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Post by Steelcan on Mar 19, 2017 17:40:04 GMT
They're not agendered, they are an exclusively female species Liara mentions this in ME1 iirc, there's a few examples on Earth but I can't recall them off the top of my head, some kind of lizard... But then the lore conflicts itself. They can't be an all-female species and have no concept of gender? gender =/= sex, every asari's biological sex is female but they don't have sex based gender roles because there's only one sex, and we don't know enough about asari perceptions of gender to talk about what they'd see it as. |
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 19, 2017 17:40:04 GMT
How about we all leave Tom alone since he will not breach his NDA for this stuff? NDA is not because they choose to say nothing, it's because they can't! I agree with this, BUT - there has been an awful lot of teasing and nudge nudge wink wink stuff from all these people who are under NDA, when it comes to straight romances and even some lesbian stuff. It is ALWAYS the gay guys who get the super-serious "sorry, I can't talk about that, no teasing, not hints, no nothing dude" response. Always. Everything gives the impression that they know they've screwed up and everyone is being told to be as evasive as possible about it. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't shake the feeling of dread. |
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 19, 2017 17:41:17 GMT
So my friend's expecting me to hand him my copies of ME1 ME2 and ME3 tomorrow to introduce him to ME. Should I just not and warn him to stay far away from the pain of this?
Then again he's a straight male so he's got absolutely nothing to worry about really...
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 19, 2017 17:42:32 GMT
Shep actors used to record whole script tho, different times. It's how "But I'm a woman too" line spoken by Mark Meer exists (if you mod Shep gender) I've never heard that line. There's "I'm only interested in men" but not that one, where is it? Don't remember exactly, it's the section where Liara expresses interest and straight FemShep can pick "but but but I'm a woman too oh noes not into that" hence modded gender male Shep says it too |
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Post by izut on Mar 19, 2017 17:43:11 GMT
And yet, they still seemed to be sure about their characters being bi (Suvi, Cora). They may not say spoilery things but the way they act gives you a lot. They should simply keep it quiet so there would be no negative consequences. Remember what we learned yesterday. They do extra stuff in case they add more romance stuff later on. Doesn't change the fact VAs should stay quiet about this stuff. Reacting to stuff in a specific way gives people hope. I know they have good hearts and wish for everyone to be satisfied with their hard work, but it brings negative response when people's hope gets crushed. |
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Post by ash on Mar 19, 2017 17:43:20 GMT
It means it isn't actually starts in early version and that it was coded significantly later. Maybe we meet this character later or maybe something starts with that character later. I've already seen one example of NPC having different devnames in "early" and "rest", so it can be another situation like that. If I can understand shit from their data it is the fact that tons of content from rest overrides early to the point of me not being sure why they still need early. Just to be clear, and I'm not asking you to go search because I know you're tired and you've already done a ton for us, but are the chances still high there's somebody out there with flirt options that we haven't found? Are the flirt options difficult to find unless you're already looking at the character files for that specific character? I'm just trying to parse how likely it is that there's somebody else left besides Keri that's totally evaded us. Global flirt options that initiate romance are fairly easy to find - can_start_romance. Others, light ones, are significantly harder since you need to have few tabs ready and to check if something matches and even then you can fuck something up by not understanding thing correctly. I checked everything, aya_relic (avela), then this one + Jaal, Peebee, Liam, Cora, Vetra, Suvi, Gil. That was all. Reyes wasn't having that line from what I've been able to find (and I guess Cyonan had no luck too since his post has the same info). Basically that's why I will require some explanation from devs if Jaal is straight - he has 3 "global" entrypoints with both Sara and Scott attached to them. I don't know if Sara and Scott share all "usual" flirt lines because it'd require me to go through all flirts with everybody to find out. But you need to only pick one of those 3 to start it (I mean fully, for game to completely lock you in), and one of them looks like it will available at any time if you don't reject him first. And all 3 are for both Ryders.  |
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 17:44:03 GMT
mistakes? he already mentioned couple of times this "video-gamey" sh"t and now with asari monogender. he's a vice actor, not a Mass Effect lore expert He's a very big Mass Effect fan and has played them all and loved them all like the rest of us. He has said so multiple times. He's also in a position of responsibility as someone who has a lot of attention on them and is one of the public faces of the game. What he says matters. If he doesn't want to cause controversy he should step back and take a moment to consider the ramifications of the things he says. Just as we all should. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:45:22 GMT
Remember what we learned yesterday. They do extra stuff in case they add more romance stuff later on. Doesn't change the fact VAs should stay quiet about this stuff. Reacting to stuff in a specific way gives people hope. I know they have good hearts and wish for everyone to be satisfied with their hard work, but it brings negative response when people's hope gets crushed. Maybe they don't know, but they also know people are really upset and are trying their best, but the NDA still makes even hints and teasing bad for some. Tom is a man with a really good heart and if he could tell you guys what you need to know, he would. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:46:47 GMT
So my friend's expecting me to hand him my copies of ME1 ME2 and ME3 tomorrow to introduce him to ME. Should I just not and warn him to stay far away from the pain of this? Then again he's a straight male so he's got absolutely nothing to worry about really... Sure!! It's still one of the best sci-fi games out there, with gays in it or not LOL! And as he is straight male I'm sure he will be more than pleased with this series..  |
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Post by TheGutsyDog on Mar 19, 2017 17:47:06 GMT
It would honestly surprise me if they didn't make the character that's a brand new alien species available for both genders. :/ Then again, Bioware.Thane says hi!  Whoops, I completely forgot about him.  Never romanced him, myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:47:10 GMT
But then the lore conflicts itself. They can't be an all-female species and have no concept of gender? gender =/= sex, every asari's biological sex is female but they don't have sex based gender roles because there's only one sex, and we don't know enough about asari perceptions of gender to talk about what they'd see it as. In this case gender and sex are used synonymously. We are bigendered they are monogendered, they aren't technically biologically female and can reproduce with others even other females. And not through asexual reproduction. Some can be interpreted as more masculine but this is more personality traits rather than them considering themselves male. It's possible they could prefer male pronouns in cases where their personalities are more in line with what is considered masculine behaviour. |
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 17:47:23 GMT
He's said a handful of times that he's a big Mass Effect fan, he was before he got the job. Yeah I can see "I didn't know anything about the series before getting tapped to do the VA work" going over very well. Others have said that and no one lost their shit. |
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 17:47:24 GMT
It's funny, outside of the datamined code, absolutely everything is just... going against it. I think it's more like our mood is just shifting more negative. We haven't really found any more concrete evidence against bi Jaal. Tom's tweets didn't really mean anything. The numbers he's hinting at don't rule out Jaal or really speak much to his romance at all. It's just more of the same "wait and see" they always give us, every time, for months. lol The only thing is that one dialogue line a Sara got that a Scott didn't, but it's not tagged as a romance line at all and we've learned that people sometimes get new dialogue based on their personality. I wouldn't read that deeply into it yet. I don't think it's that bad. We just keep getting in downward spirals where some people get salty and drag everyone down into a "WOE IS US WE ARE DOOMED" spiral. But I understand why, I'm not blaming anyone. |
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Post by izut on Mar 19, 2017 17:47:29 GMT
That's a very good question, I fear that my source had that scene with Liam and Jaal in mind (shirtless Liam = shirtless male human my friend said and naked Jaal as alien naked male). OMG, I hope he/I'm wrong  Oh just fuck everything. Fuck it! Saw the pictures on tumblr: No idea what's going on though. |
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 17:47:42 GMT
How about we all leave Tom alone since he will not breach his NDA for this stuff? NDA is not because they choose to say nothing, it's because they can't! I agree with this, BUT - there has been an awful lot of teasing and nudge nudge wink wink stuff from all these people who are under NDA, when it comes to straight romances and even some lesbian stuff. It is ALWAYS the gay guys who get the super-serious "sorry, I can't talk about that, no teasing, not hints, no nothing dude" response. Always. Not true. At least not Tom. I really don't think he's the queerbaiting type  So this tweet gives me hope. And he knows that, he must know that. He seems like a decent person, I don't think he would do something so shitty idk |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:48:09 GMT
Oh just fuck everything. Fuck it! Saw the pictures on tumblr: No idea what's going on though. They are swapping armor. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:48:13 GMT
I've never heard that line. There's "I'm only interested in men" but not that one, where is it? Don't remember exactly, it's the section where Liara expresses interest and straight FemShep can pick "but but but I'm a woman too oh noes not into that" hence modded gender male Shep says it too Yeah the rejection line is "I'm only interested in men" not "I'm a woman too" the prompt on the dialogue wheel is "but you're female" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:48:34 GMT
Maybe these voice actors don't know. They could have recorded a load of lines but are not sure themselves what's in or being cut.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 17:49:14 GMT
But then the lore conflicts itself. They can't be an all-female species and have no concept of gender? gender =/= sex, every asari's biological sex is female but they don't have sex based gender roles because there's only one sex, and we don't know enough about asari perceptions of gender to talk about what they'd see it as. Didn't Liara say Asari had no concept of gender in ME1? And this is exactly what I meant. The concept of gender/gender roles exists because of biological differences providing advantages to certain roles in society, etc. Asari don't have biological differences (in terms of sex) so they shouldn't have gender roles. And they don't, if I'm right about Liara. I think it was if you reject her for her gender, and she goes "oh well that makes no sense to me because gender lolwut" |
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 17:50:53 GMT
Asari are monogendered, female. It'd be odd for there to be a trans asari since they have no equivalent to males in their species Right? Monogendered. Mono. One. Not agendered? But since they have no concept of gender, because there are no "males" or technically "females", shouldn't they all be agendered? They can't be females. They look female, sure, but that's according to humans. I know this isn't what you're talking about atm, but... And if humans see them as being female, then for a guy it's a straight romance and for a woman it's a lesbian romance. The fucking mental gymnastics some (not you) have used in the past to suggest asari f/f romances are somehow not f/f romances at all is some bullshit and some of the most offensive shit this studio has come out with. I thought they were done with that. Tom never got the memo I guess. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 19, 2017 17:51:10 GMT
It's funny, outside of the datamined code, absolutely everything is just... going against it. I think it's more like our mood is just shifting more negative. We haven't really found any more concrete evidence against bi Jaal. Tom's tweets didn't really mean anything. The numbers he's hinting at don't rule out Jaal or really speak much to his romance at all. It's just more of the same "wait and see" they always give us, every time, for months. lol The only thing is that one dialogue line a Sara got that a Scott didn't, but it's not tagged as a romance line at all and we've learned that people sometimes get new dialogue based on their personality. I wouldn't read that deeply into it yet. I don't think it's that bad. We just keep getting in downward spirals where some people get salty and drag everyone down into a "WOE IS US WE ARE DOOMED" spiral. But I understand why, I'm not blaming anyone. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think I'd rather believe in the code right now, rather than leaks turning out to be false alarms, voicelines that arent found, non-flirt options being available for Sara, some streamers words being twisted and janky old code. I want to belieeeeeeveeee! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:51:38 GMT
gender =/= sex, every asari's biological sex is female but they don't have sex based gender roles because there's only one sex, and we don't know enough about asari perceptions of gender to talk about what they'd see it as. Didn't Liara say Asari had no concept of gender in ME1? And this is exactly what I meant. The concept of gender/gender roles exists because of biological differences providing advantages to certain roles in society, etc. Asari don't have biological differences (in terms of sex) so they shouldn't have gender roles. And they don't, if I'm right about Liara. I think it was if you reject her for her gender, and she goes "oh well that makes no sense to me because gender lolwut" Yeah she's like "we asari are monogendered male and female have no meaning to us but we do have maternal instincts" |
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Post by izut on Mar 19, 2017 17:51:51 GMT
Maybe these voice actors don't know. They could have recorded a load of lines but are not sure themselves what's in or being cut. That's because they really don't know. They recorded stuff for both romance options. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:52:33 GMT
Maybe these voice actors don't know. They could have recorded a load of lines but are not sure themselves what's in or being cut. You know, I was thinking the same thing lately.. And that gif could be just to not put words he did not said to his mouth.. I think I will not go to sleep today, maybe I will watch Iron Fist whole season lol |
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 19, 2017 17:52:46 GMT
Even if Tom is a big fan of the series, he would hardly be the only one to get confused by all the cockamamie excuses Bioware threw out when they had to justify why only one version of Shepard could be gay.
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So this tweet gives me hope. And he knows that, he must know that. He seems like a decent person, I don't think he would do something so shitty idk