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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:39:30 GMT
I'm a noob who can't figure out how to embed a tweet so I'll just c+p it here: Tom Taylorson @princeenigmatic mika _walters True but we cant speak to any of that yet. That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationships That doesn't sound very promising to me. That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationshipsYeah, that pretty much settles it. M/m is gonna get screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:43:30 GMT
I'm a noob who can't figure out how to embed a tweet so I'll just c+p it here: Tom Taylorson @princeenigmatic mika _walters True but we cant speak to any of that yet. That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationships That doesn't sound very promising to me. That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationshipsYeah, that pretty much settles it. M/m is gonna get screwed. yea, thats the tweet that crushed my hopes too. whats this "video gamey" wording anyway it is a video game! i dont want freaking real life relationships.
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Post by Kian on Feb 23, 2017 17:44:23 GMT
Multiple articles already confirmed you can flirt with everybody as both genders so disecting individual confirmations is rather pointless, it may mean nothing. That being said, if main gay romance is NPC once again all I can do is roll my eyes. Soooo predictable Bioware. People want SQUADMATES, you know it, straight players romancing main squadmates know it, we know it. Squadmates can be taken anywhere and have most dialgoues by far and this is why they will ALWAYS be the main "prize" /jocob voice Here we are agreeing. Strange Anywho, a couple of days ago I stumbled on a video on youtube (a gaming channel) where a couple of people were talking, very seriously ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MVXW0DmcTsJZlBSSOwAc.png) , about the "very important and worrying trend" in Bioware games of "having an agenda". Said agenda was, shocker of shockers, the adding of gay characters because of sjw-ish reasons and not because "it made sense". I rolled my eyes so hard that they popped out of my skull. I still haven't found them. I'm blind now ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Or I could say the stupidity was so BRIGHT it burned my eyes out of my skull... meh... something like that. Point is, with morons like that all over the place, and obviously very LOUD morons, game devs, and more specifically the companies management decision-makers will very clearly stay away from gay content as much as possible (actually they will avoid male/male content like the plague - occasionally they do a half-assed attempt at lesbian content, but mostly failing since it's aimed at str8 male players as well). Of course they will do shit like Bethesda, screaming about how inclussive they are with gay marriage, but then "mysteriously" having 0 gay characters in-game, out of hundreds of npcs. Or like the Mass Effect team and the "we always thought of *MALE* shepard as str8" nug of stupidity . I'm saying Mass Effect team and not Bioware as a company, since the Dragon Age series was aweome in my opinion (with flaws and room for improvement, but awesome nonetheless) and it certainly was and is one of, if not THE most inclussive in gaming history. Meh.
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Post by hellionrex on Feb 23, 2017 17:44:32 GMT
Just a thought, but maybe some people here are jumping the gun and getting extremely worked up on very, very little concrete information.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:49:54 GMT
Just a thought, but maybe some people here are jumping the gun and getting extremely worked up on very, very little concrete information. You may be right but given the little information we do have and the ME team's history, I think being a little concerned is fair.
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Post by Kian on Feb 23, 2017 17:51:32 GMT
I'm incredibly sceptical about these rumours. If there are two male and female options for Sara, and more than two female options for Scott on the squad but no male options for Scott on the squad that would be the most skewed the romance options have ever been. I'm sure that somebody would have picked up on that, and would be very surprised if it got through. I mean, it's possible, but I'm sure Bioware are fully aware of the justified outcry that would ensue. I can't see them doing it knowing that. Why not. They have ALREADY done that with the Mass Effect games. First 2 no question. Third one... eh we can debate how "equally" the gay options were treated. Don't get me wrong, I want to hope I'm just paranoid, but... Like @princeenigmatic said, I'm also considering canceling my preorder.
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Post by hellionrex on Feb 23, 2017 17:52:43 GMT
Just a thought, but maybe some people here are jumping the gun and getting extremely worked up on very, very little concrete information. You may be right but given the little information we do have and the ME team's history, I think being a little concerned is fair. Being concerned is fair. But this has the makings of a bit of hysteria. My point still stands though. We have very, very little information to go off of.
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Post by ruffian on Feb 23, 2017 17:55:02 GMT
![](http://i.imgur.com/mvpfqm2.gif) Suuuuuuuuuuuure this is totalllllly not a confirmation and we will toooooooootally scenes like these with 2 males in the trailers ![](http://i.imgur.com/mvpfqm2.gif) ![](http://i.imgur.com/HZBvNaD.jpg) This is nightmare inducing. What's going on with their faces in this scene???? BTW does anyone know if all the people who played the hands-on and talked about flirting with specific members of the crew played Sara? Excluding that one person who flirted with Gil.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 17:55:21 GMT
![](http://i.imgur.com/mvpfqm2.gif) Suuuuuuuuuuuure this is totalllllly not a confirmation and we will toooooooootally scenes like these with 2 males in the trailers ![](http://i.imgur.com/mvpfqm2.gif) ![](http://i.imgur.com/HZBvNaD.jpg) We also had content of the Male Inquis flirting with Sera. While I feel for those potentially getting the shaft (or not, as the case may be), please don't use absolutes where there is no confirmation.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 17:57:00 GMT
Alla that said, I wanted to have Jaal be Bi. I miss having a Bi-Bro, not to mention the male playera wanting alien lubs.
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Post by davkar on Feb 23, 2017 17:57:17 GMT
![](http://i.imgur.com/mvpfqm2.gif) Suuuuuuuuuuuure this is tooooootally not a confirmation and we will tooooootally see scenes like these with 2 males in the trailers ![](http://i.imgur.com/mvpfqm2.gif) ![](http://i.imgur.com/HZBvNaD.jpg) Last time we saw that shot there was a gun too. Cue jealous/angry Sara?
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Post by Reznore on Feb 23, 2017 17:57:35 GMT
Jesus the psycho eyes , it looks like Female Blue Shrek is about to eat the soul of a Ken Barbie doll. I meant heart...with eyes like this Ryder obviously has no soul.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 17:57:54 GMT
You may be right but given the little information we do have and the ME team's history, I think being a little concerned is fair. Being concerned is fair. But this has the makings of a bit of hysteria. My point still stands though. We have very, very little information to off of. I wouldn't say "very little." All of the options they have confirmed/teased have been women, with the exception of Jaal. However, m/m have never had an alien option. All of this coupled with the ME team's history and now with Taylorson's " That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationships" is very concerning.
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Post by ruffian on Feb 23, 2017 18:01:00 GMT
Being concerned is fair. But this has the makings of a bit of hysteria. My point still stands though. We have very, very little information to off of. I wouldn't say "very little." All of the options they have confirmed/teased have been women, with the exception of Jaal. However, m/m have never had an alien option. All of this coupled with the ME team's history and now with Taylorson's " That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationships" is very concerning. Like I said I think it sounds very concerning, but it's possible he was just speaking generally. I'm not sure he even understood the first tweet correctly.
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Post by turianlannister on Feb 23, 2017 18:02:44 GMT
I'm incredibly sceptical about these rumours. If there are two male and female options for Sara, and more than two female options for Scott on the squad but no male options for Scott on the squad that would be the most skewed the romance options have ever been. I'm sure that somebody would have picked up on that, and would be very surprised if it got through. I mean, it's possible, but I'm sure Bioware are fully aware of the justified outcry that would ensue. I can't see them doing it knowing that. They may compensate for it by allowing the male to nail everything that moves and not in the office like a male smuggler and imperial agent do in SWTOR. If they allowed gay M!Ryder to nail everything that moves you'd still get straight M!Ryder throwing shit fits over gays getting more romance options than them even if M!Ryder has no male options on the squad, straight F!Ryder players would probably also complain.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 18:05:21 GMT
I wouldn't say "very little." All of the options they have confirmed/teased have been women, with the exception of Jaal. However, m/m have never had an alien option. All of this coupled with the ME team's history and now with Taylorson's " That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationships" is very concerning. Like I said I think it sounds very concerning, but it's possible he was just speaking generally. I'm not sure he even understood the first tweet correctly. im pessimistic, cant do anything about it:( but i still would love to be proven wrong when the game releases. id rather wait more, then risk by pre-ordering.
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Post by ruffian on Feb 23, 2017 18:06:06 GMT
Somebody ask him to describe Gil. Request he file a false police report so he can get an artist to produce a sketch of him. I don't live in Europe and I don't know for sure that this is illegal. I think Gil is probably the guy they're discussing in the Reyes thread.
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Post by Petroshenko on Feb 23, 2017 18:07:40 GMT
Here we are agreeing. Strange I was going to throw some shade but I'll you enjoy that half semester of mandatory philosophy class Anywho, a couple of days ago I stumbled on a video on youtube (a gaming channel) where a couple of people were talking, very seriously ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MVXW0DmcTsJZlBSSOwAc.png) , about the "very important and worrying trend" in Bioware games of "having an agenda". Said agenda was, shocker of shockers, the adding of gay characters because of sjw-ish reasons and not because "it made sense". I rolled my eyes so hard that they popped out of my skull. I still haven't found them. I'm blind now ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Or I could say the stupidity was so BRIGHT it burned my eyes out of my skull... meh... something like that. Don't look for it it, will just give them more clicks. Best to ignore, there's no reasoning with folks like this. You could be of most balanced, open-minded POV listening to everyone's thoughts on the matter, never subscribing to any extreme combatant feminist/SJW stance and screaming "cultural appropriation!" left and right when someone simply dresses as their favourite character on Halloween or something and they will still label you as having/supporting radical agenda. Any stance for equal/better tratement of gay people and characters is agenda to them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 18:09:30 GMT
I wouldn't say "very little." All of the options they have confirmed/teased have been women, with the exception of Jaal. However, m/m have never had an alien option. All of this coupled with the ME team's history and now with Taylorson's " That said: "limitations" make for less "video gamey" relationships" is very concerning. Like I said I think it sounds very concerning, but it's possible he was just speaking generally. I'm not sure he even understood the first tweet correctly. I think the people that tweeted him were pretty clear. Милана Татаренко mika _waltersi just think that every sexuality deserves a one full romance in the main squad, not only small scraps with npcs. Tom Taylorson @taylorson mika _walters I will say - no scrappy romances. And it's not looking good.
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Post by Kian on Feb 23, 2017 18:13:16 GMT
A good, finally caught up with the last few pages. Now I can safely say I'm more depressed then before ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Still, I'll wait for the March 16th (or whatever the date is) when we will get confirmations from data mining and etc. If the "mass effect team is shit" scenario turns out to be true, and gay male options will be OBVIOUSLY and PURPOSEFULLY CENSORED/DENIED/ERASED AGAIN, for the 4TH effing time, then I will kindly cancel my preorder and you know, give "best" wishes to said team. ![^_^](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/EtHtHOFIelYOpQMaMGkP.png) I'm forced (lol I know) to still support Bioware, since they are still the most inclusive company out there, but this would be just too shitty a move to forgive. So fk it. I want to say I'm still hoping I'm wrong and they didn't do this, but I'm not feeling it ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png)
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Post by ruffian on Feb 23, 2017 18:17:43 GMT
A good, finally caught up with the last few pages. Now I can safely say I'm more depressed then before Still, I'll wait for the March 16th (or whatever the date is) when we will get confirmations from data mining and etc. If the "mass effect team is shit" scenario turns out to be true, and gay male options will be OBVIOUSLY and PURPOSEFULLY CENSORED/DENIED/ERASED AGAIN, for the 4TH effing time, then I will kindly cancel my preorder and you know, give "best" wishes to said team. I'm forced (lol I know) to still support Bioware, since they are still the most inclusive company out there, but this would be just too shitty a move to forgive. So fk it. I want to say I'm still hoping I'm wrong and they didn't do this, but I'm not feeling it Remember that we really don't really know more about this now than we did yesterday. Tom wrote some kind of concerning things on twitter but nothing we can really conclude anything from.
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Post by Panda on Feb 23, 2017 18:17:57 GMT
To be fair.. aren't squadmates technically NPCs as well? You don't really play them on ME. In forums they are separated from NPCs, but I wonder if outside of it as well. This is probably really useless comment though. Well then it's back to '' most everyone '' has options, if he does mean including squadmates. It still means that most people, but not all. He's trying to say something while not really saying anything so I don't know how much can be found out from his tweets, he might not mean that. Personally I think he was simply trying to reassure people that there will be options- without giving about info at all where. - but again I don't really know.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 23, 2017 18:21:04 GMT
Multiple articles already confirmed you can flirt with everybody as both genders so disecting individual confirmations is rather pointless, it may mean nothing. That being said, if main gay romance is NPC once again all I can do is roll my eyes. Soooo predictable Bioware. People want SQUADMATES, you know it, straight players romancing main squadmates know it, we know it. Squadmates can be taken anywhere and have most dialgoues by far and this is why they will ALWAYS be the main "prize" /jocob voice Here we are agreeing. Strange Anywho, a couple of days ago I stumbled on a video on youtube (a gaming channel) where a couple of people were talking, very seriously ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MVXW0DmcTsJZlBSSOwAc.png) , about the "very important and worrying trend" in Bioware games of "having an agenda". Said agenda was, shocker of shockers, the adding of gay characters because of sjw-ish reasons and not because "it made sense". I rolled my eyes so hard that they popped out of my skull. I still haven't found them. I'm blind now ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Or I could say the stupidity was so BRIGHT it burned my eyes out of my skull... meh... something like that. Point is, with morons like that all over the place, and obviously very LOUD morons, game devs, and more specifically the companies management decision-makers will very clearly stay away from gay content as much as possible (actually they will avoid male/male content like the plague - occasionally they do a half-assed attempt at lesbian content, but mostly failing since it's aimed at str8 male players as well). Of course they will do shit like Bethesda, screaming about how inclussive they are with gay marriage, but then "mysteriously" having 0 gay characters in-game, out of hundreds of npcs. Or like the Mass Effect team and the "we always thought of *MALE* shepard as str8" nug of stupidity . I'm saying Mass Effect team and not Bioware as a company, since the Dragon Age series was aweome in my opinion (with flaws and room for improvement, but awesome nonetheless) and it certainly was and is one of, if not THE most inclussive in gaming history. Meh. .... but there should be gay and bi characters... It's not some 'agenda' to a) represent actual demographics, or ![B)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/svRGzLVjsxnVDvfLJOrp.png) make your customers happy. I mean, Marvel is a prime example of agendas. But no, not a single 'agenda' going on. Give BroRyder a bro or a boi. There's 10000% no reason not to have a gay or bi male squaddie.
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 23, 2017 18:22:45 GMT
I'm incredibly sceptical about these rumours. If there are two male and female options for Sara, and more than two female options for Scott on the squad but no male options for Scott on the squad that would be the most skewed the romance options have ever been. I'm sure that somebody would have picked up on that, and would be very surprised if it got through. I mean, it's possible, but I'm sure Bioware are fully aware of the justified outcry that would ensue. I can't see them doing it knowing that. Why not. They have ALREADY done that with the Mass Effect games. First 2 no question. Third one... eh we can debate how "equally" the gay options were treated. Don't get me wrong, I want to hope I'm just paranoid, but... Like @princeenigmatic said, I'm also considering canceling my preorder. Having 2 squaddies for a straight/gay female protag and 3 squaddies for straight male protag but 0 for gay male protag is on a completely new level though. No previous Bioware game period has been that skewed against a single demographic. Rather than making me angry though, it just makes me doubt the rumors more. They'll be plenty of time to be angry and complain when/if it is confirmed.
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