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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 21:01:29 GMT
Seriously, who comes up with this shit? Tweet it to the devs, they need to acknowledge this at some point pwease I don't have a twitter account, but I encourage anyone to make it known that such a trophy is ridiculous.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 21:02:41 GMT
Here's to the premature salts to the DA4 datamining, cuz god knows what kind of non-existent romance we are gonna dig up next time ROFL First Cullen, and now Jaal. They're right about opening the Pandora's Box. lol
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 20, 2017 21:02:55 GMT
Well this thread went to hell in a hurry. Even though the trial got me stoked for Andromeda, I'm somewhat considering waiting until it's in the bargain bin (should be a year tops from the sound of things). Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that people found Scott/Jaal romance lines in the files, but it turns out that those files aren't part of the game and Jaal is in fact gender locked for Sara only? That's a shit move by Bioware/EA, and doesn't fit with their earlier "explanation" of "it has to 'make sense.'" If it didn't "make sense," why would those files even be there to begin with? No it's actually weirder. Dataminers found that sound files for Scott/Jaal romance were missing- but there was weird coding that didn't transfer all lines so they could be read so that was thought as reason. However Jaal wasn't gender locked for Sara only, but for both and seemed to have romance scenes for both in the code. So the code would despite all this still indicate that Jaal is bi in the game unless it's misinterpreted. What would seem to be the likely explanation is that Jaal was actually originally intended as a bi-sexual romance and then as with what happened with Kaiden, the m/m portion was cut out for whatever reason. I suspect if they ever do comment on it BioWare will merely say it was cut due to time constraints, but people will believe what they want to about that. It's an unfortunate thing that can happen in datamining and why I usually add a disclaimer about it being datamined from game files. Sometimes when a developer cuts content from the game they simply remove the code that's calling it into the game and leave everything else that they've finished up to that point there, and then people datamining the files will stumble upon it and might think it's actual content that's supposed to be in the game.
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Post by palinopsia on Mar 20, 2017 21:03:05 GMT
I just don't understand - what were they thinking? What did they expect? Who thought making Jaal straight was a good idea? important questions Same question goes to Liam and Cora tho. So far only Kaidan in ME3 was an option for both and a human squadmate. I don't think anyone had any real hope for Liam and Cora. Besides, we've had that with Kaidan, so that's also why I didn't expect them to do something so great in this game aagain. In contrast there's never been a m/m alien romance, and Jaal was a completely new race at that. That's why I directed the question only at Jaal.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 21:03:38 GMT
hey you have to show up in the DA subforum to see how it goes your stay in Thedas Fook yes. I ain't abandoning the Milky Way, and Shep, Kaidan, Liara, Garrus, Tali, EDI, the overall greatness of the original trilogy. But screw going to Andromeda. I be hopping in my time machine back to a time where LGBT were more inclusive LOL Still think it crazy that medieval fantasy more LGBT friendly than sci-fi I feel for ya, really. I was in a similar place to you not long ago, but found a way to enjoy the game anyway. I played the demo and all I can say, despite all those failed romance options, all the steps BW took back, it's still going to be one of the best games they ever made because of the amount of content and varieties of psychological profiles to which other characters will response to. Also, graphics are looking nice and the plot seems to be hella interesting. I'd give it a shot if I were you. You can still find something satisfying.
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Post by epenthesis on Mar 20, 2017 21:04:24 GMT
I know it's a long shot, but considering what the dataminers found, I almost wonder if Jaal is a reverse Juhani* situation: there's a mistake somewhere making so that something that an event flag that is supposed to fire is not. But like I said. It's a long shot. *For those that don't know, Juhani was always intended to be a lesbian, but there was a programming mistake in early versions of KOTOR that caused the game to treat her as bisexual. The issue was eventually fixed in a patch. Scott's voice acting for the love scenes has also yet to be found, and "it doesn't exist" looks more and more probable as the reason why.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 20, 2017 21:05:48 GMT
Just heard about Jaal Huh? I thought Jaal was all but confirmed bi. What have I missed?
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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Mar 20, 2017 21:06:18 GMT
Oh I really wish they would try to claim time constraints is the reason his romance was cut considering they've been developing this for five fucking years.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 21:07:09 GMT
The more I think about this the more I realize this must have been a conscious decision to cut M/M content. It's horrible to say this, but one of our "allies" in BioWare or EA almost certainly said "get rid of bi Jaal because it will make straight male players feel uncomfortable". We need to face that. But what about Kaidan? I just... It had to be deliberate. But like, who the fuck cares? So what if it makes some dudebros uncomfortable? Are they so scared of backlash that they're willing to fuck gay players over? After everything? And don't they realize they're going to get pretty much the same amount of backlash from the LGBT community for this? I mean what the fuck I don't remember any backlash after bi-Kaidan happened or gay-Dorian... Dorian was actually loved to the point where even straight guys romanced him for all I know.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Mar 20, 2017 21:07:09 GMT
so is Reyes an actual romance or just a fling?
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 20, 2017 21:07:47 GMT
It's always seems to be the bi dudes who have their romance scrapped.
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Post by theladyheart on Mar 20, 2017 21:07:55 GMT
Here's to the premature salts to the DA4 datamining, cuz god knows what kind of non-existent romance we are gonna dig up next time ROFL I want a gay dragon LI. Do it or else Bioware.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 21:08:05 GMT
Oh I really wish they would try to claim time constraints is the reason his romance was cut considering they've been developing this for five fucking years. "We have no time to add Jaal as a bisexual, but here are 5 options for guys". Bioware's logic, exactly the same excuse as Star Wars the Old Republic.
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Post by frebu on Mar 20, 2017 21:08:10 GMT
I'll write a more in depth reaction post when I'm home and have access to a PC. For now: really Bioware? Really? I already know I'm an afterthought as far as the industry at large is concerned, but it especially stings to be reminded of it by a franchise I used to trust in thus respect. All I want is to role play an openly bi/gay guy going on space adventures, but my options for doing that are extremely limited. It's a damn shame nobody else is doing space opera RPGs with the same ambition as the original Mass Effect trilogy. ME3 is the first ME game with m/m romance. I think it is safe to say the people who lead the ME franchise are not m/m supporters and are honestly actively against M/M romance in the Mass Effect universe. The only reason we have it at all is because of the trail blazed by DA where ALL the games had a M/M love interest in the party, where as Mass Effect has tried to shove them into a dark corner(or allow you to kill them off 2 games ago). I had hoped that ME:A would break the cycle and start the new story on a positive note but it seems we are still relegated the the shadows because we are not acceptable to dudebro demographics(regardless that most dudebro's wouldn't give a shit)
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 21:08:13 GMT
Seriously, who comes up with this shit? Tweet it to the devs, they need to acknowledge this at some point pwease Fucking DONE
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 20, 2017 21:08:51 GMT
Whoa, over 60 new pages, you guys have been busy . Any news on the gay male LI front? Last I checked, Reyes was either gay or bi, Gil was gay and Jaal was either straight or bi. (Judging by some of the posts on the last two pages, I'm assuming Jaal has been confirmed to be straight? Or are we still not sure :/ ?)
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 21:10:07 GMT
We have time constraints and need to cut a romance, probably make it the guys that only had that one squad LI and some NPCs. fml lol
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Post by lauratsoni on Mar 20, 2017 21:10:25 GMT
thinking back over the past week... i honestly don't want to believe tom was queerbaiting us with his tweets (though it wouldn't be the first time someone i thought was cool disappointed me horribly). it's quite possible that he recorded lines for jaal romance and thought they'd be included. i really want to believe that. if not, ugh.
this is such a shit-storm, I'M STILL IN DISBELIEF.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 21:10:25 GMT
Tweet it to the devs, they need to acknowledge this at some point pwease Fucking DONE Nick I love you
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 21:10:29 GMT
No it's actually weirder. Dataminers found that sound files for Scott/Jaal romance were missing- but there was weird coding that didn't transfer all lines so they could be read so that was thought as reason. However Jaal wasn't gender locked for Sara only, but for both and seemed to have romance scenes for both in the code. So the code would despite all this still indicate that Jaal is bi in the game unless it's misinterpreted. What would seem to be the likely explanation is that Jaal was actually originally intended as a bi-sexual romance and then as with what happened with Kaiden, the m/m portion was cut out for whatever reason. I suspect if they ever do comment on it BioWare will merely say it was cut due to time constraints, but people will believe what they want to about that. It's an unfortunate thing that can happen in datamining and why I usually add a disclaimer about it being datamined from game files. Sometimes when a developer cuts content from the game they simply remove the code that's calling it into the game and leave everything else that they've finished up to that point there, and then people datamining the files will stumble upon it and might think it's actual content that's supposed to be in the game. That's makes sense, bit sadly though sigh. It's quite unnerving that they decided that only m/m squadromance would be something alright to cut though. I know a demographic that could have taken a cut no problem, would still probably been pretty happy. Now they kinda hit the folks with least stuff. Instead of raising taxes of the wealthy, they went and took stuff from the poor lol.
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Mar 20, 2017 21:11:31 GMT
[CLOUD WATCHES]Which do you guys think will happen first in ME: a male, openly gay LI squadmate, or an openly asexual LI of any kind?
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Post by zeowik on Mar 20, 2017 21:11:50 GMT
So the worst case is confirmed eh?
What were they thinking with the outright cruel teasing???
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
Whoa, over 60 new pages, you guys have been busy . Any news on the gay male LI front? Last I checked, Reyes was either gay or bi, Gil was gay and Jaal was either straight or bi. (Judging by some of the posts on the last two pages, I'm assuming Jaal has been confirmed to be straight? Or are we still not sure :/ ?) Jaal is hetero, Reyes is bi, Gil is still gay. It's not Bioware confirmed, but in the guide and reviewers backed it up.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 21:12:23 GMT
I have still this little fire of hope that maybe maybe every reviewer, leaker and guidemaker just got earlier version of the game where bi Jaal wasn't patched in. Since there is still code going against all this. But I have to say that that that flame is getting reeally small. In terms of camping.. I guess I'll camp some bit here, I'm quite used to this thread. Camped bit on Jaal thread too, but doesn't seem right now. Maybe I'll get ME:A eventually who knows, but really low hype right now. Besides I do have Witcher 3, DAI, No Man Sky, ME2, ME3 middle of playthroughs so I got other games that seem to have better content. Even No Man Sky lol. To be honest, the moment I saw "I love you" between Scott x Jaal I had a flashback to Grunt... they might've put it there to mislead dataminers although I'm 90% sure they have bi-content to all characters.
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