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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 20, 2017 17:54:06 GMT
To add to Cyonan's point, remember what worked (at least a bit) for enacting change for ME3: it was the calm unified effort that brought about the EC, flawed though it may have been, not random screaming and death theats (the latter is actually part of what hindered us from getting more). Anyone that was around the Romance section a bit before it closed might also remember the Romance Appreciation book a few users organized with what I think was over a thousand contributions of fans writings letters about their favorite characters and what they wanted. There's less of a demonstrable cause and effect situation there but a little later we got the Citadel DLC.
Point is, if you remain calm, stay strong and unified you can craft a message to send to BioWare that they will hear. A message that should be free of negativity, personal attacks and overdramatization. All these things can not only be rightfully ignored but will only hurt your cause and get you less than what you wanted. There's never a guarantee of success but if you stay strong and do things collectively and positively, you have a better chance than a screeching mob descending on Twitter.
Organize. Be calm. Be civil. Work out what you want and politely but firmly inform BioWare of your dissatisfaction and your requests in one voice.
I wish you luck.
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 17:54:11 GMT
On a side note, I've found 4th asari (out of 5 I talked to) using Lexi's face and 3 cloned humans. Makes me wonder what they were doing for 5 years. I guess having trouble. For my understanding they had lot of staff changes during development and apparently team that had only did DLCs before not whole game was responsible for ME:A. Any of that doesn't excuse situation with the romances though, unfair division has nothing to do with that even if some other problems with games have.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 17:54:40 GMT
So... What do you think it was that made Bioware make this decision? Absent-minded Ignorance or Whogivesafuck Indifference? Assuming that Bioware did make this decision, which again, we have no guarantee of... Probably the former for most of the team, with some of the latter for the higher-ups who aren't new. Not that the latter is too uncommon; see Jacob in ME3. It's probably safe to say that the ME team does not have and never has had any sort of commitment to allyship in the way that the DA team did.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 17:54:45 GMT
There is no around that the team has bias towards straight males and forgot many other demographics in process gays worst. Even if Jaal ends up being bi somehow gay guys still have shortest stick with one crewromance that can be nice sure, but seemingly lacks content compared. And that would still mean that they had first planned game without m/m romance in squad. Such blatant favoritism and unfairness is not thing that any player no matter their orientation and who they are going to romance should tolerate with good coincience. Someone on Bioware made really shitty decision and screwed lot of player base over it. I can't see how telling them that would be harassment at all unless you think all words and critic against game, it's marketing and development is harassment. Even if we DID have Jaal, we still would've had less romance than everyone else - but I would've been able to accept that. The fact that we don't even get that feels a little like a slap in the face.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 17:54:47 GMT
Yeah that's what I don't get. There's not even a quicksave feature. Like what the fuck were they doing? Passing out weed? y this is what we get for having the B team in charge Why did BW do this. They didn't have to put all of the A team on new IP. They could've spared more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:54:49 GMT
They fucking did it. I can't believe this. It is now official: I will hate Bioware for the rest of my life, and never give them a cent. Oh God let this be wrong, just like with Kaidan. Come on the DAI team didn't do this. The MEA team did. I'm not reasonable today, I can be it tomorrow. Today I hate everything. ![](http://i.amz.mshcdn.com/UBGOQlZtnrOLKhzVSkHQg_bMM-E=/fit-in/1200x9600/http%3A%2F%2Fmashable.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2FGlee.gif)
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 17:55:43 GMT
I can't believe Mass Effect Andromeda just disappeared off the face of the planet! Can't wait for DA4! MEA was just a mass hallucination, I can't believe it
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Post by I T I S F A I R on Mar 20, 2017 17:55:44 GMT
Yeah that's what I don't get. There's not even a quicksave feature. Like what the fuck were they doing? Passing out weed? y this is what we get for having the B team in charge Its not even the B team(austin), its the C team(montreal) who worked on Andromeda and who have never even made a full fledged game before.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:09 GMT
this is what we get for having the B team in charge Why did BW do this. They didn't have to put all of the A team on new IP. They could've spared more. *shrug* there are no answers right now, only salt
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:35 GMT
I think it's actually the opposite based on flirt checks and datamined content between Gil and Reyes. It seems Reyes probably has more content than Gil. Which makes sense, as Reyes is the third bi option. I've only seen this video: I don't know if there's any content after that, hopefully there's more. Does he even count towards the achievement? If he does, that means gay guys are the only orientation to not get the romance achievement (3 romances). There's another scene after this, I'm almost certain, which is the final romance scene. The dialogue was on Dana's Tumblr before. It was with Scott. Plus, he has a vidcall and he's tied to a fairly important quest on one of the planets. Gil's content seems pretty light, so I'm not saying it takes a lot to compete.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:41 GMT
this is what we get for having the B team in charge Its not even the B team(austin), its the C team(montreal) who worked on Andromeda and who have never even made a full fledged game before. idk man..... TOR qualifies them for like G team
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Post by fizzypop on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:42 GMT
I really just don't feel like Jaal being straight is possible. I guess I'll have to VPN it myself with the default scott. :/
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:43 GMT
I can't believe Mass Effect Andromeda just disappeared off the face of the planet! Can't wait for DA4! MEA was just a mass hallucination, I can't believe it Mass Hallucination, maybe there're gays there ...
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 17:56:55 GMT
Why did BW do this. They didn't have to put all of the A team on new IP. They could've spared more. *shrug* there are no answers right now, only salt The irony is that, despite everything, there's a fair chance that this will be my favorite ME game.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:07 GMT
BioWare handled the marketing for this very wrong and the devs - EVEN if you believe EA forced them to reduced teh gays, were careless with the gay npcs. They could have developed them more, give them an unique appearance, more scenes and dialogues. They just didn't care enough.
Hugs to all of you.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:26 GMT
It's so hard to put it into words how let down I feel, I really can't say anything else except '' better luck next time! '' I'll try to get my pre-order cancelled though cuz this is dumb and gay. :c
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:27 GMT
That said... I am gunna vent a wee bit.
If the game flops and financially fails, I won't be upset personally.
A really bitter and salty part of me feels they deserve this game to fail given this disaster of a marketing and overall just an inferior game to everything they've done before. Plus they way they have screwed over their gay and bi male fans.
No alien romance??? Yeah... screw that.
I'll see myself out.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:36 GMT
And it's really not that meaty when compared to what we've seen of Cora's for example. IIRC it's not even like, half. I'm sure they'll make up for it with scintillating quality though. I mean, for me, not really though. I do appreciate what they've tried to do with Gil's story, but damn from what I've seen (which seems to be nearly all of it) it comes across as really weird. Literally the reason you suddenly, out of the blue, with no strong emotional relationship that has built up over time with commitment to each other, decide to have a baby together is because some woman who is in charge of repopulating the universe and goes on all the time at Gil about how it's his duty to father children decides she wants Gil to be the father to her baby, and heck, why not, since Scott seems like an okay dude who's kissed Gil once, why not you two guys both be the daddy?
I really appreciate the sentiment behind it, but it's very badly done, imo.
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Post by justiceway on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:42 GMT
Hey i live an hour away from bioware austin, im about to kick in their door and stare at them in disappointment. Anyone wanna come with
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:53 GMT
this is what we get for having the B team in charge Its not even the B team(austin), its the C team(montreal) who worked on Andromeda and who have never even made a full fledged game before. Wait...they put people who never even worked on a game before in charge of the reboot? But why?
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Post by Jaal Is Not Ojingeo on Mar 20, 2017 17:57:54 GMT
I'm completely numb... I can't believe BioWare would actually do it, we've gone backwards. Unbelievable... Just unbelievable. I wanted to think positively even with all negativity around but, this game feels not worth it anymore.
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Post by The Doctor on Mar 20, 2017 17:58:04 GMT
It felt like this was coming... I thought I was just being cynical yesterday when I thought Ian's post in the Gil thread was preemptive damage control. ![:why:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/MVXW0DmcTsJZlBSSOwAc.png) Do you have a link to that post? EDIT: found it
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 17:58:22 GMT
That said... I am gunna vent a wee bit. If the game flops and financially fails, I won't be upset personally. A really bitter and salty part of me feels they deserve this game to fail given this disaster of a marketing and overall just an inferior game to everything they've done before. Plus they way they have screwed over their gay and bi male fans. No alien romance??? Yeah... screw that. I'll see myself out. What will you do if it doesn't flop?
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Post by shahwyrd on Mar 20, 2017 17:58:33 GMT
Us gay guys should just team up and make our own game. Everyone will be gay.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 17:58:37 GMT
*shrug* there are no answers right now, only salt The irony is that, despite everything, there's a fair chance that this will be my favorite ME game. with what I've been hearing about the story and writing, I'm not sure it'll be topping many lists for best game in the franchise
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