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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 22:36:19 GMT
It does seem incredibly unlikely that Sara would get a romance scene with Jaal and Scott would get no scene at all, if he is an option for both. Usually the scenes are almost identical. But the person who claimed it, has said the sex scene with Sara has nudity and the sex scene with Scott hasn't. He said Scott has partially nudity with Reves, and no nudity with Jaal. And that's the reason why I think maybe they don't plan to make Jaal bi. Maybe the so called "sex scene with no nudity" ends with a fade to black, because it was never animated and not intended to make it into the final game. Possibly, but whoever claimed he's bi must have seen something. I guess it's possible that the only nudity in the Sara/Jaal scene is Sara herself. Especially if in both cases Ryder is simply shirtless. |
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Post by Kian on Feb 4, 2017 22:42:41 GMT
I'm curious, what do you mean by this? Because I don't want another sassy gay best friend with a story that's partly fixated on him liking men and why that is BAD and NOT GOOD and IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED!! i guess he is one of those "i was propositioned by anders/kaidan or whatever and i need to be desanitized after that" types. he needs "clear looking gays" not the one that look like "ordinary males" in his eyes. Yeah we keep forgeting to wear our bells and sirens (pink light of course) to let people know TEH GAY is coming! How rude of us!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:42:54 GMT
But the person who claimed it, has said the sex scene with Sara has nudity and the sex scene with Scott hasn't. He said Scott has partially nudity with Reves, and no nudity with Jaal. And that's the reason why I think maybe they don't plan to make Jaal bi. Maybe the so called "sex scene with no nudity" ends with a fade to black, because it was never animated and not intended to make it into the final game. Possibly, but whoever claimed he's bi must have seen something. I guess it's possible that the only nudity in the Sara/Jaal scene is Sara herself. Especially if in both cases Ryder is simply shirtless. He said that he has a friend who knows someone who knows for sure. Well, I don't know...but if they show Sara nude, why wouldn't they do the same thing with Scott? After all, there's also "partial nudity" mentioned with Reyes and I think this means they're both shirtless. If there was partial nudity with Jaal as well, he wouldn't have said there's "no" nudity with him, whereas Sara has some. |
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 22:45:01 GMT
Possibly, but whoever claimed he's bi must have seen something. I guess it's possible that the only nudity in the Sara/Jaal scene is Sara herself. Especially if in both cases Ryder is simply shirtless. He said that he has a friend who knows someone who knows for sure. Well, I don't know...but if they show Sara nude, why wouldn't they do the same thing with Scott? After all, there's also "partial nudity" mentioned with Reyes and I think this means they're both shirtless. If there was partial nudity with Jaal as well, he wouldn't have said there's "no" nudity with him, whereas Sara has some. What I meant was, if both Sara and Scott are shirtless in that scene that would count as partial nudity in Sara's case but not Scotts case, even if they are showing equal amounts of skin. |
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Post by Kian on Feb 4, 2017 22:46:33 GMT
I highly doubt that the current minority will become the majority. And the fact that people will always complain does not mean that Bioware cannot improve in terms of lgbt representation. To be frank, giving up on adding lgbt romance seems like a concession to homophobes. I would personally hate it if Bioware gives up on adding gay romance in their games because it is just so rare in AAA games. Romance options can also play a significant tie into the story and character development. There's no need to sacrifice romance, imo. Really? We already have people in this specific thread mourning over no asexual romances/representation. A lot of people out there are hoping for romances with trans characters. Then the next thing we know, people want bisexual demiboys who are mostly interested in men, trans asexuals, genderqueer graysexuals, agender pansexuals, polyromantic trans lesbians, aromantic genderfluid homosexuals, and so forth and so forth and so forth. Once people have become accustomed to expect LGBT representation, it's gonna become more and more nitpicky on what the next games should have and who should get represented. Whoa there horsie...!!! I nearly slipped on that DRAMATICALLY DANGEROUS SLIPPERY SLOPE argument! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:47:48 GMT
He said that he has a friend who knows someone who knows for sure. Well, I don't know...but if they show Sara nude, why wouldn't they do the same thing with Scott? After all, there's also "partial nudity" mentioned with Reyes and I think this means they're both shirtless. If there was partial nudity with Jaal as well, he wouldn't have said there's "no" nudity with him, whereas Sara has some. What I meant was, if both Sara and Scott are shirtless that would count as partial nudity in Sara's case but not Scotts case, even if they are showing equal amounts of skin. And what means "partial" nudity between Scott and Reyes then? Because if a shirtless Scott doesn't count as partial nude, does it means the sex scene with Reyes also involves butts? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:47:48 GMT
Possibly, but whoever claimed he's bi must have seen something. I guess it's possible that the only nudity in the Sara/Jaal scene is Sara herself. Especially if in both cases Ryder is simply shirtless. He said that he has a friend who knows someone who knows for sure. Well, I don't know...but if they show Sara nude, why wouldn't they do the same thing with Scott? After all, there's also "partial nudity" mentioned with Reyes and I think this means they're both shirtless. If there was partial nudity with Jaal as well, he wouldn't have said there's "no" nudity with him, whereas Sara has some. I talked with him and he seemed legit, but things could change during development time. I remember you asked if there was nudity between Sara and Jaal and he said yes. |
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Feb 4, 2017 22:53:37 GMT
What I meant was, if both Sara and Scott are shirtless that would count as partial nudity in Sara's case but not Scotts case, even if they are showing equal amounts of skin. And what means "partial" nudity between Scott and Reyes then? Because if a shirtless Scott doesn't count as partial nude, does it means the sex scene with Reyes also involves butts? Dorian's sex scene from DAI involved butts, so, I'd guess so. Dicks are strictly X-rated material, but hinies are more okay than even boobs, so. Partial Nudity. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:54:58 GMT
He said that he has a friend who knows someone who knows for sure. Well, I don't know...but if they show Sara nude, why wouldn't they do the same thing with Scott? After all, there's also "partial nudity" mentioned with Reyes and I think this means they're both shirtless. If there was partial nudity with Jaal as well, he wouldn't have said there's "no" nudity with him, whereas Sara has some. I talked with him and he seemed legit, but things could change during development time. I remember you asked if there was nudity between Sara and Jaal and he said yes. I wouldn't like the idea of only showing human nudity while the alien is fully dressed...so I hope he's understood his friend right and the nudity is "between" both characters...If they don't want to show alien nudity, they shouldn't include a sex scene at all or only make it a fade to black scene without showing his naked human girlfriend at his side. I still hope he's also available to Scott. I would be very sad if he turns out to be straight in the end. |
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 22:55:49 GMT
What I meant was, if both Sara and Scott are shirtless that would count as partial nudity in Sara's case but not Scotts case, even if they are showing equal amounts of skin. And what means "partial" nudity between Scott and Reyes then? Because if a shirtless Scott doesn't count as partial nude, does it means the sex scene with Reyes also involves butts? Ok, that's a good. point. The problem with all of this is that the definitions of what counts as nudity or partial nudity are so vague. If Scott being shirtless counts as partial nudity, then I suppose PeeBee showing off her navel might as well count as well. I think in video-game terms it means boobs but no nipples for women and partially obscured butts for men? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 22:57:19 GMT
I talked with him and he seemed legit, but things could change during development time. I remember you asked if there was nudity between Sara and Jaal and he said yes. I wouldn't like the idea of only showing human nudity while the alien is fully dressed...so I hope he's understood his friend right and the nudity is "between" both characters...If they don't want to show alien nudity, they shouldn't include a sex scene at all or only make it a fade to black scene without showing his naked human girlfriend at his side. I still hope he's also available to Scott. I would be very sad if he turns out to be straight in the end. From our talk he seemed to stick with what he saw and what I told him many Jaal fans wanted, so I guess we'll have to wait and see for ourselves. And what means "partial" nudity between Scott and Reyes then? Because if a shirtless Scott doesn't count as partial nude, does it means the sex scene with Reyes also involves butts? Ok, that's a good. point. The problem with all of this is that the definitions of what counts as nudity or partial nudity are so vague. If Scott being shirtless counts as partial nudity, then I suppose PeeBee showing off her navel might as well count as well. I think in video-game terms it means boobs but no nipples for women and partially obscured butts for men? We do see our female Inquisitor's nipples in DAI if we romance Blackwall or Iron Bull. Sera too. We also saw Dorian's butt, so I doubt MEA will go backwards with sex scenes when they hyped them up and made them sound even more detailed than in DAI. |
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Post by Kian on Feb 4, 2017 23:01:22 GMT
It should be noted that, even if they did away with romance arcs, I would still be demanding LGBTA content. Many people would. You cannot escape us so easily. That's good point. LGBT+ characters do exist outside of romances (which is also shown in BW games a bit) and taking romances out of game wouldn't make all characters straight suddenly. Exactly right. Though a lot of the times devs do just that. Make everyone str8 (intentional or not, I don't really care, it simply sucks lol). You can see it in games with open world type of content when you go about and do sidequests: - man approaches you with a desperate look on his face "help they kidnapped my wife... bla bla" (repeat this in various forms 47 times) - woman approaches you with a desperate look on her face "help they kidnapped my husband... bla bla" (repeat this in varous forms 54 times) ETC... And then you ask "but... are there any gay chars in this world?" and the devs go on a rant about how awesomely inclusive they are and point you to a character placed in the most remote part of the game world who, if you spend 5 hours talking to, and chop 12 trees around his house while wearing a unique type of gear, during the summer solstice, will reveal he might have possibly maybe been involved with a same sex partner once before (though he/she was drunk and drugged at the time so he/she can't be sure... but only after he/she tellls you 93 stories about their opposite sex partners of course. I'm still waiting for devs, any devs, to start trating gay people like... you know... people... lol. I want to go about the galaxy (in this case) casually and stumble upon a guy asking me to save his husband from raiders or whatever. Or 2 dads desperate to find their kidnapped son. Or etc. You get the idea. But yeah. It hasn't happened yet. Le sigh. PS: I'm reading the last few pages, and it's very interesting so I just have to answer and comment here and there lol... that's why the spam of messages from me   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:02:27 GMT
And what means "partial" nudity between Scott and Reyes then? Because if a shirtless Scott doesn't count as partial nude, does it means the sex scene with Reyes also involves butts? Dorian's sex scene from DAI involved butts, so, I'd guess so. Dicks are strictly X-rated material, but hinies are more okay than even boobs, so. Partial Nudity. I read again what DaveLiam wrote about Reyes. As it seems there's only a fade to black scene. No mention of butts. I still think we only get to see two shirtless men kissing. : / |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:07:04 GMT
And what means "partial" nudity between Scott and Reyes then? Because if a shirtless Scott doesn't count as partial nude, does it means the sex scene with Reyes also involves butts? Ok, that's a good. point. The problem with all of this is that the definitions of what counts as nudity or partial nudity are so vague. If Scott being shirtless counts as partial nudity, then I suppose PeeBee showing off her navel might as well count as well. I think in video-game terms it means boobs but no nipples for women and partially obscured butts for men? I'm somewhat worried that Jaal might not be an option at all. But hopefully it's just the weird definition of nudity why people think there will be differences in the Jaal romance between Scott and Sara. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:14:31 GMT
Ok, that's a good. point. The problem with all of this is that the definitions of what counts as nudity or partial nudity are so vague. If Scott being shirtless counts as partial nudity, then I suppose PeeBee showing off her navel might as well count as well. I think in video-game terms it means boobs but no nipples for women and partially obscured butts for men? I'm somewhat worried that Jaal might not be an option at all. But hopefully it's just the weird definition of nudity why people think there will be differences in the Jaal romance between Scott and Sara. We know we can have sex with Jaal (devs said so, unless they meant another Angara), but we don't have conformation on which Ryder, or if both can. The devs ignored people asking, but have not discouraged any tweets about him and Scott, so if it's not true, then many people will feel misled I fear. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:15:54 GMT
I spoke with him as well and specifically asked what he meant by "partial nudity" for the ScottxReyes scene (because my leak indicated that they were just shirtless with a fade to black). He said that his leak saw the same thing but he was calling that partial nudity. So if he considers shirtless male as "partial nudity", it would imply that Jaal's scene had ZERO nudity (not even shirtless) since he made a clear distinction that Jaal was no nudity and Reyes was partial nudity (shirtless). None of this bodes terribly well. Because it would mean that they actively chose not to include any real nudity in m/m scenes but DID include it in at least some of the other scenes. According to my source, there's bare breasts in ScottxPeeBee and SaraxPeeBee. And rear nudity (including male) in those as well.
So that means that they rendered male rear nudity but then CHOSE not to include it in the m/m scenes. I know that I'm being a little pessimistic here, but if both leaks are to be trusted, we know two m/m scenes and neither of them include anything more than a shirtless fade to black when others show much more. It's disappointing to think that this is the direction that they've chosen to go. |
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Post by Kian on Feb 4, 2017 23:16:34 GMT
If we go back in time to Jade Empire censoring ONLY the gay males kiss, I will be seriously and profoundly pissed. I'm hoping this is just my paranoia talking and Bioware wouldn't do that lol... Edit: Changed "proundly" to "profoundly"  Wth is "proundly"... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:18:52 GMT
<snip> And then you ask "but... are there any gay chars in this world?" and the devs go on a rant about how awesomely inclusive they are and point you to a character placed in the most remote part of the game world who, if you spend 5 hours talking to, and chop 12 trees around his house while wearing a unique type of gear, during the summer solstice, will reveal he might have possibly maybe been involved with a same sex partner once before (though he/she was drunk and drugged at the time so he/she can't be sure... but only after he/she tellls you 93 stories about their opposite sex partners of course. <snip>   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:20:25 GMT
I'm somewhat worried that Jaal might not be an option at all. But hopefully it's just the weird definition of nudity why people think there will be differences in the Jaal romance between Scott and Sara. We know we can have sex with Jaal (devs said so, unless they meant another Angara), but we don't have conformation on which Ryder, or if both can. The devs ignored people asking, but have not discouraged any tweets about him and Scott, so if it's not true, then many people will feel misled I fear. Especially since the tweet "can we kiss them?" came from a male user as far as I remember (or at least he had a very male sounding name)...okay, there's always the possibility that we can kiss more than one Angara, but still... I would feel somewhat misled because they answered to a male sounding name with "mhm" and everyone knows that people expect Jaal behind the kiss. |
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 23:24:21 GMT
I spoke with him as well and specifically asked what he meant by "partial nudity" for the ScottxReyes scene (because my leak indicated that they were just shirtless with a fade to black). He said that his leak saw the same thing but he was calling that partial nudity. So if he considers shirtless male as "partial nudity", it would imply that Jaal's scene had ZERO nudity (not even shirtless) since he made a clear distinction that Jaal was no nudity and Reyes was partial nudity (shirtless). None of this bodes terribly well. Because it would mean that they actively chose not to include any real nudity in m/m scenes but DID include it in at least some of the other scenes. According to my source, there's bare breasts in ScottxPeeBee and SaraxPeeBee. And rear nudity (including male) in those as well.
So that means that they rendered male rear nudity but then CHOSE not to include it in the m/m scenes. I know that I'm being a little pessimistic here, but if both leaks are to be trusted, we know two m/m scenes and neither of them include anything more than a shirtless fade to black when others show much more. It's disappointing to think that this is the direction that they've chosen to go. That's a bit disappointing, but as long as both Sara and Scott get the same scene with Jaal I won't be too upset. None of the previous male aliens got any nudity either. Thinking about it, other than Asari no aliens have, so It's not exactly unexpected.
It also depends on the scene in question. Some scenes can be very hot and sexually charged without the removing of clothes. That Fenris kissing scene was hotter than anything else Bioware has offered, though that's probably just personal preference.
Ultimately I don't mind much myself. Tali, Fenris and Josephine are my favorite LI's across all Bioware games, and all of them remained fully clothed throughout their romances. I never even saw Tali's face. But I do feel for the players who wanted at least Dorian-level scenes in their Scott x male human LI's in Andromeda.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 4, 2017 23:36:44 GMT
I spoke with him as well and specifically asked what he meant by "partial nudity" for the ScottxReyes scene (because my leak indicated that they were just shirtless with a fade to black). He said that his leak saw the same thing but he was calling that partial nudity. So if he considers shirtless male as "partial nudity", it would imply that Jaal's scene had ZERO nudity (not even shirtless) since he made a clear distinction that Jaal was no nudity and Reyes was partial nudity (shirtless). None of this bodes terribly well. Because it would mean that they actively chose not to include any real nudity in m/m scenes but DID include it in at least some of the other scenes. According to my source, there's bare breasts in ScottxPeeBee and SaraxPeeBee. And rear nudity (including male) in those as well.
So that means that they rendered male rear nudity but then CHOSE not to include it in the m/m scenes. I know that I'm being a little pessimistic here, but if both leaks are to be trusted, we know two m/m scenes and neither of them include anything more than a shirtless fade to black when others show much more. It's disappointing to think that this is the direction that they've chosen to go. Damn, if that turns out to be true about the sex scene, I will riot. I think ME1, 2 and SWTOR was enough shit and I will not simples be ok with that ever again. They need to go forward and not back at this point. Of course it can be different in the gold version of the game, I will wait and see. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:37:57 GMT
That's a bit disappointing, but as long as both Sara and Scott get the same scene with Jaal I won't be too upset. None of the previous male aliens got any nudity either. Thinking about it, other than Asari no aliens have, so It's not exactly unexpected.
It also depends on the scene in question. Some scenes can be very hot and sexually charged without the removing of clothes. That Fenris kissing scene was hotter than anything else Bioware has offered, though that's probably just personal preference. Ultimately I don't mind much myself. Tali, Fenris and Josephine are my favorite LI's across all Bioware games, and all of them remained fully clothes throughout the entirety of their romances. I never even saw Tali's face. But I do feel for the players who wanted at least Dorian-level scenes in their Scott x male human LI's in Andromeda. Ultimately, I don't need to see nudity in the romance scenes either. After all, until DA: I, the most anyone had gotten was some implied, partial nudity in some of the ME scenes. But I think, again, that this is yet another example of a small irksome thing that just adds to the cumulative small irksome things that seem to happen to gay audiences at a much more consistent rate than other groups. Death by a thousand papercuts. |
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 4, 2017 23:44:58 GMT
That's a bit disappointing, but as long as both Sara and Scott get the same scene with Jaal I won't be too upset. None of the previous male aliens got any nudity either. Thinking about it, other than Asari no aliens have, so It's not exactly unexpected.
It also depends on the scene in question. Some scenes can be very hot and sexually charged without the removing of clothes. That Fenris kissing scene was hotter than anything else Bioware has offered, though that's probably just personal preference. Ultimately I don't mind much myself. Tali, Fenris and Josephine are my favorite LI's across all Bioware games, and all of them remained fully clothes throughout the entirety of their romances. I never even saw Tali's face. But I do feel for the players who wanted at least Dorian-level scenes in their Scott x male human LI's in Andromeda. Ultimately, I don't need to see nudity in the romance scenes either. After all, until DA: I, the most anyone had gotten was some implied, partial nudity in some of the ME scenes. But I think, again, that this is yet another example of a small irksome thing that just adds to the cumulative small irksome things that seem to happen to gay audiences at a much more consistent rate than other groups. Death by a thousand papercuts. If what we suspect about the scenes is true then I definitely think people have a right to complain, or at least ask them to approach it differently in future DLC / Andromeda games. But we should wait until we have all of the romance scenes in the game up on youtube before getting too upset. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:47:36 GMT
If what we suspect about the scenes is true then I definitely think people have a right to complain, or at least ask them to approach it differently in future DLC / Andromeda games. But we should until we have all of the romance scenes in the game up on youtube before getting too upset. Without a doubt. There is ZERO confirmed information about this stuff. For all we know, there's a dev reading this right now and rushing to make scene edits as we speak. What? It could happen......  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 23:50:03 GMT
I spoke with him as well and specifically asked what he meant by "partial nudity" for the ScottxReyes scene (because my leak indicated that they were just shirtless with a fade to black). He said that his leak saw the same thing but he was calling that partial nudity. So if he considers shirtless male as "partial nudity", it would imply that Jaal's scene had ZERO nudity (not even shirtless) since he made a clear distinction that Jaal was no nudity and Reyes was partial nudity (shirtless). None of this bodes terribly well. Because it would mean that they actively chose not to include any real nudity in m/m scenes but DID include it in at least some of the other scenes. According to my source, there's bare breasts in ScottxPeeBee and SaraxPeeBee. And rear nudity (including male) in those as well.
So that means that they rendered male rear nudity but then CHOSE not to include it in the m/m scenes. I know that I'm being a little pessimistic here, but if both leaks are to be trusted, we know two m/m scenes and neither of them include anything more than a shirtless fade to black when others show much more. It's disappointing to think that this is the direction that they've chosen to go. I would have said maybe Jaal is not a big romance then and his scenes are short, but the guy said Jaal gets nudity with Sara. I think this is rather unfair for the males who want to romance him. |
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