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Post by frebu on Mar 20, 2017 18:46:44 GMT
Because Bioware seems to believe that male homosexuality is a human only defect is the message I get. Especially when they went out of their way to keep romances under wraps and it makes me wonder if this is the reason Gaider left the company to work with Beamdog(a significant downgrade). Why would Gaider leave over the actions of a completely different team? It's not as though DA is lacking in nonhuman M/M romances. Four bi, one straight, and Sebastian barely counts. Gaider left the DA team to work on Bioware's new unannounced title, then left after a year. That is strange to put it mildly that a man working for the same company for 20 some odd years would leave his baby(and seeing as all the lore for DA comes from Gaider it was his baby) for a project he must have believed in would quit after a year of development to go to a company that add LGBT romances into the predecessor of the Dragon Age series. I just find it odd that we find out now that they have pushed M/M pairings off the main table and onto the kid table a year after one of the most prominent gay men in game development suddenly jumps ship along with quite a few other prominent Bioware team members.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 18:46:48 GMT
Maybe we should all start asking all bisexual LI's back. It clearly was mistake from playerbase to complain about that. Bioware has fucked up numbers all the time after that, it's like they can't count. 3 for m/f romance in squad, 2 for f/m, 2 for f/f, 0 for m/m.. yup all equal and fair It's flunking hard. Like, I get both sides. But this is painful to watch, and it's not fair. Maybe only the ME team, since they seem to struggle so much with numbers. Either DA2 approach or DA:I approach is better than this "has to make sense" bullshit approach they used with ME:A.
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Post by ariatloak on Mar 20, 2017 18:46:50 GMT
Idk if anyone's suggested this but my presumption for why there's such conflicting info re: Jaal in the code/multiple reviewers is that unlike Cora, Liam etc, he never explicitly says to Scott 'not interested because you're a man.' I imagine the devs felt that was too pedestrian and mundane for what is clearly their biggest attempt at a truly Alien squadmate. I imagine the flirt options for Scott either do not exist, or they exist but following them just doesn't lead anywhere and you have to take a hint.
Truly frustrating. No intended gay squadmate romances if we know that Vetra was added in later (and asari f/f really doesn't signify as much since they've written themselves into a corner w asari basically being automatically female), the two gay NPCs were clearly added just to placate gay ppl if there are no straight Tempest romances, and both lack sex and are underwritten compared to squadmates and DAI advisors. No m/m squad romance, a step back from 5 years previously. It's clear this MEA team really has no idea what actual devoted allyship looks like, unlike DAI, and doesn't benefit from an openly gay dev as they did either.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 18:46:59 GMT
I was saying it all along. DA2 had it right and I loved how it was done there. I'll happily run with this. So, who here would have been happy with Cora, Liam, Peebee and Jaal as all bi options? Do you even need to ask? I've been saying it since I registered - all teammates should be bi. I wonder if people are loud enough they'd change it with a patch. We know audio is there, so could be the content. Especially if all they do is "copy-paste" Sara or Scott into the scenes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2017 18:47:30 GMT
And it looks like the nonsexual romances are relegated to the gay/lesbian LI, yes? Flunking wonderful. I love my orientation being used to get out of animating s/s scenes. Not really. It seems that some of the squadmates have it where sex is optional. For example Cora. Gil also seems to have it optional, and Suvi seems the most likely candidate aboard the Tempest for the full nonsxual/ambiguous romance like Josephine in DAI. There is also Avela who is an off-ship romance that seems to be nonsexual, since it culminates in a kiss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:47:35 GMT
The only way to redeem themselves a little tiny bit (in case that guide is accurate) would be a DLC with a new male gay alien companion... But what are the chances lol....
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Post by lukensen87 on Mar 20, 2017 18:47:39 GMT
The thing is that I don't have a reason to play this game anymore, I mean from what I've seen it's kinda boring, BUT I was hoping that when I will flirt/romance with my LI and take him with me on missions and to explore the worlds it would be slightly less boring and I would have a reason to keep going and develop my relationship with him.. Now it's all gone, plus game average score of 75% are... well they suck, even DA2 had about 82% average scores... The lowest rated BW game to date?
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 18:48:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:48:56 GMT
also, if jaal is straight, i'd like to have some polite words with bioware about what was found in the data-mining. did they make him bi, and then change their minds and decided that he's straight? because that's FUCKED UP (if that's the case). I'm 100% sure that's the case. Someone wanted it gone, so it was made gone. Period.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 18:48:58 GMT
I'm gonna make some tacos because that nausea I had from anxiety has just turned into bitterness, saltiness, rage and jealousy. That doesn't stop me from eating good food tho! Pretend those tacos are the hearts of your enemies. I'm going to pretend that this is giant vore snuff pr0n and I'm eating little Jaals over and over and he just melts because of my stomach fluids. Awesome.
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:07 GMT
I'm curious about the code right now. Very strange.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:10 GMT
The only way to redeem themselves a little tiny bit (in case that guide is accurate) would be a DLC with a new male gay alien companion... But what are the chances lol.... negative 7%
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Post by darkrogue on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:18 GMT
I was saying it all along. DA2 had it right and I loved how it was done there. I'll happily run with this. So, who here would have been happy with Cora, Liam, Peebee and Jaal as all bi options? This would have been ideal. The crewmember romances were a freaking cop-out from the beginning and should have never been repeated. Talk about deepening the divide between equality. Here's your throwaway bone. It's gay, has less content, bland NPC faces. What more do you want? We're progressive, haven't you heard?
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:21 GMT
I was saying it all along. DA2 had it right and I loved how it was done there. I'll happily run with this. So, who here would have been happy with Cora, Liam, Peebee and Jaal as all bi options? In that scenario I'd prefer Vetra over Peebee, but that doesn't sound bad to me. At least everyone would have 2 squad romances, and as a bonus it's 1 human 1 alien for all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:34 GMT
Ladyinsanity confirms that Jaal is not bi Ashe ladyinsanity@savetheking96 I feel for you, but honestly I'm extremely jealous cause Gil is amazing. Please don't cut him out cause he's not a squadmate.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:42 GMT
The thing is that I don't have a reason to play this game anymore, I mean from what I've seen it's kinda boring, BUT I was hoping that when I will flirt/romance with my li and take him with me on missions and to explore the worlds it would be slightly less boring and I would have a reason to keep going and develop my relationship with him.. Now it's all gone, plus game average score of 75% are... well they suck, even DA2 had about 82% average scores... The lowest rated BW game to date? Yep. Like really this game is gonna be on a fire sale very soon. Anyone who's paying full price is a sucker. (I'm kind of pissed I can't get a refund. Wtf).
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:50 GMT
So, do we need some rage channeling? Let's see if this provides that.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:52 GMT
About Reddit I can say that developers do read it. I know Eric Musco from SWTOR follows SWTOR sub-Reddit and sometimes even comments there. Reddit is easy place for them to check what is happening. A lot of people on the ME subreddit complain because no one ever talks to them there. I actually remember one person saying that it seemed like they talk to us over here more. As frustrating as it is, I think twitter is where they engage most. The odd dev wanders into a gaf thread or reddit thread or here once in a while, but they're not a regular presence. That might change a bit once the game is launched everywhere. The problem with twitter is there's little room to have a nuanced discussion and it's difficult to say anything that doesn't come across as blunt force. And there's the problem that you're lost in a sea of thousands of other people tweeting at them too.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 18:49:55 GMT
I have always liked her and she seems like a good person, but that's coming from a person who's been courted and beloved by BioWare for years now. It grates against my nerves. No, you're not going to be able to bring yourself to criticize a company that invites you to their headquarters, sends you merch, and lets you play the games early.
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Post by theladyheart on Mar 20, 2017 18:50:00 GMT
...
Is it silly of me to hope that the Prima guide is wrong like it was with Kaidan?
Probably.
Sigh. I'm happy for my fellow wlw about Vetra but god. :/ I'm so angry at Bioware. They never learn their lesson, ever.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 18:50:16 GMT
Ah yes. Forgot about that. Gil and his entire 8 minutes of romance content. Thanks, Bioware.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 18:50:33 GMT
The only way to redeem themselves a little tiny bit (in case that guide is accurate) would be a DLC with a new male gay alien companion... But what are the chances lol.... Even if there's a chance, it won't be worth the money. Javik was an exception since he was a Prothean.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:50:38 GMT
I will be so satisfied with myself when I buy it two years from now for 2 € from Instant Gaming. Maybe we will have modded romances then. And quick save. And they will have possibly patched the shitty animations too... Although they might need more than 2 years for that lmao That is, if they actually cared about their game and fanbase. Which, apparently, they don't. Animators on Reddit just commented to this and said that patching animations would be a monumental task and likely never happens. Textures and maybe models, yes, but not animations.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 18:50:38 GMT
The thing is that I don't have a reason to play this game anymore, I mean from what I've seen it's kinda boring, BUT I was hoping that when I will flirt/romance with my li and take him with me on missions and to explore the worlds it would be slightly less boring and I would have a reason to keep going and develop my relationship with him.. Now it's all gone, plus game average score of 75% are... well they suck, even DA2 had about 82% average scores... The lowest rated BW game to date? Yep. Like really this game is gonna be on a fire sale very soon. Anyone who's paying full price is a sucker. (I'm kind of pissed I can't get a refund. Wtf). Happy to be a sucker, in this case.
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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Mar 20, 2017 18:51:01 GMT
The people at Bioware must be having a serious conversation with PR right now because they haven't said a thing since the embargo lifted.
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