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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 19:27:30 GMT
Let's be honest here. Besides Bioware what other AAA company spends even this much time creating LGBT content? Seriously curious. To be entirely honest Bethesda is starting to take them over in that regard.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 20, 2017 19:27:50 GMT
I say, as long as it works, and works well, it shouldn't matter. When gay guys are the ones with the squad romances and straight guys are the ones with the non-squad romances, then I'll say it doesn't matter. All of this has to be seen in context. None of these things are discrete issues that stand alone on their own. They're all part of the bigger picture. When gay LIs (or bi men) are on the sidelines, without as much care and attention, over and over and over again - if they even exist in the first place - it matters. We aren't starting from a level playing field here. I have no doubt that when done right a non-squad romance can be a wonderful thing. But for it to be gay men who are the only players who don't have a choice in that regard is not a good look. Especially when we take into consideration the differences in that care and attention in comparison to squad mates like Cora, etc. I'm not trying to look for a fight, because there doesn't need to be one. It's just a simple recognition that not all things are created equal. No, not all things are created equal. But when I look at Ashley Williams' treatment in ME3 and compare it to Samantha Traynor's arc (underwear shower and all) Or I look and find I'm romancing Josephine far more than Cassandra It definitely tells me "squad's not everything"
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 20, 2017 19:28:04 GMT
I don't think Bioware has an anti-gay agenda and, as they said, they really did not confirm any romance options aside from Cora and PeeBee for Scott. They have also said multiple times that non-squadmate romances are going to be important and even the voice of Scott said his favorite romance is not with a squadmate. Personally, while I feel for those who wanted to romance Jaal, I'm happy with both Gil and Reyes and the possibility to woo both! Like, literally, give it a chance. We're basing off info from data mines. Play the freaking game and give Gil and/or Reyes a chance and just afterwards. **Starts to run away from things flying at him.** I'm not going to throw anything at you But having zero squad options for m/m players and a single option as part of the crew - with a CC face and a fade-to-black scene - plus a guy somewhere on a planet? That is an anti-gay agenda. It may not be a conscious decision (thought I suspect it is). If you're making a video game, and you know romances are extremely popular. Do you accidentally make none of the six squadmates a bi or gay man? Maybe. So, did no one catch that? Did no other writers, producers, editors, animators, testers say, "Ah, just wanted to point out, you've got everyone covered except gay men? Oh, and um, we're kind of known as a progressive LGBT-supporting company so this might not look good." Nah. I accept the premise but I think you're reaching a bit in the conclusion. I dunno. I think the fight for gender equality has bigger fish to fry that I don't want to read into every little thing of a video game that I have yet to experience. Personally, I will play the game, romance both Gil and Reyes, and, maybe if both arcs suck, I'll agree with you that gay romances have been shafted. I just think the reaction is a bit premature. That's all.
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Post by pupsofwar on Mar 20, 2017 19:28:09 GMT
Let's be honest here. Besides Bioware what other AAA company spends even this much time creating LGBT content? Seriously curious. It's a hard comparison to make, since few other studios have a companion system or optional romances like Bioware does. Most games have a set persona and orientation for the protagonist. So the closest you usually get in mainstream publishing is a game with a set protagonist (straight male about 70% of the time, straight female about 29% of the time, anything else maybe 1% of the time) with a supporting character who is LGBT. The Last of Us would be a good example here.
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 19:29:01 GMT
Two hours later: Message: RECEIVED Pre-order: CANCELLED Guide: NOPE Mass Effect Andromeda: Nexus Uprising: #OVERIT Artbook: BYE Money from returns spent on getting The Technomancer, because hey, as shitty as that game is at least it's M/M romance is on equal footing with the straight ones. Overall mood: media.tenor.co/images/ab7f21d2c978d7a2c62c66ce24036640/tenor.gifAlso a new episode of UNHhhh was released today, so maybe that'll cheer my fellows gays up: Overall, I'm feeling very good about myself and at peace with this breakup. Bye Mass Effect. Don't call up my ass again until you get your shit together. Who's the dude in that gif/where's it from? He's cute. Miss thing I'm revoking your gay card right now if you don't know who Joanne the Scammer is.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 19:29:26 GMT
When gay guys are the ones with the squad romances and straight guys are the ones with the non-squad romances, then I'll say it doesn't matter. All of this has to be seen in context. None of these things are discrete issues that stand alone on their own. They're all part of the bigger picture. When gay LIs (or bi men) are on the sidelines, without as much care and attention, over and over and over again - if they even exist in the first place - it matters. We aren't starting from a level playing field here. I have no doubt that when done right a non-squad romance can be a wonderful thing. But for it to be gay men who are the only players who don't have a choice in that regard is not a good look. Especially when we take into consideration the differences in that care and attention in comparison to squad mates like Cora, etc. I'm not trying to look for a fight, because there doesn't need to be one. It's just a simple recognition that not all things are created equal. No, not all things are created equal. But when I look at Ashley Williams' treatment in ME3 and compare it to Samantha Traynor's arc (underwear shower and all) Or I look and find I'm romancing Josephine far more than Cassandra It definitely tells me "squad's not everything" Isn't it nice to have... you know... choices, though?
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 19:29:32 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Why do you presume all of those people are posting in this thread?
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:01 GMT
There was a video claiming to be his entire romance that was very sparse. Unless it's missing like 2/3rds, it's not very impressive, imo. Was it all scenes, conversations, etc in the game? Or just the final romance scene? It was multiple scenes. I saw some leaked dialogue to suggest maybe there's one more scene around somewhere and that's it. Dana had dialogue up for Gil with pieces, but only really pieces from what seems like one missing part. Although, that could also be over the com link or something. It was 8min and Cora's was like 30min.. so..
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:13 GMT
Don't put all your eggs in one basket. I'd like to be hopeful but there's nothing to indicate CDPR will even include romances, much less LGBT romances. Witcher 3 was practically a straight man's harem. +1 This. All Witcher games are aggressively made by and for straight men. If they include an LI for a female PC that is anything but "sleep with him" to resolve a quest like in the good old Arcanum it would be a progressive move. Those are the kind of developers that work for white males aged 12 to 60+ only. FFS, how many times do it need to be repeated THE WITCHER GAMES ARE BASED ON THE BOOKS AND IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THE STORY GERALT HAD IN THAT PARTICULAR SAGA. They COULDN'T change it. Besides, Ciri was les and she was one of the main characters in the saga and TW3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:17 GMT
Let's be honest here. Besides Bioware what other AAA company spends even this much time creating LGBT content? Seriously curious. I won't say the whole studio, but Dishonored 2 had some good LGBT representation, but no romances. The arguable protagonist, Emily, has an off screen love interest whose gender isn't specified, cause the devs want players to pick or headcanon their own sexuality or orientation for Emily. But there are stuff in the books and games as well to code Emily as a lesbian, which is what I personally headcanon Meaghan Foster, a badass, great voice acted woman of colour who has a prominent role in the game as an ally to the protagonist is bisexual. The antagonist, Delilah is also bisexual, and one of her followers, Breanna, is a lesbian. And there is a character who we can also recruit as an ally who is gay and whose lover was the Duke of the city the game is set in. This post also comes with an obligatory recomendation to play Dishonored 2, cause its a brilliant, brilliant game.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:45 GMT
Gay male scotts are unable to get one of the achievements. This is unacceptable. Sounds like a good question to calmly ask on EA Answers. This would be just as important a fix as a 'save game patch' surely... There must surely be a way to get the Achievement, so it would be good to know what the official answer is.
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Post by aionis on Mar 20, 2017 19:30:49 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. this is completely out of line and people should really get a grip. this is not how you get the content you desire, harassment is never a good thing and should never be an OPTION.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 20, 2017 19:31:16 GMT
No, not all things are created equal. But when I look at Ashley Williams' treatment in ME3 and compare it to Samantha Traynor's arc (underwear shower and all) Or I look and find I'm romancing Josephine far more than Cassandra It definitely tells me "squad's not everything" Isn't it nice to have... you know... choices, though? Yes it is. As long as I have at least two choices, I have nothing to complain about.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 19:31:16 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Can you please stop blaming an entire thread of people for what 1 or 2 people are doing?
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 19:31:29 GMT
Are you going to completely ignore the point about Ciri though? They could've just not put that in their game. Like at all. They chose to, I think that's something at least. And yeah as for Geralt, him being straight doesn't mean anything because he's not our character. If Cyberpunk 2077 has romance options (which I assume it will, although idk how the system would work) I'm pretty sure there would be LGBT romance options as well. I have faith in that company, they've always done good by their fans (and like I said, they seem like a decent bunch) Talk is cheap. Make an actual, fleshed-out romance, and then we'll talk. Well, yeah. We'll have to wait and see. However the reason I think there will be, is because I believe this is going to be a good RPG. CDPR is good at giving their players choice. If there is a romance system, which I think will be quite different than in the Witcher games (bc narrative reasons and already established story/characters etc.) sexual orientation will be part of the roleplaying. It's not that I trust them to be super LGBT friendly and include gay/bi romances, but it's that I trust them to make a good RPG (especially since they're working with Mike Pondsmith) and for that, players should be allowed to choose their sexuality. Having only straight romance options would be very restricting and would be against the purpose of the game, so. But yeah. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 19:31:51 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Maybe you could limit your own salt to the specific people actually doing shit you don't like? It's getting old with you flying off the handle at everyone over a few people. Calm down.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Mar 20, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
For fucks sake people better leave Ashe alone. She went through this with DAI. I am beyond disgusted now. It was ONE person attacking, and he stopped.
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Post by yusu on Mar 20, 2017 19:32:03 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. This generalizing attitude really does you no good, just saying.
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Post by theladyheart on Mar 20, 2017 19:33:10 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Not quite sure why you're blaming everyone in here for a person on Twitter. I've not seen anyone in here excuse going against Ashe like that. What do you want us to do about it exactly? Grab each other by our gay little hands and form a wall around them? We aren't responsible for what happens on Twitter and for you to 'blame' us like that just because you, for some reason, think people who are angry at not having Bi Jaal are all to blame for people attacking Ashe? I'm sorry but that's ridiculous and insulting.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 20, 2017 19:33:11 GMT
You get it wrong, probably because the media color Poland like that. They had a first trans politican in Europe if not in the world. They have a gay president of one of the popular cities. They have a couple of amazing lgbt actors and musicians who are popular and liked. Sapkowski made Ciri a lesbian, did you know that? Philippa was bisexual, but had a stronger connection with women. And CDPR used it. There was a side quest with a character who was gay and had a sad but such realistic backstory. So please, don't trust the media so much. That's better than anything The Elder Scrolls ever did. I'm not saying I'm expecting heaps of or any LGBT content in Cyberpunk 2077. I AM expecting it to be a 100% better game than Andromeda. And, you know, any game at this point can do better on the LGBT front than Andromeda IMO. Any game? I think not. It's certainly lacking in G content, I won't deny that, and I am sorry about that, but the state of the video game industry is such that Andromeda is still in the upper percentiles.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 19:33:25 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Please just try to have a little empathy. People are hurting. Real people.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 19:33:58 GMT
Geralt was a pre-established straight character. lol I am not asking they gave him a male love interest in the games. But LGBT existed in the world and games in a meaningful if unbalanced and little way, unlike Skyrim or Fallout where gays only exist if you marry someone of the same sex, but not one exists in the world, and arguably the same for ME as well save for Captain Gavorn and Steve. So yeah, even if there is no romance or gay love interest in Cyberpunk 2077, I still expect whatever they do put out, LGBT content or none, to be better than anything BioWare can pass out these days.better than anyone probably tbh (I'm sorry but TW3 was such a good game)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:34:12 GMT
Let's be honest here. Besides Bioware what other AAA company spends even this much time creating LGBT content? Seriously curious. To be entirely honest Bethesda is starting to take them over in that regard. the more companies engage into making RPG games with cool characters and wonderful stories, including the love-stories and customizable protagonists, the merrier! Bring it on! Seriously, the CD Porject tries to add romances beyond collecting sex cards, all power to them. But since they are starting it when BioWARE already had done so many, I would be appreciative if they went for player-sexual with dialogue adjustments. Because, honestly, why do we even need to explain who we are in RL and why we want a specific option on a play-through? Player-sexual means that developer dollars do not go to waste and we don't hold the protracted discussions as to who is entitled to which romance with what companion. We, just, you know... pick our PC's soulmate in a game.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 19:34:39 GMT
Who's the dude in that gif/where's it from? He's cute. Miss thing I'm revoking your gay card right now if you don't know who Joanne the Scammer is. Sorry, I'm awful at keeping up with gay culture lol
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