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Post by ash on Mar 19, 2017 17:32:06 GMT
Something tells me the devs are going to be having a long talk with the marketing department after this... "That was an awesome strat! We should repeat it for DA:4! Also, don't forget to kill Dorian, no gays allowed. What do you mean by "he was a LI"? Thane and Jacob were too".
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 17:32:06 GMT
Something tells me the devs are going to be having a long talk with the marketing department after this... Actually I think it might be more along the lines of "You're fired lmao" which is rather short
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 17:32:07 GMT
I'm pretty sure Tom was talking about them not going the all-bi route. He is still under an NDA. I thought that too, but he said "unlike DA:I" and not "unlike DA2" - did he misspeak and mean DA2? Because otherwise I don't know what he was getting at in that second tweet. I thought the general concept of DA:I was the one they were following for ME:A - i.e. that some people will be straight, some will be bi, some will be gay, because that's more realistic and less gamey than everyone being playersexual. His second tweet left me really confused.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 19, 2017 17:32:20 GMT
Asari are monogendered, female. It'd be odd for there to be a trans asari since they have no equivalent to males in their species Right? Monogendered. Mono. One. Not agendered? But since they have no concept of gender, because there are no "males" or technically "females", shouldn't they all be agendered? They can't be females. They look female, sure, but that's according to humans. They're not agendered, they are an exclusively female species Liara mentions this in ME1 iirc, there's a few examples on Earth but I can't recall them off the top of my head, some kind of lizard...
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 19, 2017 17:32:25 GMT
I know that this is off-topic but I just have to tell you that your username/avatar/status combination is freaking hilarious !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:33:13 GMT
That's a very good question, I fear that my source had that scene with Liam and Jaal in mind (shirtless Liam = shirtless male human like my friend said and naked Jaal = Alien naked male). OMG, I hope he/I'm wrong Oh just fuck everything. Fuck it!
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 17:34:16 GMT
He said that the romance files were in "rest", but does that mean that it has to be a character we don't meet until then, or that the romance just doesn't start until then? I trust ashes to find the code and tell me what it means, but it seems he's said before that things can be stored differently than you expect. If he says he thinks I'm wrong, though, then I will default to his belief. He knows much more about game coding than I do, obviously. It means it isn't actually starts in early version and that it was coded significantly later. Maybe we meet this character later or maybe something starts with that character later. I've already seen one example of NPC having different devnames in "early" and "rest", so it can be another situation like that. If I can understand shit from their data it is the fact that tons of content from rest overrides early to the point of me not being sure why they still need early. Just to be clear, and I'm not asking you to go search because I know you're tired and you've already done a ton for us, but are the chances still high there's somebody out there with flirt options that we haven't found? Are the flirt options difficult to find unless you're already looking at the character files for that specific character? I'm just trying to parse how likely it is that there's somebody else left besides Keri that's totally evaded us.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:34:16 GMT
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 19, 2017 17:34:53 GMT
Everyone, just take a deep breath and remember that the files the dataminers found would not have been left in if Jaal were straight. It would just create a huge mess if they were remnants of cut content.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 17:35:26 GMT
From what I understand, what Tom said basically means "Asari may not count only as female LIs, but also male LIs if they use male pronouns/in general because they're neither female nor male" [insert "trans Asari" voice clip] (I can't find it rn sorry) Can someone who knows the lore well have a "can Asari be trans" debate with me? This isn't sarcasm lmao I'm really confused and don't know what to think. I wrote a really long post like 15 minutes ago but deleted it because I edited it like 6 times before realizing - what the fuck is Asari gender anyway? I can't decide if I'm angry or not lmao The way I think about it, it would have to depend on their interactions with other species. If they maybe grew up and/or spend a whole lot of time around male and female humans, like maybe raised by human parents or something, or raised around transgender humans, then I could think that... maybe there could be transgender asari? It's definitely a big stretch for me to think about. Because yes, there should be no male asari if you look at just their culture, they should have no concept of male at all. But an asari who's grown up around human culture might be able to identify with masculinity that they would see in humans versus femininity in humans. This would be an asari who's detached from their own culture. I don't know if that makes sense... because that asari would definitely be treated as female by humans around them, but especially if around transgender female-to-male humans, could think they want to be seen more like men and identify with those transgender ftm humans. Does that make sense at all? I don't know if I'm putting this into words well. Yep, exactly. That's why I'm so confused. But there's also the fact that being trans is biological. As in, they don't just feel like they're male/female, but they have the same brain patterns (as the members of the sex they identify as), etc. afaik. Asari are biologically monogendered as well, so I don't know how that would work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:36:26 GMT
That's a very good question, I fear that my source had that scene with Liam and Jaal in mind (shirtless Liam = shirtless male human my friend said and naked Jaal as alien naked male). OMG, I hope he/I'm wrong Oh just fuck everything. Fuck it! I'm sorry I really regret to reveal anything back in January, because as it seems this could mean any scene (still I never expected Liam and Jaal in the scene like that so it was almost ''safe'' to assume it must have been Scott with Jaal ) and just give people false hope (including myself). Ofc, this does not make Jaal straight.. I dunno anymore :/
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 19, 2017 17:36:34 GMT
Everyone, just take a deep breath and remember that the files the dataminers found would not have been left in if Jaal were straight. It would just create a huge mess if they were remnants of cut content. But ME1 Kaidan and Ashley to mention a few tho.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 17:36:49 GMT
Something tells me the devs are going to be having a long talk with the marketing department after this... "That was an awesome strat! We should repeat it for DA:4! Also, don't forget to kill Dorian, no gays allowed. What do you mean by "he was a LI"? Thane and Jacob were too". His family will have set up a trap with the sad dead dad strategy and made him straight with blood magic by DA4. He'll already have a wife and three babies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:37:15 GMT
Oh just fuck everything. Fuck it! I'm sorry I really regret to reveal anything back in January, because as it seems this could mean any scene (still I never expected Liam and Jaal in the scene like that so it was almost ''safe'' to assume it must have been Scott with Jaal ) and just give people false hope (including myself). Ofc, this does not make Jaal straight.. I dunno anymore :/ No one expected nudity outside of sex scenes. It's not your fault.
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 17:37:43 GMT
How about we all leave Tom alone since he will not breach his NDA for this stuff? NDA is not because they choose to say nothing, it's because they can't! I agree with this, BUT - there has been an awful lot of teasing and nudge nudge wink wink stuff from all these people who are under NDA, when it comes to straight romances and even some lesbian stuff. It is ALWAYS the gay guys who get the super-serious "sorry, I can't talk about that, no teasing, not hints, no nothing dude" response. Always.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 17:37:45 GMT
Right? Monogendered. Mono. One. Not agendered? But since they have no concept of gender, because there are no "males" or technically "females", shouldn't they all be agendered? They can't be females. They look female, sure, but that's according to humans. They're not agendered, they are an exclusively female species Liara mentions this in ME1 iirc, there's a few examples on Earth but I can't recall them off the top of my head, some kind of lizard... But then the lore conflicts itself. They can't be an all-female species and have no concept of gender?
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 19, 2017 17:38:06 GMT
Everyone, just take a deep breath and remember that the files the dataminers found would not have been left in if Jaal were straight. It would just create a huge mess if they were remnants of cut content. But ME1 Kaidan and Ashley to mention a few tho. Shep actors used to record whole script tho, different times. It's how "But I'm a woman too" line (paraphrasing) spoken by Mark Meer exists, if you mod Shep gender
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:38:18 GMT
How about we all leave Tom alone since he will not breach his NDA for this stuff? NDA is not because they choose to say nothing, it's because they can't! I agree with this, BUT - there has been an awful lot of teasing and nudge nudge wink wink stuff from all these people who are under NDA, when it comes to straight romances and even some lesbian stuff. It is ALWAYS the gay guys who get the super-serious "sorry, I can't talk about that, no teasing, not hints, no nothing dude" response. Always. That would be marketing's brilliant idea most likely.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 17:38:25 GMT
I'm pretty sure Tom was talking about them not going the all-bi route. He is still under an NDA. I thought that too, but he said "unlike DA:I" and not "unlike DA2" - did he misspeak and mean DA2? Because otherwise I don't know what he was getting at in that second tweet. I thought the general concept of DA:I was the one they were following for ME:A - i.e. that some people will be straight, some will be bi, some will be gay, because that's more realistic and less gamey than everyone being playersexual. His second tweet left me really confused. Maybe he's just not really into video games and he confused the two systems, tbh. I could easily see it just being a mistake on his part.
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 19, 2017 17:38:45 GMT
Everyone, just take a deep breath and remember that the files the dataminers found would not have been left in if Jaal were straight. It would just create a huge mess if they were remnants of cut content. But ME1 Kaidan and Ashley to mention a few tho. That was dialogue, not the event flags found for Jaal.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 19, 2017 17:38:46 GMT
It's funny, outside of the datamined code, absolutely everything is just... going against it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 19, 2017 17:38:56 GMT
With respect to Voice Actors tweeting, I'd make the observation that Twitter is hardly a precise medium. We're touching distance from launch, let's not get out of our trees here...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:39:02 GMT
They're not agendered, they are an exclusively female species Liara mentions this in ME1 iirc, there's a few examples on Earth but I can't recall them off the top of my head, some kind of lizard... Whip-tailed lizards. Dropping zoological knowledge.
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 19, 2017 17:39:03 GMT
The way I think about it, it would have to depend on their interactions with other species. If they maybe grew up and/or spend a whole lot of time around male and female humans, like maybe raised by human parents or something, or raised around transgender humans, then I could think that... maybe there could be transgender asari? It's definitely a big stretch for me to think about. Because yes, there should be no male asari if you look at just their culture, they should have no concept of male at all. But an asari who's grown up around human culture might be able to identify with masculinity that they would see in humans versus femininity in humans. This would be an asari who's detached from their own culture. I don't know if that makes sense... because that asari would definitely be treated as female by humans around them, but especially if around transgender female-to-male humans, could think they want to be seen more like men and identify with those transgender ftm humans. Does that make sense at all? I don't know if I'm putting this into words well. Yep, exactly. That's why I'm so confused. But there's also the fact that being trans is biological. As in, they don't just feel like they're male/female, but they have the same brain patterns (as the members of the sex they identify as), etc. afaik. Asari are biologically monogendered as well, so I don't know how that would work. Oh... I didn't think about that at all. This is hurting my brain a bit. I don't know much about the biological aspect of it. Taking that into account... I feel like it shouldn't be possible. The way I see it, gender should be a much more fluid concept to the asari in general. I don't know...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:40:02 GMT
But ME1 Kaidan and Ashley to mention a few tho. Shep actors used to record whole script tho, different times. It's how "But I'm a woman too" line spoken by Mark Meer exists (if you mod Shep gender) I've never heard that line. There's "I'm only interested in men" but not that one, where is it?
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