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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:30:46 GMT
I must say I am dissapointed, just like most of people here. Never expected such decision on making Jaal straight and Vetra bi, that's just... not fair I guess and it doesn't make sense. Still, it doesn't mean that game is wotrhtless, there are diffrent aspects of the ME, but I am afraid that for now MEA sounds like average game at most. I'm sorry for everyone hoping for diffrent outcome. Would it have been more fair if Vetra was straight? For me? Yes.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 18:30:46 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we still have no actual confirmation on Jaal being straight yet, yes? Prima Guide says he's straight. Sure, there was Kaidan prima guide mistake for ME3. But what are the chances the exact same highly specific and rare mistake happens again lol? Well, the alternative is that Bioware and several reviewers have been outright lying for no helpful reason.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 18:31:11 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't recommend hiding in your own private corner, but I could be wrong. I do think the rage needs to be visible, though. Well I mean yeah but I feel like we really don't need to bring this place down with our moaning, kind of. And it will escalate into something shitty I'm sure of it. :c I don't think we should stop posting here, I just think maybe somewhere private would be good for more intense venting where no one has to worry about how polite they come across. It's up to you guys though since I have no idea how any of this shit works.
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Post by ceciliacrescent on Mar 20, 2017 18:31:29 GMT
Looking at the guide female players don't get a romance save for Vetra, only something described in a really weird way, as a friendship with an option of exclusivity? Is there some fertile females sharing coop going around a-la Krogans or something lore wise? I am a bit confused. I may be wrong but the "Friendship" they refer to is basically a fling or a sexual but not committed relationship. The exclusivity that's mentioned is basically sealing the deal and going steady (So no option to bang other characters.) Sara can basically bang Liam, Peebee, Jaal and Reyes all at once, provided no exclusivity option is picked. Same for Scott with Peebee, Gil and Reyes.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 18:31:43 GMT
FUCK! Sorry everyone. That was the worst. These should work now. My palms are sweaty because I fucked that up. PB friendship?
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Post by lurkinglurker on Mar 20, 2017 18:31:56 GMT
Ashe ladyinsanity Now that the review embargoes are out, let me just say... Possible romance option spoiler...?Romance Reyes. (Just do it.) #MEAndromeda
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:04 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps. About Reddit I can say that developers do read it. I know Eric Musco from SWTOR follows SWTOR sub-Reddit and sometimes even comments there. Reddit is easy place for them to check what is happening.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:05 GMT
Would it have been more fair if Vetra was straight? Why would it make anything better to take something from someone else? It would have been more "fair" if Jaal was bi would be a more constructive way of thinking about things, no?
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:19 GMT
Looking at the guide female players don't get a romance save for Vetra, only something described in a really weird way, as a friendship with special options and an option of exclusivity? Is there some fertile females sharing coop going around a-la Krogans or something lore wise? I am a bit confused. Personally I think it means poly or not. Special option would be polyromance (or maybe open relationship or friends with benefits) and option of exclusivity would be mono.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:21 GMT
I think the worst thing about this whole mess is that there will be next to no repercussions for it. Like... I really feel absolutely powerless here. BioWare is still going to make a ton of money off of this game, because let's be real, GBT men are a very small portion of their fanbase, and even if they all refused to buy, it probably wouldn't put much of a dent in their profits. And you could say, "Well, maybe they'll learn from the criticism they'll get for doing this and improve before the next game!" But that's what we said after the OT, when gay men only ever got options in the very last game, and those options were an NPC and a cut down copy-paste of a straight romance. We expected better this time, and we were let down. It's just shitty, and there's no way to make it better. At this point I already have the game and can't cancel my purchase, but I'm not going to buy any more Mass Effect games or any DLC for this game. I know that won't actually do anything, but at least my conscience will be cleaner. *shrug* This is the thing. The powerlessness of it all. All I can say is that gay and bisexual men need allies in this fight. I hope we can all step up, even if we have options we're happy with ourselves, and stand shoulder to shoulder and show strength together.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:35 GMT
Out of curiousity, what was everyone's opinion here about Inquisition?
I enjoyed the game, and the characters, but it's painful to replay, mostly in terms of grinding (thank god for PC mods).
The story is a bit cliche, not as grey as I would've liked, and tbh, DAII had more unique and diverse characters imo. That isn't to say I didn't immensely love them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:40 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps. Is it a betrayal if I still buy the game? ofc not, if you are satisfied with the options, its your decision only to buy it or not.
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Post by ash on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:40 GMT
LMAO YEAH REMEMBER THAT? THEY LITERALLY FUCKING SAID THAT HAHAHAHA (I AM NOT OKAY) Thanks for reminding me. Now I can be even more salty, as if that was possible lmao "Gay men are fully capable of smooching female aliens." - BW probably Asari are not female, how can you forget that. They are totes count as an option for gay men.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 18:32:53 GMT
Well I mean yeah but I feel like we really don't need to bring this place down with our moaning, kind of. And it will escalate into something shitty I'm sure of it. :c I don't think we should stop posting here, I just think maybe somewhere private would be good for more intense venting where no one has to worry about how polite they come across. It's up to you guys though since I have no idea how any of this shit works. Yeah let's just vent here until we are told to shut up lmao. But if anyone feels like sharing their woes with me, my PMs are open!
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Mar 20, 2017 18:33:06 GMT
Oh my gosh. This--
I'm so sorry, guys. I am so sorry. I feel for you.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 18:33:10 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps. Is it a betrayal if I still buy the game? You don't need to ask for absolution. You'll probably like the game. You do you.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 20, 2017 18:33:18 GMT
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Post by lukensen87 on Mar 20, 2017 18:33:30 GMT
I must say I am dissapointed, just like most of people here. Never expected such decision on making Jaal straight and Vetra bi, that's just... not fair I guess and it doesn't make sense. Still, it doesn't mean that game is wotrhtless, there are diffrent aspects of the ME, but I am afraid that for now MEA sounds like average game at most. I'm sorry for everyone hoping for diffrent outcome. Would it have been more fair if Vetra was straight? Uhm.. yes? You would still have PeeBee, Suvi, Reyes and that asari fling + all straight options Seriously, I don't wish anyone something like this, so no I'm glad that girls have more options.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 18:34:01 GMT
Would it have been more fair if Vetra was straight? Why would it make anything better to take something from someone else? It would have been more "fair" if Jaal was bi would be a more constructive way of thinking about things, no? That's my point exactly.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 18:34:06 GMT
I loved him, I still follow him on twitter and his blog on tumblr was one of my favorite before he deleted it, had a ton of interesting insight on game writing and developing. Does Gaider still work at Bioware? Or has he left? He works at Beamdog now.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 18:34:24 GMT
No and like. I fucking knew it was too good to be true. I knew it. Yet I thought that this time, it would be different, somehow. Something would go right, for once. A bisexual male alien squadmate! The perfect opportunity for BW to redeem themselves. God. Fuck me for believing Jaal could ever be anything but straight. I always felt that Jaal would be bi. Now I can't even trust my own intuition anymore, ffs. I begin to doubt myself, and who knows where it will lead me? All this just because they made Jaal straight. I need a therapist after this. I thought he'd be bi too. The first time I saw him I thought it couldn't be more obvious - he looks like he was intentionally designed to be attractive to both male and female players, he's a completely new race and a squadmate. They had every reason to make him available to all players. And we've never had an alien m/m romance (and I thought we would, after Thane) and if Jaal wasn't bi that would mean there wouldn't be a m/m squad romance... Everything about him just screamed bisexual. Guess I was wrong. Send the bills to Bioware. Maybe then they'll understand how much fucking impact their games actually have on people's lives... Ugh. For fuck's sake. I'm so done with this game.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 20, 2017 18:34:45 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps. About Reddit I can say that developers do read it. I know Eric Musco from SWTOR follows SWTOR sub-Reddit and sometimes even comments there. Reddit is easy place for them to check what is happening. That's SWTOR team tho. Can you even name Mass Effect community manager lol?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 18:34:47 GMT
I'm eating a pint of ice cream and no one can stop me. *shares in a futile attempt to stop the pain * mmm now I want some americone dream.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 18:35:02 GMT
I say don't go off to some private chat. This is where we know devs have been known to look over, the BSN, not Reddit or some board. If you retreat than it just silences your complaints. We got fucked, they won't even tell us. I don't care about being super nice and making them comfortable anymore. Let them know we're not going to just keep buying their games for any scraps. Is it a betrayal if I still buy the game? I understand there aren't many games available for lesbian gamers and I don't hold any ill will towards you at all if you enjoy the options you got. I'm happy they did at least make a lot of the extra female LIs bisexual. It's better than DA:I making twice as many options for straight women and still not throwing anything else our way, as much as everyone praises DA, imo.
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Post by lyriumghost on Mar 20, 2017 18:35:05 GMT
I'm eating a pint of ice cream and no one can stop me. *shares in a futile attempt to stop the pain * Is it too early to drink?
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