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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 21:21:50 GMT
What do you think is going on there, then? Because it seems to make no sense. Something somewhere doesn't trigger the ability for the game to recognise all those flags you and ashes found. Is it just that the code is more complex than originally thought? Ugh, I don't know. I'd have to scour the code again but truth be told, I'm too tired to even think about it. I don't know what we could have missed. Thank you. I hope you know that no one here (well I hope not at least!) blames you or ashes for any of this. We are really thankful to you for putting in all that work to begin with. You did your best
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 21:21:56 GMT
Sadly Sims 4 isn't on sale on origins anymore. It's EA, but it has gay romances Maybe I'll grab that instead when the price drops again. 60 euros for older game just isn't right. Sims 4 also almost has no gender locked clothes or hairstyles, I love playing it in times like these because I have my perfect 100% gay city v_v; They even patched in free update to make trans, non-binary and genderfluid characters. Gender really isn't obstacle of making any kind of character anymore. Sims 4 really might be most inclusive game around in that regard.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 21:22:42 GMT
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Post by bemimi † on Mar 20, 2017 21:22:42 GMT
I'm trying to catch up, let me get this straight (no pun intended, eugh)... Bioware: We can't make all our LIs playersexual or bisexual, that's not realistic! Also Bioware: No bi or gay male squadmates tho Also Bioware: Oh and make 1/2 of the available options poly/love trianglesREALISMI'm so sorry guys. ):Was gonna avoid commenting on the threads but this got my attention ? What's going on with that ? Also, I'm sorry my loves. I was 100 % in the camp of Jaal bi. :/ can't believe this That was more hyperbole, sorry! ): But as far as I can tell there's some stuff between - Peebee/Cora/Ryder - Peebee/Liam/Ryder - Peebee/Vetra/Ryder It's probs more Peebee-specific since she dgaf. Still questionable... (Also I hope the quoting works lol)
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 21:22:43 GMT
Jaal is hetero, Reyes is bi, Gil is still gay. It's not Bioware confirmed, but in the guide and reviewers backed it up. Thanks for the reply . I'm happy for the people who wanted to romance Reyes with their Sara but man, that whole Jaal situation is so shitty. Not to mention that us gay guys are now all alone as the group with the least number of romances (then again, straight women's three options against straight men's five still isn't great) *sigh*. I wasn't even really interested in Jaal but I still feel really disappointed in BW. No gay male squadmate LI, no gay male alien LI, no unique faces, fewest LI options out of any gender-orientation combo... Yeah, they really piled it on for us. I don't even know. I keep trying to get people interested in asking for a Kadara DLC with Reyes as a temp squadmate, at least, but not many bites. Maybe he'll get more popular once people see him in game. Surely few can resist that wink?
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Post by miso9 on Mar 20, 2017 21:23:27 GMT
if suvi has no sex scene, i'm honestly hoping she's an ace lesbian. explicitly so. i really hope it's not a case of "oh, you guys definitely had sex but we couldn't be bothered to animate a scene, enjoy your totally equal crewmate romance! " that probably won't be the case, but i can dream. That would mean no 'homosexual lesbian' in this game. Not cool wishing to take out representation of a different sexual minority to replace it with our own.
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Post by blighted on Mar 20, 2017 21:23:37 GMT
Awful news to wake up to. Bioware really have no excuse for this one, for doing this yet again. I'm so sorry everyone Tevinter better be absolutely full of gays.
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Post by not so salty shark on Mar 20, 2017 21:23:44 GMT
It's perfectly reasonable to expect gay men to also play a straight romance to get an in-game achievement. As long as it is also reasonable to expect straight men to play a gay romance to get an in-game achievement. Oh, hang on, that's not going to fly, is it? Not because it's not logical or is not a reasonable equivalence, but because of pending 'shoving down my throat / pandering' arguments on social media So scratch that, back to the original idea of politely asking EA Answers how this achievement is to be met. You know, my most recent Inquisitor was a woman... What if I, as a gay man, don't want to play as a woman, though? Straight guys, straight women, and gay women can all get the achievement by playing their gender and orientation combination. Curiously enough, I cannot do the same.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 20, 2017 21:23:48 GMT
[ CLOUD WATCHES]Which do you guys think will happen first in ME: a male, openly gay LI squadmate, or an openly asexual LI of any kind?
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 21:23:54 GMT
I don't remember any backlash after bi-Kaidan happened or gay-Dorian... Dorian was actually loved to the point where even straight guys romanced him for all I know. Can confirm. Am straight. Dorian was the only gay romance I've played and he was my favorite in DAI. Anecdotal, sure, but I hardly think I'm the only straight player who did this. Well then, high five! My first was Liara. I wanted Cassandra, but she was locked so I switched to mInquisitor and then romanced Cullen as fInquisitor. Although I did try Sera. Never made it to the end.
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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Mar 20, 2017 21:23:55 GMT
Sims 4 also almost has no gender locked clothes or hairstyles, I love playing it in times like these because I have my perfect 100% gay city v_v; They even patched in free update to make trans, non-binary and genderfluid characters. Gender really isn't obstacle of making any kind of character anymore. Sims 4 really might be most inclusive game around in that regard. Is that recent cause that's awesome! I haven't played in awhile cause I usually go in and out of obsessing over that game, but I might play that while I wait for 12am.
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Post by Zero on Mar 20, 2017 21:24:04 GMT
Sims 4 also almost has no gender locked clothes or hairstyles, I love playing it in times like these because I have my perfect 100% gay city v_v; How'd you do this? I'm trying to populate my city with just my own families but rando sims keep showing up and clogging up public spaces!! Hmm wait, I dont know if I ever got rid of them? I mostly ignore them or get them into a gay relationship I think, I actually can't play rn because my game laptop is in repairs so I can't check, sorry v_v
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 21:24:07 GMT
This is a hard one. But I think an openly asexual asari LI could be taking the jackpot here, but I'm just, you know, salty over the BETRAYAL so I'm just victimizing myself here hahaha. We could share! Gay Salarian squadmate. Hell yes, a homoromantic asexual Salarian squadmate would've been the dopest and the cutest!
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 20, 2017 21:24:14 GMT
And as far as the 'it wouldn't make sense' argument...it doesn't make sense THAT HE'S STRAIGHT. From all we know of Angaran culture and Jaal himself, he was the perfect candidate for a pansexual squadmate. He comes from an entirely progressive, free love culture and is up for banging a woman of another species from another galaxy but won't stretch to her dude counterpart?
OMG Bioware SJW pandering to red pillers and gamergaters and shit y did u make Jaal straight when he's obvs bi?
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Mar 20, 2017 21:24:37 GMT
And honestly people just telling people to play Sara for Jaal romance. Just shut up. It won't be the same for some people and accept that.
Also, there are trans gay men who could feel some serious gender dysphoria, which could make them uncomfortable or down right upset.
You lose nothing by being empathetic or even just shutting up. Everyone has the right to be upset. :trying not to be too salty with jerks:
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 21:25:35 GMT
Those of you who've posted your twitters in this thread, is it alright if I follow you? it's ok for me (my twitter account is usually used for animal activism so beware of ugly images)
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 20, 2017 21:25:35 GMT
What would seem to be the likely explanation is that Jaal was actually originally intended as a bi-sexual romance and then as with what happened with Kaiden, the m/m portion was cut out for whatever reason. I suspect if they ever do comment on it BioWare will merely say it was cut due to time constraints, but people will believe what they want to about that. It's an unfortunate thing that can happen in datamining and why I usually add a disclaimer about it being datamined from game files. Sometimes when a developer cuts content from the game they simply remove the code that's calling it into the game and leave everything else that they've finished up to that point there, and then people datamining the files will stumble upon it and might think it's actual content that's supposed to be in the game. That's makes sense, bit sadly though sigh. It's quite unnerving that they decided that only m/m squadromance would be something alright to cut though. I know a demographic that could have taken a cut no problem, would still probably been pretty happy. Now they kinda hit the folks with least stuff. Instead of raising taxes of the wealthy, they went and took stuff from the poor lol. I can't say what happened at BioWare but in my experience the likely case for that is that it was purely a business decision of some higher ups playing the numbers and thinking "We shouldn't cut a m/f romance because that's the majority of our customers". Most of the time the higher ups in cases like these when dealing with resource management think less in terms of what's fair to everybody and closer to "how can I give the most content to the maximum number of people?". I doubt if BioWare/EA would ever admit to that though, as many people would call it a shit excuse because they expected something different of BioWare who is supposed to be the "progressive developer" of the RPG genre. If Gils really is a relatively short romance then that probably explains why it was Jaal and not Gils who would be easier to get into the game since it required less resources.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 21:25:36 GMT
No it's actually weirder. Dataminers found that sound files for Scott/Jaal romance were missing- but there was weird coding that didn't transfer all lines so they could be read so that was thought as reason. However Jaal wasn't gender locked for Sara only, but for both and seemed to have romance scenes for both in the code. So the code would despite all this still indicate that Jaal is bi in the game unless it's misinterpreted. What would seem to be the likely explanation is that Jaal was actually originally intended as a bi-sexual romance and then as with what happened with Kaiden, the m/m portion was cut out for whatever reason. I suspect if they ever do comment on it BioWare will merely say it was cut due to time constraints, but people will believe what they want to about that. It's an unfortunate thing that can happen in datamining and why I usually add a disclaimer about it being datamined from game files. Sometimes when a developer cuts content from the game they simply remove the code that's calling it into the game and leave everything else that they've finished up to that point there, and then people datamining the files will stumble upon it and might think it's actual content that's supposed to be in the game. The confusion, however, is that we know to expect that when it comes to audio files, because audio can be recorded and never used. But it's when it exists in the flags in the game, the actual game coding. These are the flags that would be turned on by modders to enable a straight romance be available for gay players when they weren't meant to be. But there's nothing to turn on - they're already turned on. That's what's confusing everyone. It's different to the cut stuff we've encountered in the past and doesn't seem to make any sense.
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Post by frebu on Mar 20, 2017 21:25:44 GMT
[ CLOUD WATCHES]Which do you guys think will happen first in ME: a male, openly gay LI squadmate, or an openly asexual LI of any kind? I would say an Asexual squadmember that romances somebody else is more likely then either of those options unless they actually hire somebody who is asexual to explain to them how to make it work with a player character.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 21:25:47 GMT
Those of you who've posted your twitters in this thread, is it alright if I follow you? I won't mind. I am not really active though unless I am using my pitchfork lol.
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 21:26:19 GMT
Those of you who've posted your twitters in this thread, is it alright if I follow you? I haven't posted anything here but I'm the angry looking blue-haired person avatar I've tweeted a few things today but I'm holding out for "official" confirmation, then I'm going at them. I posted some questions about guide leak about Jaal being straight and how disappointing it is that there is no m/m squadromance. I doubt they will answer though, they seem very tight-lipped on romances. I wonder if people kept bugging them (not harasshing, different thing), they would give under pressure like they did with CC stuff and give answer on that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 20, 2017 21:26:27 GMT
It's perfectly reasonable to expect gay men to also play a straight romance to get an in-game achievement. As long as it is also reasonable to expect straight men to play a gay romance to get an in-game achievement. Oh, hang on, that's not going to fly, is it? Not because it's not logical or is not a reasonable equivalence, but because of pending 'shoving down my throat / pandering' arguments on social media So scratch that, back to the original idea of politely asking EA Answers how this achievement is to be met. You know, my most recent Inquisitor was a woman... As was mine (and Shepard), but that was my choice.
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Post by lauratsoni on Mar 20, 2017 21:26:32 GMT
if suvi has no sex scene, i'm honestly hoping she's an ace lesbian. explicitly so. i really hope it's not a case of "oh, you guys definitely had sex but we couldn't be bothered to animate a scene, enjoy your totally equal crewmate romance! " that probably won't be the case, but i can dream. That would mean no 'homosexual lesbian' in this game. Not cool wishing to take out representation of a different sexual minority to replace it with our own. i know that some people believe that you can't be asexual and a lesbian at the same time. i respect that i guess? but i disagree. (fwiw i am a lesbian, and i'm not ace.) don't much feel like discussing it, i feel like it's been rehashed a couple times here already.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Mar 20, 2017 21:26:37 GMT
Was gonna avoid commenting on the threads but this got my attention ? What's going on with that ? Also, I'm sorry my loves. I was 100 % in the camp of Jaal bi. :/ can't believe this That was more hyperbole, sorry! ): But as far as I can tell there's some stuff between - Peebee/Cora/Ryder - Peebee/Liam/Ryder - Peebee/Vetra/Ryder It's probs more Peebee-specific since she dgaf. Still questionable... (Also I hope the quoting works lol) Or bc you know everyone needs the Asari waifus Disclaimer: I have no problem with Peebee or the Asari but considering how hard Asari are pushed at times, I've got to be skeptical
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Post by conanzms on Mar 20, 2017 21:26:45 GMT
Here's to the premature salts to the DA4 datamining, cuz god knows what kind of non-existent romance we are gonna dig up next time ROFL I want a gay dragon LI. Do it or else Bioware. YAAASSSS, I want a dragon shapeshifter as an LI so I can literally RIDE my husbando into battle.
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