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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:25:20 GMT
No and like. I fucking knew it was too good to be true. I knew it. Yet I thought that this time, it would be different, somehow. Something would go right, for once. A bisexual male alien squadmate! The perfect opportunity for BW to redeem themselves. God. Fuck me for believing Jaal could ever be anything but straight. I always felt that Jaal would be bi. Now I can't even trust my own intuition anymore, ffs. I begin to doubt myself, and who knows where it will lead me? All this just because they made Jaal straight. I need a therapist after this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:25:28 GMT
Ashe confirmed Reyes is bi and worth it. I know you are trying your hardest and I really appreciate it! But, let's us just have this, for now, lol. Huh? I'm just confirming stuff. I am not even reading the thread.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 18:25:32 GMT
So they have legitimately outright lied. They said ages and ages ago gay men "could smooch aliens".So yeah... that was a lie. And while I'm sure its a bit too early to pass blame... it is noticeable that there has been a downward trend in quality in ME games the more prominent a role Mac Walters has with the ME games. LMAO YEAH REMEMBER THAT? THEY LITERALLY FUCKING SAID THAT HAHAHAHA (I AM NOT OKAY) Thanks for reminding me. Now I can be even more salty, as if that was possible lmao
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 18:25:47 GMT
To be fair I'm a bit gleeful too. I mean really. Ana's what were you thinking comes into play here. (and I can't even get a refund. WTF is it because I played the trial because if so that's some bullshit).
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 20, 2017 18:26:10 GMT
can't even be excited about my waifu, i'm just numb and angry I'm three hours away, we can live on their lawn. :sob: Another salty Texan here, I'll join you~ Our salt could fill the entire state. And it's a big fucking state, y'all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:26:12 GMT
I must say I am dissapointed, just like most of people here. Never expected such decision on making Jaal straight and Vetra bi, that's just... not fair I guess and it doesn't make sense. Still, it doesn't mean that game is worthless, there are diffrent aspects of the ME, but I am afraid that for now MEA sounds like average game at most. I'm sorry for everyone hoping for diffrent outcome.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 18:26:21 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 18:26:25 GMT
I know you are trying your hardest and I really appreciate it! But, let's us just have this, for now, lol. Huh? I'm just confirming stuff. I am not even reading the thread. Ah, well, carry on then.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 18:26:49 GMT
I must say I am dissapointed, just like most of people here. Never expected such decision on making Jaal straight and Vetra bi, that's just... not fair I guess and it doesn't make sense. Still, it doesn't mean that game is wotrhtless, there are diffrent aspects of the ME, but I am afraid that for now MEA sounds like average game at most. I'm sorry for everyone hoping for diffrent outcome. Would it have been more fair if Vetra was straight?
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 18:27:01 GMT
Depends on if you consider the Prima guide and several previewers who have been playing the game as confirmation or not. Previewers with conflicting information. At this point it would be downright cruelty to ask gay players to continue to hope for Jaal. I won't ask anyone to keep hope alive. Last night, sure. Now? No. Does that mean it's 100% confirmed? No. But it might as well be. I won't be cruel to anyone. Not like that.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 18:27:17 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps. Alright, I guess we can do that for the time being!
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Post by uberlurker on Mar 20, 2017 18:27:39 GMT
To be fair I'm a bit gleeful too. I mean really. Ana's what were you thinking comes into play here. (and I can't even get a refund. WTF is it because I played the trial because if so that's some bullshit). Hey, at least Persona 5 is supposed to be awesome!
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Post by lyriumghost on Mar 20, 2017 18:27:50 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still have no actual confirmation on Jaal being straight yet, yes? Depends on if you consider the Prima guide and several previewers who have been playing the game as confirmation or not. Additionally, every tweet in response to asking for a list of the options is met with "wait for the Prima guide!" You'd think it would be correct but here we go with such high expectations of competence again.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Mar 20, 2017 18:27:52 GMT
I'm thinking of making a refuge for salty gays on Discord, would anyone be up for that? I feel like our angst will just bring the whole place down and it's going to dwell into gay vs straight shit. I have no idea how Discord works though lmao so it'll take some time! Me.
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Post by fingly on Mar 20, 2017 18:28:05 GMT
I think the worst thing about this whole mess is that there will be next to no repercussions for it. Like... I really feel absolutely powerless here. BioWare is still going to make a ton of money off of this game, because let's be real, GBT men are a very small portion of their fanbase, and even if they all refused to buy, it probably wouldn't put much of a dent in their profits. And you could say, "Well, maybe they'll learn from the criticism they'll get for doing this and improve before the next game!" But that's what we said after the OT, when gay men only ever got options in the very last game, and those options were an NPC and a cut down copy-paste of a straight romance. We expected better this time, and we were let down. It's just shitty, and there's no way to make it better. At this point I already have the game and can't cancel my purchase, but I'm not going to buy any more Mass Effect games or any DLC for this game. I know that won't actually do anything, but at least my conscience will be cleaner. *shrug*
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 18:28:38 GMT
I still have the digital edition of the prima guide, when it unlocks I'll go see if there are any changes made into the digital version. Most likely not, since I feel like it's just scans of the original guide compiled into a website, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:28:41 GMT
So many people leaving BioWare is sooo starting to make sense...
Few years from now, this moment in time will be considered the beginning of the end for BioWare, I reckon.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 18:28:44 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps. Is it a betrayal if I still buy the game?
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 20, 2017 18:28:54 GMT
Man I loved David Gaider. I hope everyone understood to appreciate him enough when he still was writing for us. I loved him, I still follow him on twitter and his blog on tumblr was one of my favorite before he deleted it, had a ton of interesting insight on game writing and developing. Does Gaider still work at Bioware? Or has he left?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 18:29:05 GMT
To be fair I'm a bit gleeful too. I mean really. Ana's what were you thinking comes into play here. (and I can't even get a refund. WTF is it because I played the trial because if so that's some bullshit). Hey, at least Persona 5 is supposed to be awesome! If it was on fucking PC. But nooooo.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 20, 2017 18:29:05 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still have no actual confirmation on Jaal being straight yet, yes? Prima Guide says he's straight. Sure, there was Kaidan prima guide mistake for ME3. But what are the chances the exact same highly specific and rare mistake happens again lol?
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Mar 20, 2017 18:29:11 GMT
I must say I am dissapointed, just like most of people here. Never expected such decision on making Jaal straight and Vetra bi, that's just... not fair I guess and it doesn't make sense. Still, it doesn't mean that game is wotrhtless, there are diffrent aspects of the ME, but I am afraid that for now MEA sounds like average game at most. I'm sorry for everyone hoping for diffrent outcome. Would it have been more fair if Vetra was straight? That would be heresy. Heresy and madness.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 18:30:12 GMT
Looking at the guide female players don't get a romance save for Vetra, only something described in a really weird way, as a friendship with an option of exclusivity? Is there some fertile females sharing coop going around a-la Krogans or something lore wise? I am a bit confused. This friendship, exclusivity thing, is just an extension of the way they've tried to make relationships (platonic and romantic) as a whole more meaningful. So, it's my understanding that you can develop a friendship with these characters regardless of whether you decide to romance them, but if you do flirt and so on you have extra opportunities. The exclusivity part means that not all romances need start out as 'locked in' - but rather you can start something casual with them and not become serious, and start a romance with someone else. But, when you get to a certain point, you can choose to be exclusive with that person. It's not in any way indicative that a romance is somehow lesser. Quite the opposite, in fact. Which makes it interesting, and a little worrying, that Suvi is the only one on the Tempest who doesn't have this next to her name.
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 20, 2017 18:30:17 GMT
Since it didn't make sense to put gay and bi men in the squad, it also doesn't make sense for this gay to pay full price for the game. Hey, DA team? If you could release DA4 before January, that would be sweet.
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Post by byne on Mar 20, 2017 18:30:28 GMT
So they have legitimately outright lied. They said ages and ages ago gay men "could smooch aliens".So yeah... that was a lie. And while I'm sure its a bit too early to pass blame... it is noticeable that there has been a downward trend in quality in ME games the more prominent a role Mac Walters has with the ME games. LMAO YEAH REMEMBER THAT? THEY LITERALLY FUCKING SAID THAT HAHAHAHA (I AM NOT OKAY) Thanks for reminding me. Now I can be even more salty, as if that was possible lmao "Gay men are fully capable of smooching female aliens." - BW probably
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