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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 15:57:32 GMT
Soo, anybody knows anything about possibility of sleeping for 23 hours without dying/having alcohol poisoning? I could use some methods. Then I will wake up in a beautiful world where I can go and check on Jaal myself. So far my Ryder has that "emotional and shit" profile, so I'll check if this is the reason. Hear ya bro. My record was about 36 hours without any coffee or drugs, but my heart was starting to hurt me, and I was starting to lose control over my body, them I slept for 12 hours like an angel, it was very unhealthy.. Blame ME3 for it and info that we would have bi male romance in the squad and gay exclusive romance with one crew member..
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 15:57:57 GMT
You have all seen this flirting stuff with Suvi, right? (I have pages to catch up with but can't even so had to post it - sorry if it's already been posted) "Kill. Me. Now." OH MY ACTUAL WTF that was so cute and awkward Edit: lol it was literally posted the previous page. Sorry. It took me an entire hour to catch up with this thread.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 15:58:18 GMT
Perhaps this is what they mean by JAal is hard to romance ? If say you're logical and professional Ryder , understanding takes longer to build with Angara being a bit on the emotional side? I'm not sure if there was anything like that in the code to imply it, but it would definitely be an interesting choice narratively. It would be interesting, and I'd love to see something like this, but that would take way too much time and effort to actually implement in the game, with so many options (4 tone options in 2 groups and different twin dialogue) I seriously doubt this would be a thing
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 16:00:47 GMT
Re: "The gays are never happy."
I wasn't going to dig into this one, but I keep seeing it come back up and that line annoys me so fucking much. There are always going to be people that are unhappy with their options, this is a given. Straight guys are set af with three squad choices and Avela, at the least. Keri is probably still nex_doc, imo. They're getting, at the least, three squad options, probably three plus two off ship romances. We still see guys bitching about how everyone is ugly, Cora's hair, Peebee is Shrek, whatever. It's not because straight guys are just douchier than other people, it's just because people will always be disappointed when they don't get an option they like (especially if shut out of an option they do like - Suvi, Lexi, etc) and they're going to vent about it. It's natural. It should be expected.
But what really matters is that they at least try to give everyone comparable choices. It's impossible to give everyone an option that appeals to their individual preferences and venting about personal disappointment in equal choices shouldn't be a big deal to their future planning, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to give everyone an equal opportunity to the same amount of content. DA sometimes comes close to giving us at least an equal amount of content as most other demographics, but ME has never even gotten close. Even in Andromeda, in our best case scenario, we'll be the only demographic not getting two options in the squad. Of course we're "never happy" with what they give us, it's been substantially less than everyone else in every ME game. Anyone would have gotten annoyed by now.
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Post by TheGutsyDog on Mar 19, 2017 16:01:53 GMT
It would honestly surprise me if they didn't make the character that's a brand new alien species available for both genders. :/ Then again, Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:02:42 GMT
I'm not sure if there was anything like that in the code to imply it, but it would definitely be an interesting choice narratively. It would be interesting, and I'd love to see something like this, but that would take way too much time and effort to actually implement in the game, with so many options (4 tone options in 2 groups and different twin dialogue) I seriously doubt this would be a thing Right? And wouldn't there be evidence of that in the code? I mean, the miners have been clear that the only flags for Jaal are his trust levels. So if there's also an emotional profile flag, that means that they missed it. And if they missed that? Then all bets are off because it means that we can't really use any of that information.
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 16:03:16 GMT
Good morning, Jaal is still bi? He did something with Liam, apparently. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WHAT? I thought you didn't swing that way, Liam. This must be what Ability Drain meant when she said she saw angara butt. And also, WHAT? I really need to catch up on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:05:24 GMT
He did something with Liam, apparently. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WHAT? I thought you didn't swing that way, Liam. This must be what Ability Drain meant when she said she saw angara butt. And also, WHAT? I really need to catch up on this thread. Haha they are swapping armor, but I remember a month ago I said "Jaal seems the type that would walk up to Ryder naked, and not care" and geez... I was right!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:05:55 GMT
It would honestly surprise me if they didn't make the character that's a brand new alien species available for both genders. :/ Then again, Bioware.Thane says hi!
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 19, 2017 16:06:29 GMT
So... it seems we didn't get any new information while I was sleeping?
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 19, 2017 16:07:39 GMT
So... it seems we didn't get any new information while I was sleeping? Oh we did, there's a special interaction with Sara and Jaal that Scott doesn't seem to have. It's not a flirt option, but... it's only seen available for Sara right now. Happy, happy times, amirite?
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 16:07:58 GMT
It would be interesting, and I'd love to see something like this, but that would take way too much time and effort to actually implement in the game, with so many options (4 tone options in 2 groups and different twin dialogue) I seriously doubt this would be a thing Right? And wouldn't there be evidence of that in the code? I mean, the miners have been clear that the only flags for Jaal are his trust levels. So if there's also an emotional profile flag, that means that they missed it. And if they missed that? Then all bets are off because it means that we can't really use any of that information. Unless trust is inherently tied to emotional profile for Jaal and maybe even others. The "trust point" system might include it. They don't really know what's filling the r1-r7 system, so it could basically be quests, past dialogue choices, psychological profile, or pretty much anything. I'm not sure it would be crystal clear in the code which was actually fulfilling that. Maybe someone that understands the code better can comment on the likeliness.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Mar 19, 2017 16:11:16 GMT
I'm hearing Vetra romance voice lines is literally porn grunts while m/m side may not get anything like this. Seriously Bioware? Yeah. Some later "dialogue lines" with Vetra are NSFW... good thing I was using headphones when I checked them out The "porn grunts" are them climbing the cliff they're talking about, pervs.
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 19, 2017 16:11:23 GMT
So... it seems we didn't get any new information while I was sleeping? Oh we did, there's a special interaction with Sara and Jaal that Scott doesn't seem to have. It's not a flirt option, but... it's only seen available for Sara right now. Happy, happy times, amirite? :gasp:
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Post by flog61 on Mar 19, 2017 16:11:49 GMT
I tweeted Tom Taylorson and it doesn't sound good for gay guys in Andromeda. I had asked if he could say anything to combat the anxiety of gay male fans
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Post by ash on Mar 19, 2017 16:11:49 GMT
It would be interesting, and I'd love to see something like this, but that would take way too much time and effort to actually implement in the game, with so many options (4 tone options in 2 groups and different twin dialogue) I seriously doubt this would be a thing Right? And wouldn't there be evidence of that in the code? I mean, the miners have been clear that the only flags for Jaal are his trust levels. So if there's also an emotional profile flag, that means that they missed it. And if they missed that? Then all bets are off because it means that we can't really use any of that information. Actually, no. First of all, it doesn't look like his "trust" level only - also your progression. And, most important thing - I've seen things that are located deeper and can imply that some conversations check Ryder's personality (they had separate file for game to recognize it) but conversations are coded the way you can't actually know which ones of them do - it is deeper in tables where I can't check shit.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 16:16:26 GMT
I tweeted Tom Taylorson and it doesn't sound good for gay guys in Andromeda. It actually doesn't really sound that bad, but when he says "both Ryders have the same amount of options" it doesn't really account for orientation. I can't really take this as much, although it is more promising against the 5 female options/2 male options theories. Or he might just be wrong. I wish someone would ask him if the "both Ryders" comment is accounting for sexuality.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:17:18 GMT
I tweeted Tom Taylorson and it doesn't sound good for gay guys in Andromeda. Fucking "realism". Barf. Actually, no. First of all, it doesn't look like his "trust" level only - also your progression. And, most important thing - I've seen things that are located deeper and can imply that some conversations check Ryder's personality (they had separate file for game to recognize it) but conversations are coded the way you can't actually know which ones of them do - it is deeper in tables where I can't check shit. I don't speak code so this is getting too confusing for me. I hear that stuff is 'definite' but then I hear that stuff is 'hidden' and you can't be sure. So I guess the take away is that nothing from the code is definite despite people saying that, in their opinion, it's pretty much confirmed.
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Post by izut on Mar 19, 2017 16:17:35 GMT
I tweeted Tom Taylorson and it doesn't sound good for gay guys in Andromeda. Kudos to him for saying it's less "gamey".
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 19, 2017 16:17:48 GMT
Right? And wouldn't there be evidence of that in the code? I mean, the miners have been clear that the only flags for Jaal are his trust levels. So if there's also an emotional profile flag, that means that they missed it. And if they missed that? Then all bets are off because it means that we can't really use any of that information. Actually, no. First of all, it doesn't look like his "trust" level only - also your progression. And, most important thing - I've seen things that are located deeper and can imply that some conversations check Ryder's personality (they had separate file for game to recognize it) but conversations are coded the way you can't actually know which ones of them do - it is deeper in tables where I can't check shit. Also, I'm sure it's been checked already, but ALL flirts are open to both genders? This isn't a Solas kind of thing where the first is locked off but all the rest are still in the code? All of them are open? Sorry, I was thinking about this all night while trying to sleep.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 16:17:56 GMT
Right? And wouldn't there be evidence of that in the code? I mean, the miners have been clear that the only flags for Jaal are his trust levels. So if there's also an emotional profile flag, that means that they missed it. And if they missed that? Then all bets are off because it means that we can't really use any of that information. Unless trust is inherently tied to emotional profile for Jaal and maybe even others. The "trust point" system might include it. They don't really know what's filling the r1-r7 system, so it could basically be quests, past dialogue choices, psychological profile, or pretty much anything. I'm not sure it would be crystal clear in the code which was actually fulfilling that. Maybe someone that understands the code better can comment on the likeliness. I assumed the r1-r7 thing was the trust system. It makes sense. But yeah we don't know what the trust system itself is tied to. Might not just be decisions and actions in missions. However like I said, I don't think the psychological profile would affect it. They've been saying "characters will react to your choices and call you out on past decisions" but nothing about psychological profiles. As for the extra dialogue option, I think it being tied to the trust system makes the most sense, but then why did Sara get that option early in the game? (or at least at the same time as Scott) ugh this is so confusing
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Post by flog61 on Mar 19, 2017 16:18:29 GMT
I tweeted Tom Taylorson and it doesn't sound good for gay guys in Andromeda. It actually doesn't really sound that bad, but when he says "both Ryders have the same amount of options" it doesn't really account for orientation. I can't really take this as much, although it is more promising against the 5 female options/2 male options theories. Or he might just be wrong. I wish someone would ask him if the "both Ryders" comment is accounting for sexuality. He went on to say that Asari don't count as a female option
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Post by ash on Mar 19, 2017 16:20:46 GMT
Actually, no. First of all, it doesn't look like his "trust" level only - also your progression. And, most important thing - I've seen things that are located deeper and can imply that some conversations check Ryder's personality (they had separate file for game to recognize it) but conversations are coded the way you can't actually know which ones of them do - it is deeper in tables where I can't check shit. I don't speak code so this is getting too confusing for me. I hear that stuff is 'definite' but then I hear that stuff is 'hidden' and you can't be sure. So I guess the take away is that nothing from the code is definite despite people saying that, in their opinion, it's pretty much confirmed. 1) r1-7 aren't trust levels, because Gil, Suvi, Kallo and Lexi have convos tied to r1-7 system and they have no trust system. 2) To explain it easier - there are things that allow to suppose that different data is pulled for Ryders with different personalities sometimes because it is too much of a variety for just Sara/Scott audio.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 19, 2017 16:22:26 GMT
While I can understand the '' less gamey, more real '' it's just an excuse not give LGBT people more options, well, in this case gay men, cuz lesbians seem to get a decent amount of content.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 16:22:29 GMT
He went on to say that Asari don't count as a female option Oh FFS! He says "Asari look female are agendered so some people don't count them" or something like that. Translation: Straight guys and Lesbians will have more options because he thinks the options are equal, but doesn't count asari because he doesn't understand the lore.
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