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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:30:07 GMT
I want Jaal too, but it's really unfair that only Sara has nudity with him....whats the point behind that stupid decision to exclude Scott, although he has a romance with him as well, according to the leak/info? Maybe we'll get more than one love scene. That would be good...I'm very doubtful, but nonetheless it would be good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:33:36 GMT
The gay romances could still be spectacular, important and full of content even if the banging isn't as explicit as the other bangings... even though it does sound quite freaking weird for the devs not give gay romances the same focus on the sex like the others. Like what is their excuse? I can't come up with any.
Even so, fingers crossed for a good gay romance, because that's what matters to me. Maybe they couldn't get over themselves to programme such scenes...because disgusting -.- I hope not, but it's hard to net get this vibe.
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Post by fialka on Jan 27, 2017 19:34:35 GMT
Alright, everybody calm down (for now - if you guys are proven right upon the game's release by all mean, get mad!) But for now all we have is leaked stuff that might not even be a complete picture: All we know is that there's a scene between PeeBee and either twin, and for whatever reason there's more nudity in Sara's scene than in Scott's. And we have one gay scene with a non-squadmate (far as we know) that doesn't feature actual sex - no way to know if that's the only scene between those two characters or if it was even complete (they were tweeting about making and polishing those kinds of scenes in the game pretty recently so it could've been a work in progress). the Jaal thing was just one poster's speculation. We don't even know if Jaal is available to both genders yet, so there's no way to compare sex scenes we have zero info on. Yes, ME has a pretty poor track record of this. But I think people should wait to see what's in the game before going into panic mod, no?
The actual quote, from daveliam, for context:
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 27, 2017 19:38:36 GMT
who should I/we hit up on Twitter on the team to ask about any m/m nudity or is it all censored? I mean, the Dorian scene in DA:I had butt at least!!
As someone else said, I couldn't romance anyone till ME3 sadly (gay male.) It's always been annoying how M/F and F/F are much more easily accepted than M/M but that's society for you.
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Post by Blue-Slates on Jan 27, 2017 19:38:49 GMT
Huh, I'm not sure about how I feel about BroRyder not getting nudity like SisRyder does. I suppose it's not the nudity I care about, but rather the discrepancy at all. It kinda has me worried that it might be a Kaidan/MShep situation again where BroRyder might get less content in bi romances with dudes, and really with other men in general. While I am glad to get Jaal as an LI for BroRyder (if a little petty that dudes can't have him all to themselves ) that's not really heartening. It defs creates a perception that broRyders get less. If that's not the case then I won't complain, since it's not really the sex I'm after. And yeah it also screams straight dude pandering "hell yeah naked ladiez but naked dudes is gross and gay" slightly.
Anyway, I'm gonna wait for a more reliable source (which will probably be the game anyway) about all of this before I resign myself :/ Edit: Ah but if it turns out gay LIs are sidelined again, I'm gonna be quite miffed. And I mean American quite, not British quite
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Jan 27, 2017 19:41:09 GMT
Jaal, bi romance for Scott and Sara (no nudity for Scott scenes) Reyes, gay romance for Scott (some partially nudity) Yeah I'm a bit disappointed, cuz I don't care about alien romances (Jaal) and Reyes will not be in the squad, so aka Steve from ME3 I wanted bi/gay human male companion DISCUSSION OF LEAKED INFORMATION Wow, that's... really disappointing, if true or unchanged. I mean. For dudes it's just ass. If they could shoehorn Miranda's ass into every shot she was in, then you can certainly find a way to make it happen a bit for a m/m sex scene.
On another, personal, note, if the "you don't have to have sex" was really code for "we didn't want to show dude hiney" I'm gonna be pissed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:43:30 GMT
who should I/we hit up on Twitter on the team to ask about any m/m nudity or is it all censored? I mean, the Dorian scene in DA:I had butt at least!! As someone else said, I couldn't romance anyone till ME3 sadly (male gay.) Oh yes, please ask someone. that would be really nice....I do not know who you can ask, though. I'm not on twitter.
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Post by Nightlife on Jan 27, 2017 19:49:28 GMT
Ok I sent a tweet to Ian who is a Lead Designer - I said: "@tibermoon Worry on new BSN forums that M/M romance scenes show less than their M/F + F/F counterparts. Dorian showed butt in DA:I; comment?"
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Post by Blue-Slates on Jan 27, 2017 19:53:09 GMT
I'll be surprised if we get anything other than a "Just wait and see" :/
(golly I gotta tone down the negativity)
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 27, 2017 19:55:41 GMT
Isn't that just about one romance scene with one LI for m/m and f/f though. There might be tons of nudity with other LIs or with same LI, but different scenes. I wouldn't make that conclusion just yet. Though it that was a true, it would suck. Don't get me wrong. I still hope romances will be more equal this time. But Mass Effect doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to equality, so I'm still sceptical. In the last game only Liara (aka Bioware's pet) got to be nude, everyone else (including a Shepard who was romancing Liara) got to have sex in their underwear (except if you were Garrus or Tali, then you got a fade to black because of 'resources' Jan 27, 2017 9:52:16 GMT liarashepard said: What? Only f/m gehts nudity? And I thought I couldn't be more disappointed.... Bioware has proven me wrong again if this turns out to be true. No, not only f/m, f/f (i.e. lesbian romances) are nude too. M/M, i.e. the one which would be least attractive to straight male gamers, gets no nudity
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 19:57:37 GMT
I'll be surprised if we get anything other than a "Just wait and see" :/ (golly I gotta tone down the negativity) Hopefully we'll get an answer. They shouldn't make a secret of it. ... it has nothing to do with story or romances in particular.Making a secret of it only leads to negative expectations.
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Post by Joey on Jan 27, 2017 19:58:32 GMT
Jaal, bi romance for Scott and Sara (no nudity for Scott scenes) Reyes, gay romance for Scott (some partially nudity) Yeah I'm a bit disappointed, cuz I don't care about alien romances (Jaal) and Reyes will not be in the squad, so aka Steve from ME3 I wanted bi/gay human male companion Bi Jaal romance with no nudity for Scott? Did I miss some leak? Or it's just a pure speculation? Because your comment sounds like it's official.
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Post by fialka on Jan 27, 2017 20:02:51 GMT
Jaal, bi romance for Scott and Sara (no nudity for Scott scenes) Reyes, gay romance for Scott (some partially nudity) Yeah I'm a bit disappointed, cuz I don't care about alien romances (Jaal) and Reyes will not be in the squad, so aka Steve from ME3 I wanted bi/gay human male companion Bi Jaal romance with no nudity for Scott? Did I miss some leak? Or it's just a pure speculation? Because your comment sounds like it's official. Speculation. See my post above on this page. Contains the actual leak.
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 27, 2017 20:03:08 GMT
Folks, I don't mean to be rude, but I think everyone is forgetting a couple of important things, when it comes to nudity. In terms of rating and classification, it is a lot easier to get away with breast and butt nudity than showing penis. I don't think effort or inclusivity has everything to do with why there may not be any hard dicking action. We're not talking about breasts versus penis We're talking female butts versus male butts. No nudity in m/m scenes means that there's no butts
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 27, 2017 20:04:11 GMT
Probably the nudity will be all Sara's...because, you know...straight male's pleasures is always top priority... U_U I've said it before, I'll say it again: I don't want to be looking at my character. I want to see the guy.
We've had this problem with the Thane and Garrus scenes in the trilogy. They might be able to pull off that they don't know how to design the body of a turian or if it'd be off putting to some viewers (they have said this), but Thane's model would be easy, since he looks just like a male human (body wise). I know... I hate these kind of things. I have no interest in seeing my characters boobs. I'm female... I know how they look. I have no inclination to see another woman's boobs. Eh, is the sad destiny of the straight woman player (and gay male player). Really, one would believe it is a learned lesson that female/gay players like sex scenes too, and romance a man because they find him attractive... I still roll my eyes at DA2, where male LIs don't even take down the hammer from their back for sex (Fenris anyone?). DAI got us some good male booty, but I have little trust in the ME team. I hope to be wrong, of course...
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Post by turianlannister on Jan 27, 2017 20:05:22 GMT
No one is asking for genitals, but what's the point of showing butts in a M/F and F/F scene, but not showing anything in the M/M scene? So... seeing butts would make the scene more valid, then? Look, I'm for nudity and sex in games. The shower scene with Traynor was stupid, the DAO scenes with full undies were stupid, but without knowing how the whoopee goes down, saying that lack of nudity is indicative of lack of support or care from Bioware is tantamount to histronics, to me. If the scene SHOULD have nudity based on context, fair. But if not, then not having it doesn't mean that Bioware is being neglectful. It's a lot harder to get away with male nudity waist down, regardless. "P It male nudity waist down is harder to get away with, regardless, how come Dragon Age Inquisition had naked Dorian butt during his romance?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 20:11:25 GMT
Didn't they imply lots of sex scenes? We may have some leaked info, but DAI had more than one sex scene. We might see a Dorian-like scene later.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 27, 2017 20:13:13 GMT
Didn't they imply lots of sex scenes? We may have some leaked info, but DAI had more than one sex scene. We might see a Dorian-like scene later. That stated in general there are more romances then before. It's true they're hinting at more sex scenes too, but we don't know exactly which type of romance they're referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 20:15:45 GMT
Didn't they imply lots of sex scenes? We may have some leaked info, but DAI had more than one sex scene. We might see a Dorian-like scene later. That stated in general there are more romances then before. It's true they're hinting at more sex scenes too, but we don't know exactly which type of romance they're referring to. Unless the Dorian scene received a lot of negative feedback I doubt they will keep the m/m scenes completely innocent. Fingers crossed!
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 27, 2017 20:21:41 GMT
That stated in general there are more romances then before. It's true they're hinting at more sex scenes too, but we don't know exactly which type of romance they're referring to. Unless the Dorian scene received a lot of negative feedback I doubt they will keep the m/m scenes completely innocent. Fingers crossed! Why would that scene get negative feedback though, people who'd be sensitive to male butts probably wouldn't romance Dorian to begin with. That's why this whole '' can't include sorta explicit gay content to the game cuz straight guys!!!!111 '' doesn't add up because romances have always(?) been optional and people who don't want to see homoerotic content won't pursue it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 20:24:02 GMT
Unless the Dorian scene received a lot of negative feedback I doubt they will keep the m/m scenes completely innocent. Fingers crossed! Why would that scene get negative feedback though, people who'd be sensitive to male butts probably wouldn't romance Dorian to begin with. That's why this whole '' can't include sorta explicit gay content to the game cuz straight guys!!!!111 '' doesn't add up because romances have always(?) been optional and people who don't want to see homoerotic content won't pursue it. Exactly. That's why I doubt m/m romances are being shafted. Unless we don't know something the devs know regarding Dorian's romance scene and feedback, I don't see the leaked scenes for MEA as being the only ones for m/m.
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Post by Elsariel on Jan 27, 2017 20:36:32 GMT
I've said it before, I'll say it again: I don't want to be looking at my character. I want to see the guy.
We've had this problem with the Thane and Garrus scenes in the trilogy. They might be able to pull off that they don't know how to design the body of a turian or if it'd be off putting to some viewers (they have said this), but Thane's model would be easy, since he looks just like a male human (body wise). I know... I hate these kind of things. I have no interest in seeing my characters boobs. I'm female... I know how they look. I have no inclination to see another woman's boobs. Eh, is the sad destiny of the straight woman player (and gay male player). Really, one would believe it is a learned lesson that female/gay players like sex scenes too, and romance a man because they find him attractive... I still roll my eyes at DA2, where male LIs don't even take down the hammer from their back for sex (Fenris anyone?). DAI got us some good male booty, but I have little trust in the ME team. I hope to be wrong, of course... Serious question: Why the spoiler tags? just in case this needs to be under spoiler for some reason... I wanted to add my two cents. I'm also a straight woman and, really, I don't mind if my SisRyder is totally naked in sex scenes, that can be hot too, I just don't want her to be the only one. I definitely agree that it would piss me right off if they don't show our men naked too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 20:43:15 GMT
I know... I hate these kind of things. I have no interest in seeing my characters boobs. I'm female... I know how they look. I have no inclination to see another woman's boobs. Eh, is the sad destiny of the straight woman player (and gay male player). Really, one would believe it is a learned lesson that female/gay players like sex scenes too, and romance a man because they find him attractive... I still roll my eyes at DA2, where male LIs don't even take down the hammer from their back for sex (Fenris anyone?). DAI got us some good male booty, but I have little trust in the ME team. I hope to be wrong, of course... Serious question: Why the spoiler tags? just in case this needs to be under spoiler for some reason... I wanted to add my two cents. I'm also a straight woman and, really, I don't mind if my SisRyder is totally naked in sex scenes, that can be hot too, I just don't want her to be the only one. I definitely agree that it would piss me right off if they don't show our men naked too. Agree. They should show both characters equally...Both the protagonist and our love interest.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 27, 2017 20:44:53 GMT
I know... I hate these kind of things. I have no interest in seeing my characters boobs. I'm female... I know how they look. I have no inclination to see another woman's boobs. Eh, is the sad destiny of the straight woman player (and gay male player). Really, one would believe it is a learned lesson that female/gay players like sex scenes too, and romance a man because they find him attractive... I still roll my eyes at DA2, where male LIs don't even take down the hammer from their back for sex (Fenris anyone?). DAI got us some good male booty, but I have little trust in the ME team. I hope to be wrong, of course... Serious question: Why the spoiler tags? just in case this needs to be under spoiler for some reason... I wanted to add my two cents. I'm also a straight woman and, really, I don't mind if my SisRyder is totally naked in sex scenes, that can be hot too, I just don't want her to be the only one. I definitely agree that it would piss me right off if they don't show our men naked too. I guess because since it was speculation with-maybe-something-true we continued the discussion under spoiler... I don't mind my character nude either, but only if the counterpart is just as naked. I hate when my female character is naked/in underwear and the male is dressed, like in DA2. I was annoyed by Thane and Garrus too. At least some cuddle, a caress, a hug with Garrus, would have been cute. The head bumb was silly.
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