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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 17:53:18 GMT
Just to be clear, and I'm not asking you to go search because I know you're tired and you've already done a ton for us, but are the chances still high there's somebody out there with flirt options that we haven't found? Are the flirt options difficult to find unless you're already looking at the character files for that specific character? I'm just trying to parse how likely it is that there's somebody else left besides Keri that's totally evaded us. Global flirt options that initiate romance are fairly easy to find - can_start_romance. Others, light ones, are significantly harder since you need to have few tabs ready and to check if something matches and even then you can fuck something up by not understanding thing correctly. I checked everything, aya_relic (avela), then this one + Jaal, Peebee, Liam, Cora, Vetra, Suvi, Gil. That was all. Reyes wasn't having that line from what I've been able to find (and I guess Cyonan had no luck too since his post has the same info). Basically that's why I will require some explanation from devs if Jaal is straight - he has 3 "global" entrypoints with both Sara and Scott attached to them. I don't know if Sara and Scott share all "usual" flirt lines because it'd require me to go through all flirts with everybody to find out. But you need to only pick one of those 3 to start it (I mean fully, for game to completely lock you in), and one of them looks like it will available at any time if you don't reject him first. And all 3 are for both Ryders.  So, basically, as pertains to Keri/nex_doc.. We haven't found anyone else with a flirt in their character dialogue, but it doesn't really matter, since the nex_doc IS the name associated with them. Not their in-game name. But Keri being known to have flirt options doesn't rule out anything else, since Reyes is known to have romance content and he doesn't have an official. Meaning, they could both be "flings" with romance content, but not "global flirts" that make them "full romances". It's basically a big question mark? Thanks so much for taking the time to explain all this crap, by the way. You're a BSN treasure. We would be even WAY more insane without you. lol |
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 19, 2017 17:54:00 GMT
Maybe these voice actors don't know. They could have recorded a load of lines but are not sure themselves what's in or being cut. You know, I was thinking the same thing lately.. And that gif could be just to not put words he did not said to his mouth.. I think I will not go to sleep today, maybe I will watch Iron Fist whole season lol Watching Iron Fist now. Slow start but is then really good.  |
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Mar 19, 2017 17:54:28 GMT
Everbody do me a favor and keep this post at a even number of likes.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 19, 2017 17:54:47 GMT
gender =/= sex, every asari's biological sex is female but they don't have sex based gender roles because there's only one sex, and we don't know enough about asari perceptions of gender to talk about what they'd see it as. In this case gender and sex are used synonymously. We are bigendered they are monogendered, they aren't technically biologically female and can reproduce with others even other females. And not through asexual reproduction. Some can be interpreted as more masculine but this is more personality traits rather than them considering themselves male. It's possible they could prefer male pronouns in cases where their personalities are more in line with what is considered masculine behaviour. But "what's considered masculine behavior" according to whom? Humans? Turians? Salarians? Any kind of other being out there in the entire universe that has two genders? Because gender roles, and what's considered masculine behavior depends on many things, they're different in different cultures, much less different alien races. Besides, would that even make an Asari trans? Wouldn't they just be using male pronouns out of convenience? (because as I've said, being trans is also biological) |
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 17:55:03 GMT
I thought that too, but he said "unlike DA:I" and not "unlike DA2" - did he misspeak and mean DA2? Because otherwise I don't know what he was getting at in that second tweet. I thought the general concept of DA:I was the one they were following for ME:A - i.e. that some people will be straight, some will be bi, some will be gay, because that's more realistic and less gamey than everyone being playersexual. His second tweet left me really confused. Maybe he's just not really into video games and he confused the two systems, tbh. I could easily see it just being a mistake on his part. He's super into video games and a big BioWare fan already. When he taught voice acting he used to use BioWare scripts to do so. |
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 19, 2017 17:56:05 GMT
Oh just fuck everything. Fuck it! Saw the pictures on tumblr: No idea what's going on though. They swapped armour so they could insult each other. Really. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:56:45 GMT
You know, I was thinking the same thing lately.. And that gif could be just to not put words he did not said to his mouth.. I think I will not go to sleep today, maybe I will watch Iron Fist whole season lol Watching Iron Fist now. Slow start but is then really good. Sound like typical Marvels show to me, and I'm fine with it, I liked Daredevil, Jessica Jones and even Luke Cage  Sorry for OT  Actually fu** it, I'm not sorry, we need some distractions  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:57:28 GMT
Saw the pictures on tumblr: No idea what's going on though. They swapped armour so they could insult each other. Really. I love how Liam wanted to wear his poncho haha and then he told him what it's actually called, and they just start arguing and Ryder is having a silent fit. |
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 19, 2017 17:58:06 GMT
Watching Iron Fist now. Slow start but is then really good. Sound like typical Marvels show to me, and I'm fine with it, I liked Daredevil, Jessica Jones and even Luke Cage Sorry for OT And they're all coming together for the Defenders. |
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Post by ash on Mar 19, 2017 17:58:43 GMT
Sara just clearly has more beautiful soul than Scott. Ugh. This game is going to be the end of me, I swear. I wasn't sure in anything and I'm still not sure in anything. Code looks logical. Code looks like 99% proof that Jaal is bi. I don't know what to think about everything else. My small and pretty stupid brain can't process things that I can't see in their logical form, written and that can looks like it will work and shit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 17:59:16 GMT
In this case gender and sex are used synonymously. We are bigendered they are monogendered, they aren't technically biologically female and can reproduce with others even other females. And not through asexual reproduction. Some can be interpreted as more masculine but this is more personality traits rather than them considering themselves male. It's possible they could prefer male pronouns in cases where their personalities are more in line with what is considered masculine behaviour. But "what's considered masculine behavior" according to whom? Humans? Turians? Salarians? Any kind of other being out there in the entire universe that has two genders? Because gender roles, and what's considered masculine behavior depends on many things, they're different in different cultures, much less different alien races. Besides, would that even make an Asari trans? Wouldn't they just be using male pronouns out of convenience? (because as I've said, being trans is also biological) It would depend on whom said asari are spending the time with I suppose but technically in terms of gender dysphoria I don't believe you could have a trans asari. They're only referred to as she due to perceptions of others, one would assume their native language doesn't have a concept of gendered pronouns because they are all the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:00:30 GMT
Sound like typical Marvels show to me, and I'm fine with it, I liked Daredevil, Jessica Jones and even Luke Cage Sorry for OT And they're all coming together for the Defenders. Can't wait for June! Oh boy, I think my keyboard hates me (caps lock is on and then off lol), something seems off with her  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 19, 2017 18:00:34 GMT
He said that the romance files were in "rest", but does that mean that it has to be a character we don't meet until then, or that the romance just doesn't start until then? I trust ashes to find the code and tell me what it means, but it seems he's said before that things can be stored differently than you expect. If he says he thinks I'm wrong, though, then I will default to his belief. He knows much more about game coding than I do, obviously. It means it isn't actually starts in early version and that it was coded significantly later. Maybe we meet this character later or maybe something starts with that character later. I've already seen one example of NPC having different devnames in "early" and "rest", so it can be another situation like that. If I can understand shit from their data it is the fact that tons of content from rest overrides early to the point of me not being sure why they still need early. *hopes it is Lexi* |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:00:59 GMT
Sara just clearly has more beautiful soul than Scott. Ugh. This game is going to be the end of me, I swear. I wasn't sure in anything and I'm still not sure in anything. Code looks logical. Code looks like 99% proof that Jaal is bi. I don't know what to think about everything else. My small and pretty stupid brain can't process things that I can't see in their logical form, written and that can looks like it will work and shit. What exactly does that mean? |
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 19, 2017 18:01:11 GMT
You know, I was thinking the same thing lately.. And that gif could be just to not put words he did not said to his mouth.. I think I will not go to sleep today, maybe I will watch Iron Fist whole season lol Watching Iron Fist now. Slow start but is then really good. Iron Fist is actually my favourite Marvel hero... my expectations are too high to even give the show a shot, lol. I haven't even watched previews... |
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Post by naychan on Mar 19, 2017 18:01:49 GMT
Sara just clearly has more beautiful soul than Scott. Ugh. This game is going to be the end of me, I swear. I wasn't sure in anything and I'm still not sure in anything. Code looks logical. Code looks like 99% proof that Jaal is bi. I don't know what to think about everything else. My small and pretty stupid brain can't process things that I can't see in their logical form, written and that can looks like it will work and shit. What exactly does that mean? She has a vagina. sorry not sorry |
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Post by amoebae on Mar 19, 2017 18:01:53 GMT
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 18:02:13 GMT
Maybe he's just not really into video games and he confused the two systems, tbh. I could easily see it just being a mistake on his part. He's super into video games and a big BioWare fan already. When he taught voice acting he used to use BioWare scripts to do so. Oh. Well. I have no idea, then. Maybe he just said Inquisition when he meant 2. I mean, even sometimes when people generally know what they're talking about, they make mix ups. Who knows. But it doesn't really make much sense that ME3 would be different than Inquisition. It was already a multi-orientation system without even numbers. Maybe somebody should just ask him if he meant 2 instead of Inquisition. That's a pretty tame question that I don't think anyone could perceive as an "attack", if that's what people are worried about. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:02:40 GMT
What exactly does that mean? She has a vagina. sorry not sorryHaha |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:04:01 GMT
The way I think about it, it would have to depend on their interactions with other species. If they maybe grew up and/or spend a whole lot of time around male and female humans, like maybe raised by human parents or something, or raised around transgender humans, then I could think that... maybe there could be transgender asari? It's definitely a big stretch for me to think about. Because yes, there should be no male asari if you look at just their culture, they should have no concept of male at all. But an asari who's grown up around human culture might be able to identify with masculinity that they would see in humans versus femininity in humans. This would be an asari who's detached from their own culture. I don't know if that makes sense... because that asari would definitely be treated as female by humans around them, but especially if around transgender female-to-male humans, could think they want to be seen more like men and identify with those transgender ftm humans. Does that make sense at all? I don't know if I'm putting this into words well. Yep, exactly. That's why I'm so confused. But there's also the fact that being trans is biological. As in, they don't just feel like they're male/female, but they have the same brain patterns (as the members of the sex they identify as), etc. afaik. Asari are biologically monogendered as well, so I don't know how that would work. There can't be a trans Asari, because from what they would be trans? Trans literally means "across". Cis means "at the same side". How can you be a trans if you are monogendered? Note: I believe being trans is definitely a biological thing, and though science haven't adopted one theory of how someone becomes a trans (just like how someone becomes gay, there isn't one theory that explains it, right?), studies show it is very likely genetical, and genetic anomaly happens in a fetus very early that causes someone to be transgendered. Even the genes missbehaving are different for XX and XY-chromosomes (I can't say fetus has a gender, but chromosomes are there). I had dysphoria before I knew that transmen exist. I didn't even understand that I felt I'm a man, because I didn't think it was possible. Yes, I know I'm not allowed to talk about this but I believe I have some first-hand information about this. |
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Post by caladrius on Mar 19, 2017 18:05:27 GMT
He's super into video games and a big BioWare fan already. When he taught voice acting he used to use BioWare scripts to do so. Oh. Well. I have no idea, then. Maybe he just said Inquisition when he meant 2. I mean, even sometimes when people generally know what they're talking about, they make mix ups. Who knows. But it doesn't really make much sense that ME3 would be different than Inquisition. It was already a multi-orientation system without even numbers. Maybe somebody should just ask him if he meant 2 instead of Inquisition. That's a pretty tame question that I don't think anyone could perceive as an "attack", if that's what people are worried about. Like how I just called Andromeda ME3 in this post^^^^ Hahaha, wow. |
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 19, 2017 18:06:04 GMT
You know, I was thinking the same thing lately.. And that gif could be just to not put words he did not said to his mouth.. I think I will not go to sleep today, maybe I will watch Iron Fist whole season lol Watching Iron Fist now. Slow start but is then really good. It is? It's a total crapshoot for me personally. Big disappointment. |
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Post by ash on Mar 19, 2017 18:06:52 GMT
So, basically, as pertains to Keri/nex_doc.. We haven't found anyone else with a flirt in their character dialogue, but it doesn't really matter, since the nex_doc IS the name associated with them. Not their in-game name. But Keri being known to have flirt options doesn't rule out anything else, since Reyes is known to have romance content and he doesn't have an official. Meaning, they could both be "flings" with romance content, but not "global flirts" that make them "full romances". It's basically a big question mark? Thanks so much for taking the time to explain all this crap, by the way. You're a BSN treasure. We would be even WAY more insane without you. lol Yes. Everything is a big question mark regarding it. To put it simply - code you can easily access only has "romance" in terms of starting romance. Flirts are checked differently and have chance for being recognized the wrong way. Nah, actually way less insane. Cyonan would've said his words and that's all. No field for speculation. |
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 19, 2017 18:13:05 GMT
Can we take the Asari gender discussion to another thread? I've been part of some heated discourse on it, Hanako may remember, but it's getting too long for this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 18:13:45 GMT
Can we take the Asari gender discussion to another thread? I've been part of some heated discourse on it, Hanako may remember, but it's getting too long for this thread. Yeah that's not a romance related thing. |
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