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Post by miso9 on Mar 20, 2017 20:37:23 GMT
That's actually untrue, at least when it comes to American TV shows. Currently, both bi/gay men and bi/gay women make about 2% of all characters on television, but men make 3% of all TV deaths. Women - whole 10% of all deaths.
Source: www.vox.com/a/tv-deaths-lgbt-diversityWhat's interesting is that among that 10% of bi/gay dead female characters the majority were specifically lesbians since the story usually looks like that -- the lesbian is a minor recurring character while bisexual woman is a regular who was initially de facto straight but at one point showrunners decide to give her some female fling - aforementioned lesbian guest character. Then the fling dies, bisexual woman comes back to male lead and showrunners are congratulating themselves how progressive they are. One example is on my avatar.This was... the ugliest thing I've seen in my life. Seriously. No one can beat Jason Rothenberg when it comes to trating LGBT like trash. Compared to him BW is all honey. I think it's pointless to argue who's worse. You could say that JR treated lesbian fans shamelessly* while using gay men to deflect criticism, while with this game BW treated gay male fans shamelessly, using lesbians to deflect criticism. But one thing I know for sure, Bioware would never give us Lexa. And if they did, they would make her a straight woman. EDIT: just noticed I wrote "shamefully" instead of "shamelessly". Apologize for my English, it's not my first language.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 20:38:18 GMT
if we have no confirmation that a flirt option for scott even exists does that mean there's no gender flag in the code because there's just nothing to flag? so in theory jaal wouldn't not respond to scott, but scott's lines just don't exist so the issue never arises? that implies he was bi at some point then cut - perhaps in a swap for making Vetra bi. feels even worse if so But there IS a gender flag for Jaal. What do you think is going on there, then? Because it seems to make no sense. Something somewhere doesn't trigger the ability for the game to recognise all those flags you and ashes found. Is it just that the code is more complex than originally thought?
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 20:39:11 GMT
Ah no worries mot of us will be here for DA4. Hopefully they don't mess it up. I need to crack some eggs. I have infinitely more faith in Patrick Weekes and Mike Laidlaw than the people who worked on Andromeda, I will say that. I used to say that Mass Effect felt like home. And despite all the shit, the OT still sort of does. But every day I'm feeling more at home in DA.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 20:39:15 GMT
I won't forget the fabulous people I've met here. Love you all. But yeahhh... don't expect me to be around on here. Unless I get in to Dragon Age... then expect me taking refuge there. And I'm joining gaycaravaggio and Davrin's boobs DA4 all the gay, and werewolf LI yas k? BI. hey you have to show up in the DA subforum to see how it goes your stay in Thedas
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Post by turianlannister on Mar 20, 2017 20:39:36 GMT
On a side note, I've found 4th asari (out of 5 I talked to) using Lexi's face and 3 cloned humans. Makes me wonder what they were doing for 5 years. The human in the Hyperion's cryo bay when you go to check up on your twin who gives you the locket mission looks like they might have reused Jacob's face, sorta reminds me of some screenshots of Jacob albeit more low-res The last preset looks like a low rent version of Ashley in ME3, hair and eyes are similar except for the eyes also looking like she's been burning the candle at both ends
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 20:40:36 GMT
I just don't understand - what were they thinking? What did they expect? Who thought making Jaal straight was a good idea? important questions
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 20:41:32 GMT
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Post by conanzms on Mar 20, 2017 20:41:34 GMT
Everyone is talking about leaving and splitting up. I only just got here. I will still be here to see what excuse made of bullshit the devs plan to give us, so dont worry little gay hands! :3 Damn straight we'll stay, I grew up with salts Can't wait to hear BW's spin on this, maybe quoting TVTropes.org again. Sorry to the folks that this might sound like my fun is built on your pain, but the entertainment value is way too high to pass.
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Post by ariatloak on Mar 20, 2017 20:42:32 GMT
if we have no confirmation that a flirt option for scott even exists does that mean there's no gender flag in the code because there's just nothing to flag? so in theory jaal wouldn't not respond to scott, but scott's lines just don't exist so the issue never arises? that implies he was bi at some point then cut - perhaps in a swap for making Vetra bi. feels even worse if so But there IS a gender flag for Jaal. Right, but the flag says both genders are acceptable correct? It's unlike Liam/Cora etc which provide a different path depending on Ryder's gender. Sorry I should have been clearer, by 'no gender flag' i meant 'no specific romance initiates flag tied to gender.'
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 20:42:46 GMT
I'm setting camp in the KISA thread, but that gay discord might be a good idea. Will the mods lash out on us if we set camp in the KISA thread and don't.. ALWAYS... talk about KISAs, though ;; They seem pretty chill with anything except personal attacks and three straight pages of weird dick stuff, so I think they'd probably be chill. Plus, I think they feel bad for us, since we're losers that keep getting shot down by all the imaginary boys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 20:43:00 GMT
haha yeah I might play as Sara and cheat on Jaal with Vetra or Suvi and then figure out a way to airlock him or just build a death star and nuke Aya www.reactiongifs.com/r/eevl.gif
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 20:43:08 GMT
I just don't understand - what were they thinking? What did they expect? Who thought making Jaal straight was a good idea? important questions The more I think about this the more I realize this must have been a conscious decision to cut M/M content. It's horrible to say this, but one of our "allies" in BioWare or EA almost certainly said "get rid of bi Jaal because it will make straight male players feel uncomfortable". We need to face that. We know the code shows clear indications of Jaal as bi at some point in development. We know Tom Taylorson recorded for the Jaal romance based on placeholder files. Jaal was bi at some point in development, and that was deliberately cut. BioWare will make a bunch of stupid excuses as to why, but I think all we really know why it was cut.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 20:43:40 GMT
I just don't understand - what were they thinking? What did they expect? Who thought making Jaal straight was a good idea? important questions What it saddens me more is that bi Kaidan writer IS Jaal writer, I feel so betrayed.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 20:44:43 GMT
Well that IGN article has finally updated Liam as being straight. I have no idea what took them so long. You know, considering he explicitly tells you he doesn't like guys within the first couple of hours of the game.
But they still have that symbol next to Jaal.
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 20, 2017 20:45:02 GMT
Everyone is talking about leaving and splitting up. I only just got here. I mostly pop in here, post something, reply to a few people, get overwhelmed with the fact that there seem to appear 5 new pages every second, and go back to lurking. Also, come to the KISA thread. That's where all of the cool gay kids are
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 20:45:45 GMT
I just don't understand - what were they thinking? What did they expect? Who thought making Jaal straight was a good idea? important questions What it saddens me more is that bi Kaidan writer IS Jaal writer, I feel so betrayed. Yeah, I guess she has to do what they say, but it sucks there's nobody like Sheryl Chee to stand up for us.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 20:45:53 GMT
I just don't understand - what were they thinking? What did they expect? Who thought making Jaal straight was a good idea? important questions The more I think about this the more I realize this must have been a conscious decision to cut M/M content. It's horrible to say this, but one of our "allies" in BioWare or EA almost certainly said "get rid of bi Jaal because it will make straight male players feel uncomfortable". We need to face that. Yes. The leak that came from was 100% correct on everything else they said, iirc. There's no reason to believe they'd be wrong about that one thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 20:46:07 GMT
I won't forget the fabulous people I've met here. Love you all. But yeahhh... don't expect me to be around on here. Unless I get in to Dragon Age... then expect me taking refuge there. And I'm joining gaycaravaggio and Davrin's boobs DA4 all the gay, and werewolf LI yas k? BI. hey you have to show up in the DA subforum to see how it goes your stay in Thedas Fook yes. I ain't abandoning the Milky Way, and Shep, Kaidan, Liara, Garrus, Tali, EDI, the overall greatness of the original trilogy. But screw going to Andromeda. I be hopping in my time machine back to a time where LGBT were more inclusive LOL Still think it crazy that medieval fantasy more LGBT friendly than sci-fi
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 20, 2017 20:46:25 GMT
Do you have source for this? I need it for academic purpose. Here you go!
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 20:46:44 GMT
Will the mods lash out on us if we set camp in the KISA thread and don't.. ALWAYS... talk about KISAs, though ;; They seem pretty chill with anything except personal attacks and three straight pages of weird dick stuff, so I think they'd probably be chill. Plus, I think they feel bad for us, since we're losers that keep getting shot down by all the imaginary boys. Yesss, I think I'll camp there after this shit is done with. Can't WAIT to see how BW is going to comment on it, or if they're going to comment at all haha!
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 20:46:57 GMT
I just don't understand - what were they thinking? What did they expect? Who thought making Jaal straight was a good idea? important questions The more I think about this the more I realize this must have been a conscious decision to cut M/M content. It's horrible to say this, but one of our "allies" in BioWare or EA almost certainly said "get rid of bi Jaal because it will make straight male players feel uncomfortable". We need to face that. But what about Kaidan? I just... It had to be deliberate. But like, who the fuck cares? So what if it makes some dudebros uncomfortable? Are they so scared of backlash that they're willing to fuck gay players over? After everything? And don't they realize they're going to get pretty much the same amount of backlash from the LGBT community for this? I mean what the fuck
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Post by GordianKnot on Mar 20, 2017 20:47:12 GMT
Well this thread went to hell in a hurry. Even though the trial got me stoked for Andromeda, I'm somewhat considering waiting until it's in the bargain bin (should be a year tops from the sound of things). Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that people found Scott/Jaal romance lines in the files, but it turns out that those files aren't part of the game and Jaal is in fact gender locked for Sara only? That's a shit move by Bioware/EA, and doesn't fit with their earlier "explanation" of "it has to 'make sense.'" If it didn't "make sense," why would those files even be there to begin with?
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 20:47:15 GMT
I have still this little fire of hope that maybe maybe every reviewer, leaker and guidemaker just got earlier version of the game where bi Jaal wasn't patched in. Since there is still code going against all this. But I have to say that that that flame is getting reeally small.
In terms of camping.. I guess I'll camp some bit here, I'm quite used to this thread. Camped bit on Jaal thread too, but doesn't seem right now. Maybe I'll get ME:A eventually who knows, but really low hype right now. Besides I do have Witcher 3, DAI, No Man Sky, ME2, ME3 middle of playthroughs so I got other games that seem to have better content. Even No Man Sky lol.
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 20, 2017 20:48:05 GMT
I'm setting camp in the KISA thread, but that gay discord might be a good idea. Will the mods lash out on us if we set camp in the KISA thread and don't.. ALWAYS... talk about KISAs, though ;; Hope not. Judging by the previous thread, we will get off topic at some point .
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Post by turianlannister on Mar 20, 2017 20:48:10 GMT
It'd probably be a good idea to also tweet the main devs and say you're cancelling your pre-order due to straight Jaal and no gaylien romance.
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