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Post by zaefkol on Mar 20, 2017 19:34:47 GMT
I'm usually a Bioware apologist on most issues, and I've preordered basically all of their games for close to two decades now; this is literally the first time that I've regretted that decision.
Even when I was disappointed with what I got (or didn't--ME1 and ME2), I was still happy with the games, and then when ME3 actually addressed m/m player concerns and added Kaidan and Steve as options, I was happy. It was progress.
And now this.
I don't really know what to add that others haven't said already, but I feel like this situation is going to color any other experience that I have with the game in a negative way.
I played the trial. I was impressed with how well the game ran on my nearly 5 year old computer that's floating just above the minimum system requirements. I was impressed with how much I enjoyed the gameplay. In fact, I was impressed with just about everything (except the CC, cause fuck that).
But now, no matter how impressed I am with the rest of the game, no matter how much I enjoy it, I will always have a voice in the back of my head telling me, "This game was not made for you. You will never get to experience it fully."
M/m romance options are limited to two people outside the squad (and one isn't even on the ship). Both seem to have significantly less content than other romance options. Both appear to have fade to black romance scenes. Both signify "lesser than" in big flashy letters.
Either the developers simply didn't notice the massive imbalance in the quality, quantity, and kind of content that they were giving m/m players when compared to every other orientation, or they deliberately designed this situation. Either m/m players are not worth considering during the design process, or m/m content is considered objectionable and needs to be censored and/or reduced.
Romance scenes that barely approach PG-13 in comparison to scenes that are firmly R rated. Less overall content. Less per romance content. No squadmates.
No future money from me without seeing significant changes first.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 20, 2017 19:35:11 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Please just try to have a little empathy. People are hurting. Real people. This is the funniest thing I've read all day.
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Post by lukensen87 on Mar 20, 2017 19:35:14 GMT
I don't know about it, there was even quest with male gay npc with dialogues and cinematics lol, also many male prostitutes in some cities, pity Geralt is straight, but I think it's a good sign.. Ooooh, prostitutes and a minor NPC who got exiled for liking the dick. What amazing queer content. Bioware may have shit the bed, but this isn't even like comparing apples to oranges. It's more like comparing raisins to rocks. I did not say it's better than BW!!! I hate when somebody speaks for myself lol, I just noted that compared to TW1 and TW2 it was progress, and maybe if Geralt was not made straight in books he would be bi in games.. Will see in Cyberpunk, but I don't have high hopes either.. But maybe we will have an option to choose gender this time, so that would mean more options for woman too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:35:44 GMT
Are our husbands related? yours looks hot tho All my men look hot "self-satisfied". They have to, because I hate how I look "openly dispises his body"
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Post by Fredward on Mar 20, 2017 19:36:19 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Can you please stop blaming an entire thread of people for what 1 or 2 people are doing? How else do you justify that level of self-righteousness?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:36:42 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. "You guys"Oh boy we're back to the "we saw one gay do something, clearly they all planned it and deserve this" thinking are we? Stay classy. I'll be taking a long break from this mess. See you all when DA4 comes out.
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 20, 2017 19:37:09 GMT
All right, a few thoughts since I calmed down while dealing with real life (not accounting for anything I missed since I left)
I'm still getting the game, for a few reasons.
1) It's not just about the romances.
2) I worry that if there is a boycott from gaymers it will be misinterpreted as people boycotting it over the "SJW pandering".
3) I want the game to sell well enough that we actually can get a sequel that fixes this mistake.
On another note, considering that Jaal and Vetra's coding is pretty much identical, I'm not yet convinced that the guide didn't get it wrong again.
All that said, Bioware does need to be aware that going backwards like this is unacceptable.
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Post by ash on Mar 20, 2017 19:37:39 GMT
Yup. Now I know why trial was locked. It follows with one of the best quests so far... and then everything goes to shit. I'm not even going to judge their plot, quests, or whatever, because this is subjective, but Havarl and all other places having exactly same wildlife Eos had?.. They haven't even tried. Filed for a refund. I guess have fun, guys.
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 20, 2017 19:38:23 GMT
It's a company from an intensely homophobic nation. I'm not even positive how legal games with "explicit" gay content are in Poland. You get it wrong, probably because the media color Poland like that. They had a first trans politican in Europe if not in the world. They have a gay president of one of the popular cities. They have a couple of amazing lgbt actors and musicians who are popular and liked. I, a gay guy living in Poland, am telling you that Poland is a very homophobic country. No need to blame the media. It's the truth. So to everyone - Polish devs can make their games as gay as they want. But they definitely don't want to. Anyone expecting DA level of LGBT content is going to be very disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:38:44 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. "You guys"Oh boy we're back to the "we saw one gay do something, clearly they all planned it and deserve this" thinking are we? Stay classy. I'll be taking a long break from this mess. See you all when DA4 comes out. We are obviously a hivemind.
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Post by theladyheart on Mar 20, 2017 19:39:19 GMT
Just to put it out there because for some reason one angry person who happens to be LGBT seems to speak for all of us:
I don't agree with harassing ANYONE for what happened with Jaal. It's something that we should make heard, obviously, by talking to the devs and asking them why they frankly, treat m/m relationships as something that needs to be hidden away and near disregarded completely in terms of equal relationships in the squad.
There. In case anyone got confused.
And for the record, I don't believe anyone in this thread agrees with attacking Ashe and people like Ashe. Because you know, it's called common sense.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Mar 20, 2017 19:39:21 GMT
I think this game must've had a nightmare dev cycle and they just had to get something out.
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Post by aionis on Mar 20, 2017 19:39:23 GMT
Please just try to have a little empathy. People are hurting. Real people. This is the funniest thing I've read all day. LOL it's an all around mess today
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 19:39:55 GMT
So this is how you guys handle it? twitter.com/ladyinsanity/with_repliesDisgusting. I am really done with this thread now and I am off to enjoy the game, like a gamer should. Enjoy your salt. Please just try to have a little empathy. People are hurting. Real people. its a fucking video game, harassing LP's, devs, VA's, and the like over this is wrong
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Mar 20, 2017 19:40:15 GMT
It's a company from an intensely homophobic nation. I'm not even positive how legal games with "explicit" gay content are in Poland. You get it wrong, probably because the media color Poland like that. They had a first trans politican in Europe if not in the world. They have a gay president of one of the popular cities. They have a couple of amazing lgbt actors and musicians who are popular and liked. Sapkowski made Ciri a lesbian, did you know that? Philippa was bisexual, but had a stronger connection with women. And CDPR used it. There was a side quest with a character who was gay and had a sad but such realistic backstory. So please, don't trust the media so much. Ciri also showed plenty of attraction to men, Hotspot, even Eredin himself and you know Galahad so she is most likely bi honestly. just saying....
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 19:40:37 GMT
I don't think Bioware has an anti-gay agenda and, as they said, they really did not confirm any romance options aside from Cora and PeeBee for Scott. They have also said multiple times that non-squadmate romances are going to be important and even the voice of Scott said his favorite romance is not with a squadmate. Personally, while I feel for those who wanted to romance Jaal, I'm happy with both Gil and Reyes and the possibility to woo both! Like, literally, give it a chance. We're basing off info from data mines. Play the freaking game and give Gil and/or Reyes a chance and just afterwards. **Starts to run away from things flying at him.** I'm not going to throw anything at you But having zero squad options for m/m players and a single option as part of the crew - with a CC face and a fade-to-black scene - plus a guy somewhere on a planet? That is an anti-gay agenda. It may not be a conscious decision (thought I suspect it is). If you're making a video game, and you know romances are extremely popular. Do you accidentally make none of the six squadmates a bi or gay man? Maybe. So, did no one catch that? Did no other writers, producers, editors, animators, testers say, "Ah, just wanted to point out, you've got everyone covered except gay men? Oh, and um, we're kind of known as a progressive LGBT-supporting company so this might not look good." Nah. I wouldn't go as far as calling that an anti-gay agenda. Ignorant, sure. Shitty, definitely. And unfair, yes. But if BW really had an anti-gay agenda they wouldn't have any gay content in their games. This just shows they don't really care all that much, which is shitty, but it doesn't mean they're actively trying to be anti-gay. If anything, it shows they're trying to be LGBT friendly and failing spectacularly.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 19:40:43 GMT
Please just try to have a little empathy. People are hurting. Real people. its a fucking video game, harassing LP's, devs, VA's, and the like over this is wrong Of course it is? But that doesn't mean you need to blame a whole thread or the whole LGBT community over the actions of one or two, like come on dude.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:40:57 GMT
Seriously... Dishonored 2 is a good game to check out for positive and meaningful LGBT inclusion.
Same for The Last of Us really. Ellie rocks.
I'm so salty cause I can't even get a refund for ANY of the merch I preordered, same for the game. So I am stuck with a game that I don't even feel like playing.
Seriously gunna consider going into debt getting either DAO or TW3... cannot play Andromeda with its overall poor quality and lack of m/m content in comparison to the rest.
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Post by Joey on Mar 20, 2017 19:41:22 GMT
I'll still be around, too many cool people in these forums to just leave, I'll just be the guy who doesn't play the game. Ha!If they make some amends I might even decide to buy the game again. I'll definetly not pre-order anything from them again. I'm curious how and if the 4th game in the Dragon Age series will follow this direction the company seems to be taking. Or will they go back to being the old Bioware I seem to be remembering. Time will tell I suppose. Especially if this type of marketing strategy is now the law of the land. Cheers! Haha, same here! Community here (to some extent) is just way too awesome. I'll be here and I'll wait with others for DA4. Damn, because of this whole ME:A fiasco I just tweeted Weekes how I adore Dragon Age team. I think I'm gonna play DA:I and romance Iron Bull for the first time.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 19:41:23 GMT
You get it wrong, probably because the media color Poland like that. They had a first trans politican in Europe if not in the world. They have a gay president of one of the popular cities. They have a couple of amazing lgbt actors and musicians who are popular and liked. Sapkowski made Ciri a lesbian, did you know that? Philippa was bisexual, but had a stronger connection with women. And CDPR used it. There was a side quest with a character who was gay and had a sad but such realistic backstory. So please, don't trust the media so much. Ciri also showed plenty of attraction to men, Hotspot, even Eredin himself and you know Galahad so she is most likely bi honestly. just saying.... Yep, she's canonically bi in the books.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 19:41:24 GMT
Yup. Now I know why trial was locked. It follows with one of the best quests so far... and then everything goes to shit. I'm not even going to judge their plot, quests, or whatever, because this is subjective, but Havarl and all other places having exactly same wildlife Eos had?.. They haven't even tried. Filed for a refund. I guess have fun, guys. Wow it's the same wildlife? That's pathetic. Least you can get a refund I tried but nope.
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Post by theladyheart on Mar 20, 2017 19:41:52 GMT
If we join our gay hands together we can achieve anything, fyi.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 19:42:20 GMT
"You guys"Oh boy we're back to the "we saw one gay do something, clearly they all planned it and deserve this" thinking are we? Stay classy. I'll be taking a long break from this mess. See you all when DA4 comes out. We are obviously a hivemind. Who is the queen then
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 20, 2017 19:43:10 GMT
FFS, how many times do it need to be repeated THE WITCHER GAMES ARE BASED ON THE BOOKS AND IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THE STORY GERALT HAD IN THAT PARTICULAR SAGA. They COULDN'T change it. Besides, Ciri was les and she was one of the main characters in the saga and TW3. Because gaming crowd is known for complaining about HAWT lesbian stuff right lol? C'mon, you know we're talking male-male content and having lesbian content/characters/action proves little to none about the developers or the audience. You know it, I know it, CDP devs know it and we all know that's why the chances male-male romances will happen in Cyberpunk are slim to none
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 19:43:37 GMT
I wonder on another note though, how the devs expect good feedback from us when they're spending 80% of their time talkin to fans via twitter, where you can barely post 3 sentences in a tweet. I really doubt they're on Reddit on a regular basis, even though some people seem to believe that.
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