is not the one fragile enough to view everything as being about / an attack on race, nor require derailing or necroing random threads in order to sate it. Kindly give it a rest already. The general forums are meant to be for friendly discussion, if you want to discuss politics, take it to the appropriate thread.
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 22, 2017 7:53:16 GMT
By me telling the truth that triggered your frail ego? If it does then too bad. My ego is not the one fragile enough to view everything as being about / an attack on race, nor require derailing or necroing random threads in order to sate it. Kindly give it a rest already. The general forums are meant to be for friendly discussion, if you want to discuss politics, take it to the appropriate thread. You don't tell me what to do. I am an adult. If my comments does not apply to you or about you as an individual, don't reply.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 25, 2017 8:29:22 GMT
You don't tell me what to do. I am an adult. If my comments does not apply to you or about you as an individual, don't reply. If your comments are not about the topic, but regard political or racial issues, you are free to voice them in the appropriate thread.Necroing old threads or derailing conversations in the main forum with such discussions on the other hand is not cool. Do the mods (and other forum-goers) a favour and please take it to off-topic.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Dec 28, 2017 13:35:52 GMT
You don't tell me what to do. I am an adult. If my comments does not apply to you or about you as an individual, don't reply. Yeah that's not how this works. Sifr's recommendation about the appropriateness (or lack thereof) of your chosen discussion spot is dead on. If you need me to make it an official direction, consider it made. Discuss politics in the politics thread. Don't spam the forum with pointless crap (of which repeated necros to grind an ax certainly qualify). Non-compliance will be treated as bad faith and actioned appropriately.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 22, 2018 22:13:45 GMT
So who has a new hot take on ME:A's romances?
I don't.
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Post by turianlannister on Jul 31, 2018 18:59:09 GMT
Oh, people are discussing reasons for hating Addison and Tann. I'm so in. Addison jumps down the throat of someone whose father just died, about their father dying, for something they didn't control. But it wasn't until she called it "stooping to poetry," that she earned my enthusiastic dislike. With Tann it's just his dogged racism...and the fact that it leads to Kesh, whom I adore, being targeted by it. That's fair. Vetra and Ryder will protect Kesh from Tann by smooching her and making Scott smooch Tann Ahem... Can Scott also smooch Vorn? Which is a shame because "soon, often, hard and pretty good" is just how I like it. Lol reach for the stars. I would really like a dorky and shy krogan as companion, even better as romance, we have had three krogan built with the same pattern, Bioware has to break those stereotypes asap or put to rest this race as companion for a bit, same as the asari, a matriarch like Samara would be great. but plz no more young asari How about a krogran like the one dating Nakmor Kesh? As much as I like Vorn I'd prefer a female krogan as our next krogan squadmate (and hopefully a lesbian romance)
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Post by Dirk on Sept 1, 2018 23:46:05 GMT
So who has a new hot take on ME:A's romances? I don't. Jaal is a bottom.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 4, 2018 17:26:03 GMT
So who has a new hot take on ME:A's romances? I don't. Jaal is a bottom. Is he? I saw one piece of "fan art" that had Shepard having his way with Scott. Maybe Scott is verse.
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Post by qunaripenis on Sept 4, 2018 18:25:33 GMT
Is he? I saw one piece of "fan art" that had Shepard having his way with Scott. Maybe Scott is verse. Well he does like to "devour" Scott and Sara so i would bet with Scott he would "devour" him in the other way too
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