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Post by Ianamus on Feb 18, 2017 17:12:07 GMT
I find it difficult to feel much sympathy for straight female players, given they had pretty much double the number of options of everyone else in Inquisition. As for gay male players, I'll wait and see. It looks like it'll be a step up from ME3 no matter what they do. I'm really happy with what's been teased so far. I was hoping for a male alien and an actually alien-looking female LI for my Scott, and it looks like he'll have both Maybe this will be the first Bioware game where more than one of the romances appeals to me. If we're trying to even things out in gaming then straight male players shouldn't be getting any female romance options for the next... oh, 20 years or so. Everyone always goes on about how lucky and catered to straight male players are and my response is... ehhh. Does that mean as a bisexual male player I get 'more options' than even them? Kind of, and kinda not. Yes, I can play any romance in the game but... so can everyone else? I honestly don't even think that I get more sexual gratification out of more romances than most people. I can only think of one or two cases where in-game romance content has actually turned me on to any degree. Usually I just like them because they are sweet and romantic- a level on which anyone could appreciate them. If Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Thane and jacob "don't count" because reasons then I can say that all the LI's I don't personally like the romance content of (which is a lot of them) don't count either. Ashley is species-ist and abandons you in ME2, Liara is obsessive and creepy. Morrigan abandons you if you don't agree to siring a demon-child, and Zevran tries to kill you and betrays you on a whim if you aren't overly kind to him. Miranda is cold, has daddy issues, can't have children and is more interested in Shepard as a lab project than a partner. Jack is a bald psychotic maniac, Isabela a sleazy non-commital potential traitor and Dorian is camp as hell and has ugly facial hair. Oh, and I almost forgot Kaidan existed. At the end of the day we are creating a romance story of our choosing- not entering a romance ourselves.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 18, 2017 17:12:14 GMT
It's not the amount of romances, it's the stories that went with them. Every straight romance I had with a guy ended in drama, drama and more drama! Josie is the best one to have for a fluffy ending, and even Sera is pretty darn cute, but again, not for straight females. That was my issue. Cullen only went fluffy in Trespasser. I'm hearing rumors a certain MEA romance is going to be dramatic like that and it's like "whhhy?" lol The only fluff ones are Leliana and Josephine really and one is an NPC, Sera can end in tragedy all the same. Especially if you are an Elfinquisitor, it was the most frustrating experience I ever played in a game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 17:13:37 GMT
It's not the amount of romances, it's the stories that went with them. Every straight romance I had with a guy ended in drama, drama and more drama! Josie is the best one to have for a fluffy ending, and even Sera is pretty darn cute, but again, not for straight females. That was my issue. Cullen only went fluffy in Trespasser. I'm hearing rumors a certain MEA romance is going to be dramatic like that and it's like "whhhy?" lol The only fluff ones are Leliana and Josephine really and one is an NPC, Sera can end in tragedy all the same. Especially if you are an Elfinquisitor, it was the most frustrating experience I ever played in a game. Yeah I know drama is common, but can we tone it down a bit? lol MEA is supposed to be about hope and new beginnings. I would like to have a slightly fluffy ending with my LI.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 18, 2017 17:15:58 GMT
I don't expect as much angst or drama with these romances. There may be some for some certainly, but overall Bioware has said this game has a lighter tone than the Shepard Trilogy and I can see that extending to the romances as well.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 18, 2017 17:19:21 GMT
If we're trying to even things out in gaming then straight male players shouldn't be getting any female romance options for the next... oh, 20 years or so. Everyone always goes on about how lucky and catered to straight male players are and my response is... ehhh. Does that mean as a bisexual male player I get 'more options' than even them? Kind of, and kinda not. Yes, I can play any romance in the game but... so can everyone else? I honestly don't even think that I get more sexual gratification out of more romances than most people. I can only think of one or two cases where in-game romance content has actually turned me on to any degree. Usually I just like them because they are sweet and romantic- a level on which anyone could appreciate them. If Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Thane and jacob "don't count" because reasons then I can say that all the LI's I don't personally like the romance content of (which is a lot of them) don't count either. Ashley is species-ist and abandons you in ME2, Liara is obsessive and creepy. Morrigan abandons you if you don't agree to siring a demon-child, and Zevran tries to kill you and betrays you on a whim if you aren't overly kind to him. Miranda is cold, has daddy issues, can't have children and is more interested in Shepard as a lab project than a partner. Jack is a bald psychotic maniac, Isabela a sleazy non-commital potential traitor and Dorian is camp as hell and has ugly facial hair. Oh, and I almost forgot Kaidan existed. At the end of the day we are creating a romance story of our choosing- not entering a romance ourselves. Okay, okay, but nobody's perfect, everyone has some flaws... I found Kaidan really good, one of the best romances. For me ofc.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 18, 2017 17:20:37 GMT
The only fluff ones are Leliana and Josephine really and one is an NPC, Sera can end in tragedy all the same. Especially if you are an Elfinquisitor, it was the most frustrating experience I ever played in a game. Yeah I know drama is common, but can we tone it down a bit? lol MEA is supposed to be about hope and new beginnings. I would like to have a slightly fluffy ending with my LI. I am not worry about the content really or the ending of the romance. I am more worried about not having good content with companions. I dislike Sera but she is still the first lesbian companion and at least there is that... I guess I do not care if I like the characters, some equal treatment would be nice on bioware part.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 17:20:46 GMT
Everyone always goes on about how lucky and catered to straight male players are and my response is... ehhh. Does that mean as a bisexual male player I get 'more options' than even them? Kind of, and kinda not. Yes, I can play any romance in the game but... so can everyone else? I honestly don't even think that I get more sexual gratification out of more romances than most people. I can only think of one or two cases where in-game romance content has actually turned me on to any degree. Usually I just like them because they are sweet and romantic- a level on which anyone could appreciate them. If Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Thane and jacob "don't count" because reasons then I can say that all the LI's I don't personally like the romance content of (which is a lot of them) don't count either. Ashley is species-ist and abandons you in ME2, Liara is obsessive and creepy. Morrigan abandons you if you don't agree to siring a demon-child, and Zevran tries to kill you and betrays you on a whim if you aren't overly kind to him. Miranda is cold, has daddy issues, can't have children and is more interested in Shepard as a lab project than a partner. Jack is a bald psychotic maniac, Isabela a sleazy non-commital potential traitor and Dorian is camp as hell and has ugly facial hair. Oh, and I almost forgot Kaidan existed. At the end of the day we are creating a romance story of our choosing- not entering a romance ourselves. Okay, okay, but nobody's perfect, everyone has some flaws... I found Kaidan really good, one of the best romances. For me ofc. You'll like Liam and Jaal then for sure! Mihura I know what you mean, but I have confidence they did it right this time. I plan to work on the friendships with everyone first, see who I get along with best and go from there. They said they invested in the friendships as equally as the romances, so I'm hoping to go from friends to lovers with my LI and not just hop into bed after a few flirts like in other games.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 18, 2017 17:26:49 GMT
Okay, okay, but nobody's perfect, everyone has some flaws... I found Kaidan really good, one of the best romances. For me ofc. You'll like Liam and Jaal then for sure! Mihura I know what you mean, but i have confidence they did it right this time. I plan to work on the friendships with everyone first, see who I get along with best and go from there. They said they invested in the friendships as equally as the romances, so I'm hoping to go from friend sot lovers with my LI. I also love Anders, so it is not excluded ... what's problem with them (except that Liam according to the rumors is straight)? I would liked Garrus as gay LI, one of my favorite mate. I try to keep some distance to avoid the spoilers, so I just rarely visiting the character forums yet.
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Post by theratpack55 on Feb 18, 2017 17:27:28 GMT
If we're trying to even things out in gaming then straight male players shouldn't be getting any female romance options for the next... oh, 20 years or so. Everyone always goes on about how lucky and catered to straight male players are and my response is... ehhh. Does that mean as a bisexual male player I get 'more options' than even them? Kind of, and kinda not. Yes, I can play any romance in the game but... so can everyone else? I honestly don't even think that I get more sexual gratification out of more romances than most people. I can only think of one or two cases where in-game romance content has actually turned me on to any degree. Usually it's just sweet and romantic- a level on which anyone could appreciate them. If Solas, Blackwall, Iron Bull, Thane and jacob "don't count" because reasons then I can say that all the LI's I don't personally like the romance content of (which is a lot of them) don't count either. Ashley is species-ist and abandons you in ME2, Liara is obsessive and creepy. Morrigan abandons you if you don't agree to siring a demon-child, and Zevran tries to kill you and betrays you on a whim if you aren't overly kind to him. Miranda is cold, has daddy issues, can't have children and is more interested in Shepard as a lab project than a partner. Jack is a bald psychotic maniac, Isabela a sleazy non-commital potential traitor and Dorian is camp as hell and has ugly facial hair. Oh, and I almost forgot Kaidan existed. At the end of the day we are creating a romance story of our choosing- not entering a romance ourselves. I'm only talking (a bit tongue-in-cheek, too) about numbers here, mostly in reference to your statement about not feeling for straight female players cause they had "more options in DAI". Since, you know, in terms of those numbers straight females are waaaay behind straight males when it comes to gaming in general, and even BW games alone. As for enjoyment of particular romances, that comes down to every single person's personal preferences so I don't think it's quantifiable. I can only say that I as a straight female have never been able to play through a romance with a female character, whether with a male or female PC. I just couldn't bring myself to care about the relationship and therefore didn't feel immersed and didn't enjoy the content. So for me, personally, those could very well not exist. But of course that doesn't mean I think they should not exist, since I'm not the only person in the world playing the game. Which is why I ultimately believe the best way to approach romances in games is to offer at least an equal amount of male/female and straight/gay options. What those characters should be like is another issue altogether, and a far more complicated one.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 18, 2017 17:27:32 GMT
Does that mean as a bisexual male player I get 'more options' than even them? Short answer: yes. Long answer: yes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 17:29:52 GMT
You'll like Liam and Jaal then for sure! Mihura I know what you mean, but i have confidence they did it right this time. I plan to work on the friendships with everyone first, see who I get along with best and go from there. They said they invested in the friendships as equally as the romances, so I'm hoping to go from friend sot lovers with my LI. I also love Anders, so it is not excluded ... what's problem with them (except that Liam according to the rumors is straight)? I would liked Garrus as gay LI, one of my favorite mate. I try to keep some distance to avoid the spoilers, so I just rarely visiting the character forums yet. Haha well I meant Liam's writer is the one who wrote Kaidan in ME1 and 2, and Jaal's writer wrote Kaidan in ME3.
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Post by xilizhra on Feb 18, 2017 17:31:30 GMT
Ok, so unless they confirm some more male LIs soon, it remains that the straight male and lesbian players are once again getting the most/and or better options of LIs, with straight women and gay men getting shafted again. And given the leaks about the sex scenes, it would appear even with the potential options for lesbians, its still the straight male gaze that is getting the most out of the romances You thought that lesbians were better off than straight women? In what universe?
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Post by davkar on Feb 18, 2017 17:39:35 GMT
I disagree. I was genuinely surprised when Tali and Garrus turned out to be LIs in ME2. A pre released list would have ruined the experience. At this point it's impossible to do something similar since everyone expects the squadmates to be available. I rolled my eyes when Dorian was announced as gay ("oh, here comes the pandering..."), but he turned out to be a great character, not just a token romance. L Sera announcement was disappointing because I like elf women (rolled a femquisitor, problem solved), but I liked that even with a Mquisitor you can still be her friend. I really hope that MEA takes the same route with the relationships. They offer more than just the romance or goaway, if you want you can form lasting and great friendships with every potential LI (squad or otherwise) regardless of their orientation. Cora and Scott kiss was pandering too? Ashley/Miranda hooking up with Shepard in ME1/2/3 trailers? However it should be taboo and pandering every time they announce a LGBTQ character? C'mon dude Mainstream media is an eternal pandering for heterosexual people then. Yeah, you could have been surprised when you found out about Tali and Garrus, just imagine when gay male players found out how there weren't m/m romance, even f/f romances were a product for straight male players without lesbian players in mind. You have to understand that you have advantage and privilege on this, because you will never have to worry about of being excluded, and it's a fact that the most important characters have been straight. That's not what I said but whatever... M/M romance will never make it to a game's promotion, it would be a marketing suicide. It's just a fact, to make it work society as a whole needs to change (change, not to be changed!). Oh and believe me, I worry about the Cora romance, I'm afraid that she'll end up as the usual 'boring sexy poster girl' who 'sells' the game. I don't want another Miri/Ash. Before ME2 I had an Ash save (the 2nd), switched to Miri in 2 with that pt but I've never finished them because Tali and Liara were far superior options. I want Cora to be more than just a "heh, beewbs" romance. So my straight options aren't too satisfying either so far. Since Vetra is still unconfirmed (if she ends up L then it wouldn't be the end of the world, I'll just roll a Sara) the safe bet is PB. She seems like a space Sera, and personality-wise it's something I can work with. I'd rather have her hit-or-miss character than another uninteresting human lady in a bra.
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Post by Mresa on Feb 18, 2017 17:39:42 GMT
Ok, so unless they confirm some more male LIs soon, it remains that the straight male and lesbian players are once again getting the most/and or better options of LIs, with straight women and gay men getting shafted again. And given the leaks about the sex scenes, it would appear even with the potential options for lesbians, its still the straight male gaze that is getting the most out of the romances I find it difficult to feel much sympathy for straight female players, given they had pretty much double the number of options of everyone else in Inquisition. As for gay male players, I'll wait and see. It looks like it'll be a step up from ME3 no matter what they do. I'm really happy with what's been teased so far. I was hoping for a male alien and an actually alien-looking female LI for my Scott, and it looks like he'll have both Maybe this will be the first Bioware game where more than one of the romances appeals to me. Agreed straight female players had it quite well in Inquisition but do I need to remind that in the last Bioware game before, ME3 if you had Kaidan dead and had not romanced anyone in ME2(and if you did well there was only Garrus since Thane dead and Jacob a cheating bastard), straight females had NOTHING. Which for me who only really plays as a straight female was a complete slap in the face. So I took Inquisition as an apology. I do hope there won't ever be a situation like this and every gets a fair share of romance options.
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Post by Crim on Feb 18, 2017 17:43:45 GMT
Ok, so unless they confirm some more male LIs soon, it remains that the straight male and lesbian players are once again getting the most/and or better options of LIs, with straight women and gay men getting shafted again. And given the leaks about the sex scenes, it would appear even with the potential options for lesbians, its still the straight male gaze that is getting the most out of the romances You thought that lesbians were better off than straight women? In what universe? Definitely didn't get that with Samantha anyway, dat ick factor, dat cringe. Thank heavens for Liara, Jesus Christ!
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Post by megs80 on Feb 18, 2017 17:45:06 GMT
I would guess when you choose to flirt, he/she will return the favor or let you down gently, and if the flirt encourages more, just be careful. The problem is, in previous Bioware games, there wasn't a single line that signaled if a romance would definitely lead to a sex scene or not. The Iron Bull and Isabela are exceptions, but they're romance started with sex and became more. This is, like, where I wish I could have an asexual toggle, ya? That way I wouldn't have a sex scene sprung on me. Only options without a sex scene would return interest. Or, like you suggest, have it be obvious that an LI is going to expect sex at some point, so I can back off early on. Or Bioware could help me out. It doesn't seem like their interested in giving out details about romance paths so you may have to wait until it comes out and people are putting spoilers online. If you want to avoid that though maybe you can get someone who doesn't mind spoilers to check for you? Perhaps a thread with just orientation, availability and explicit/non-explicit? People are going to have to wait until pretty close to launch to plan their playthroughs I expect.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 18, 2017 17:46:38 GMT
The only fluff ones are Leliana and Josephine really and one is an NPC, Sera can end in tragedy all the same. Especially if you are an Elfinquisitor, it was the most frustrating experience I ever played in a game. Yeah I know drama is common, but can we tone it down a bit? lol MEA is supposed to be about hope and new beginnings. I would like to have a slightly fluffy ending with my LI. Ehhh...... I prefer drama, too much sappiness is boring.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 17:47:34 GMT
Yeah I know drama is common, but can we tone it down a bit? lol MEA is supposed to be about hope and new beginnings. I would like to have a slightly fluffy ending with my LI. Ehhh...... I prefer drama, too much sappiness is boring. Well for me after Thane and Solas I need a break haha
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 18, 2017 17:48:24 GMT
but do I need to remind that in the last Bioware game before, ME3 if you had Kaidan dead and had not romanced anyone in ME2(and if you did well there was only Garrus since Thane dead and Jacob a cheating bastard), straight females had NOTHING. Which for me who only really plays as a straight female was a complete slap in the face. If you killed Kaidan and passed on Garrus then you got no one to blame but yourself. Jacob and Thane yes, they don't count for ME3 as one is a troll joke and the other dies halfway trhgouh, but Kaidan & Garrus are there with full content.
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Post by fialka on Feb 18, 2017 17:50:48 GMT
The issue for me is that in the Mass Effect trilogy there has, in every single game, been more female LIs than male LIs. And with the exception of Kasumi and Gabby, every single female squadmate and female crew member you could talk to on the Normandy was either a romance or a light romance or a fling. And all but one of those was available to male Shepard. Where, despite there being more male characters overall, only five of them were romances. (Unless you count James 'I know you don't want to do this, but are your drunk enough now?' Vega and the 'where the fuck did that come from I didn't ask for this?' Javik hookup which was intended as a joke - I don't, because both were in incredibly poor taste.) The fact that Thane dies in a stupid way, Jacob cheats and leaves, and Steve has barely any romance content, just adds insult to injury.
Also, if you romance a male character in a Bioware game (talking DA and ME here) you're 500% more likely to have that male LI cheat, leave, die, lie, dump you, betray you, and so on. Or get a bad ending you can't avoid. In the case of female LIs, in general your relationship will include a lot less melodrama, and bad endings, few as they are, are always avoidable.
Fast forward to MEA and they've already confirmed 3 female LIs - all the female squadmates, in fact - to one male one. And that one male one is already rumored to have a potential 'sad' element to the relationship. I'm trying to be optimistic, but the information (both official and not) so far isn't boding well for us straight women and gay men.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 18, 2017 18:04:10 GMT
The issue for me is that in the Mass Effect trilogy there has, in every single game, been more female LIs than male LIs. And with the exception of Kasumi and Gabby, every single female squadmate and female crew member you could talk to on the Normandy was either a romance or a light romance or a fling. And all but one of those was available to male Shepard. Where, despite there being more male characters overall, only five of them were romances. (Unless you count James 'I know you don't want to do this, but are your drunk enough now?' Vega and the 'where the fuck did that come from I didn't ask for this?' Javik hookup which was intended as a joke - I don't, because both were in incredibly poor taste.) The fact that Thane dies in a stupid way, Jacob cheats and leaves, and Steve has barely any romance content, just adds insult to injury. Also, if you romance a male character in a Bioware game (talking DA and ME here) you're 500% more likely to have that male LI cheat, leave, die, lie, dump you, betray you, and so on. Or get a bad ending you can't avoid. In the case of female LIs, in general your relationship will include a lot less melodrama, and bad endings, few as they are, are always avoidable. Fast forward to MEA and they've already confirmed 3 female LIs - all the female squadmates, in fact - to one male one. And that one male one is already rumored to have a potential 'sad' element to the relationship. I'm trying to be optimistic, but the information (both official and not) so far isn't boding well for us straight women and gay men. The way they treated Jacob in ME3 was offensive. As I said before I prefer drama as long as it has a potential happy ending.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 18, 2017 18:04:11 GMT
The issue for me is that in the Mass Effect trilogy there has, in every single game, been more female LIs than male LIs. And with the exception of Kasumi and Gabby, every single female squadmate and female crew member you could talk to on the Normandy was either a romance or a light romance or a fling. And all but one of those was available to male Shepard. Where, despite there being more male characters overall, only five of them were romances. (Unless you count James 'I know you don't want to do this, but are your drunk enough now?' Vega and the 'where the fuck did that come from I didn't ask for this?' Javik hookup which was intended as a joke - I don't, because both were in incredibly poor taste.) The fact that Thane dies in a stupid way, Jacob cheats and leaves, and Steve has barely any romance content, just adds insult to injury. Also, if you romance a male character in a Bioware game (talking DA and ME here) you're 500% more likely to have that male LI cheat, leave, die, lie, dump you, betray you, and so on. Or get a bad ending you can't avoid. In the case of female LIs, in general your relationship will include a lot less melodrama, and bad endings, few as they are, are always avoidable. Fast forward to MEA and they've already confirmed 3 female LIs - all the female squadmates, in fact - to one male one. And that one male one is already rumored to have a potential 'sad' element to the relationship. I'm trying to be optimistic, but the information (both official and not) so far isn't boding well for us straight women and gay men.The only things I am worry about really, are gay and lesbians companions existing. I am mostly sure we will get less content and it is going to be NPCs. I am sorry but straight women at least have LIs on the companion rooster for sure with relevant content.
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Post by Mresa on Feb 18, 2017 18:10:20 GMT
but do I need to remind that in the last Bioware game before, ME3 if you had Kaidan dead and had not romanced anyone in ME2(and if you did well there was only Garrus since Thane dead and Jacob a cheating bastard), straight females had NOTHING. Which for me who only really plays as a straight female was a complete slap in the face. If you killed Kaidan and passed on Garrus then you got no one to blame but yourself. Jacob and Thane yes, they don't count for ME3 as one is a troll joke and the other dies halfway trhgouh, but Kaidan & Garrus are there with full content. I do know that I very much enjoyed Garrus as a romance and pretty much romance him always. But was it fair that there was no one if you didn't go for either Garrus or Kaidan, no and that's my point there.
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Post by smilesja on Feb 18, 2017 18:10:26 GMT
I find it difficult to feel much sympathy for straight female players, given they had pretty much double the number of options of everyone else in Inquisition. As for gay male players, I'll wait and see. It looks like it'll be a step up from ME3 no matter what they do. I'm really happy with what's been teased so far. I was hoping for a male alien and an actually alien-looking female LI for my Scott, and it looks like he'll have both Maybe this will be the first Bioware game where more than one of the romances appeals to me. Agreed straight female players had it quite well in Inquisition but do I need to remind that in the last Bioware game before, ME3 if you had Kaidan dead and had not romanced anyone in ME2(and if you did well there was only Garrus since Thane dead and Jacob a cheating bastard), straight females had NOTHING. Which for me who only really plays as a straight female was a complete slap in the face. So I took Inquisition as an apology. I do hope there won't ever be a situation like this and every gets a fair share of romance options. Yeah and female players can marry two of their LI's.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 18, 2017 18:16:44 GMT
If you killed Kaidan and passed on Garrus then you got no one to blame but yourself. Jacob and Thane yes, they don't count for ME3 as one is a troll joke and the other dies halfway trhgouh, but Kaidan & Garrus are there with full content. I do know that I very much enjoyed Garrus as a romance and pretty much romance him always. But was it fair that there was no one if you didn't go for either Garrus or Kaidan, no and that's my point there. Your point makes no sense. "If straight BroShep didn't go for Ashley, Miranda, Tali, Jack, Liara, Kelly he had no one!". Same thing.
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