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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 22:03:25 GMT
The thing is, voting with your wallet will be totally unrecognized by anyone, the only person noticing it is you. Why not make your point nicely on the social media of your choice, then if you enjoy the game, it's ok to enjoy it guilt-free. It's more a matter of principle, though. I'd feel shitty supporting a product that treats me this way. Same reason I bought the PC version of Rise of the Tomb Raider from someone who had gotten a free code with their graphics card (seeing as you can't buy PC games used anymore) after that whole Xbox exclusivity debacle. I don't think MEA was part of any such promotion, though, was it? I was going to wait for sales, but I've found out my PC is too weak for The Witcher 3 with normal settings (sound had huge lags) so I bought ROTTR xbox one bundle (xbox has more exclusives I was interested with + backward compatibility which is important in my case). But I wrote on SE forum many times how disgusted I'm with their MS deal. It was extremely unfair.
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Post by Kian on Mar 20, 2017 22:03:42 GMT
Hey guys. I had to take yesterday off to spend time with the husband. Well, only about 8 hours to go. Did I miss anything? Jaal is bi. No gay companions, gay guys only get 2 options, both are fade to black, no sex scene, no unique face models. Everyone is ready their pitchforks. You probably meant to say Jaal is str8.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 22:03:53 GMT
Okay, I just got two different answers here. Is Jaal straight or is he not bisexual?
I also staunchly ignore Metacrictic or hell, most review sites. If I paid attention to them, I wouldn't have ever played DA2 for an example. Or one of my favorite games, FFX-2. Folks usually read whatever they want into those reviews.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 22:04:25 GMT
I'll try to give Bioware a pass right now, Believing that this decision had nothing to do with the writers or the devs themselves, but the managing had something to do with it I mean we have evidence that Jaal was bi at some point, or at least planned to be, maybe there was pressure coming down from EA, and not surprisingly it's us getting shafted again. I'm still thankful for the stuff they presented us with, it's just tiring that we always get the short end of the stick. It is impossible for us to know who along the chain of command made which decision. Just saying "it surely can't have been BW, must have been EA" misunderstands the complexity of the management structure and how they interact. The BioWare management aren't the same as the individual dev teams at each studio. And then within those dev teams, the producers aren't the same as the people on the writing teams, and so on. I don't need to know precisely who was or wasn't responsible in order to quite confidently say that for me BioWare as a whole does not get a pass. Ultimately the face of this decision is BioWare the company. The game is put out under their name. They made it. The ins and outs of who made the ultimate decision are, in a way, moot, because the game is a reflection of the company as a whole. I won't go around blaming individual devs. But I will blame BioWare. Because this is BioWare's game.
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Post by uberlurker on Mar 20, 2017 22:04:27 GMT
I'll try to give Bioware a pass right now, Believing that this decision had nothing to do with the writers or the devs themselves, but the managing had something to do with it I mean we have evidence that Jaal was bi at some point, or at least planned to be, maybe there was pressure coming down from EA, and not surprisingly it's us getting shafted again. I'm still thankful for the stuff they presented us with, it's just tiring that we always get the short end of the stick. The idea of him being bi and scrapped makes me feel worse somehow. People are saying Vetra's writer fought for her to be bi, why couldn't Jaal's writer fight for him? Bisexual females don't scare straight guys (the main target demographic) away.
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Post by byne on Mar 20, 2017 22:04:30 GMT
Okay, I just got two different answers here. Is Jaal straight or is he not bisexual? I also staunchly ignore Metacrictic or hell, most review sites. If I paid attention to them, I wouldn't have ever played DA2 for an example. Or one of my favorite games, FFX-2. Folks usually read whatever they want into those reviews. Prima says Sara only
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 20, 2017 22:04:38 GMT
Okay, I just got two different answers here. Is Jaal straight or is he not bisexual? Straighty straight
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 22:04:47 GMT
Hey guys. I had to take yesterday off to spend time with the husband. Well, only about 8 hours to go. Did I miss anything? Time to take out that pen and write that letter to BW. I'm sure that's what many are thinking of doing right now. Jaal is straight. Welcome to hell.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 22:05:28 GMT
I just want a damn season in the base game for once. They always removed the most popular content. Pets! I want pets!!!!! Pets are coming. (They're in the code. HA! Sims code doesn't lie though lol.) I want seasons too.
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Post by conanzms on Mar 20, 2017 22:05:33 GMT
I'll try to give Bioware a pass right now, Believing that this decision had nothing to do with the writers or the devs themselves, but the managing had something to do with it I mean we have evidence that Jaal was bi at some point, or at least planned to be, maybe there was pressure coming down from EA, and not surprisingly it's us getting shafted again. I'm still thankful for the stuff they presented us with, it's just tiring that we always get the short end of the stick. The idea of him being bi and scrapped makes me feel worse somehow. People are saying Vetra's writer fought for her to be bi, why couldn't Jaal's writer fight for him?I IKR? We'll get painted as the insatiable ones becuz we "got 2 options, what more do you want" But compare and contrast is a bitch, the hypocrisy and unfairness is over 9000.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 22:05:47 GMT
Okay, I just got two different answers here. Is Jaal straight or is he not bisexual? I also staunchly ignore Metacrictic or hell, most review sites. If I paid attention to them, I wouldn't have ever played DA2 for an example. Or one of my favorite games, FFX-2. Folks usually read whatever they want into those reviews. Good! FFX-2 is such an underrated game, and gets way too much flak! It has basically the formula for the best FF game ever! Oh, Jaal is straight, definitely straight!
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 20, 2017 22:05:51 GMT
The thing is, voting with your wallet will be totally unrecognized by anyone, the only person noticing it is you. Why not make your point nicely on the social media of your choice, then if you enjoy the game, it's ok to enjoy it guilt-free. If you don't like the ludicrous decisions being made, by all means give them not a penny more and make sure everyone knows why via the internet/social media outlet of your choice.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 22:06:12 GMT
Okay, I just got two different answers here. Is Jaal straight or is he not bisexual? I also staunchly ignore Metacrictic or hell, most review sites. If I paid attention to them, I wouldn't have ever played DA2 for an example. Or one of my favorite games, FFX-2. Folks usually read whatever they want into those reviews. He's straight. It was a typo. lol There wouldn't be a shitstorm if Jaal is bi because at the moment, no gay companion whatsoever.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 22:07:54 GMT
The idea of him being bi and scrapped makes me feel worse somehow. People are saying Vetra's writer fought for her to be bi, why couldn't Jaal's writer fight for him? Bisexual females don't scare straight guys (the main target demographic) away. They added bisexual Liara specifically because of straight males, because "lesbians are hot", but Liara is not a lesbian. #ShitsTeamMESaid
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:08:05 GMT
Yeah, once again, being a gay male gamer sucks. I get more options in fucking Dragon Age of all things than Mass Effect.
I am actually legit pissed. I'm going to play the game and all but the fact that gay male gamers can't even earn the romance achievement without resorting to having to jump outside our own preference is making me furious.
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Post by conanzms on Mar 20, 2017 22:08:46 GMT
I'll try to give Bioware a pass right now, Believing that this decision had nothing to do with the writers or the devs themselves, but the managing had something to do with it I mean we have evidence that Jaal was bi at some point, or at least planned to be, maybe there was pressure coming down from EA, and not surprisingly it's us getting shafted again. I'm still thankful for the stuff they presented us with, it's just tiring that we always get the short end of the stick. It is impossible for us to know who along the chain of command made which decision. Just saying "it surely can't have been BW, must have been EA" misunderstands the complexity of the management structure and how they interact. The BioWare management aren't the same as the individual dev teams at each studio. And then within those dev teams, the producers aren't the same as the people on the writing teams, and so on. I don't need to know precisely who was or wasn't responsible in order to quite confidently say that for me BioWare as a whole does not get a pass. Ultimately the face of this decision is BioWare the company. The game is put out under their name. They made it. The ins and outs of who made the ultimate decision are, in a way, moot, because the game is a reflection of the company as a whole. I won't go around blaming individual devs. But I will blame BioWare. Because this is BioWare's game. You know what, I blame Bioware joining forces with EA, look where we end up now. I wish they were still independent, their creativity would not be stifled by corporate interest, at least to a lesser extent.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 22:09:14 GMT
? the sex scenes were fine to me. They only made me wonder why the fuck was that so well animated when so much of the game looks like shit. Alright, I feel I should explain a bit. I actually rewatched Morrigan's sex scene and Cora and Peebee's just to be sure. I'd say Cora's is around the same level as Morrigan's. It's better animated, sure. But the almost complete dark background and somehow well-lit characters look off to me. Peebee's though, I really don't know how to describe it, the elongated neck, the "embrace eternity" and Scott/Sara's blank face. To me it's as startling as Morinth's, but with out the intention to be so. Of course youtube clips cannot convey the emotional build up toward the sex scenes through the entire game (best example, Mother Giselle's singing), so I don't really know. . . I liked Cora's scene, mostly because the attention to detail for some of the animations was really well done. It was the first I watched, and it gave me high (false) hopes for the others. Peebee's is really a big step down. It looks so stilted. The body models aren't as well done - they're blocky and weird and clearly haven't had as much attention lavished on them. Gil's kisses have none of the animation detail of Cora's. It's fair to say almost no care went into his scenes. Reyes' first kiss scene doesn't have that care either. I haven't seen anything with Liam. I think it's fair to say that Cora is the default romance for this game. By a country mile.
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 20, 2017 22:09:33 GMT
I was going to wait for sales, but I've found out my PC is too weak for The Witcher 3 with normal settings (sound had huge lags) so I bought ROTTR xbox one bundle (xbox has more exclusives I was interested with + backward compatibility which is important in my case). But I wrote on SE forum many times how disgusted I'm with their MS deal. It was extremely unfair. Fair or not, it was IDIOTIC from the perspective of the franchise's health. Getting ~50 million from Microsoft to develop game may have helped Square Enix' balance sheet considerably, but it literally cut the game's audience reach more than in half. 2013 reboot regardless of its flaws was a big comeback for the franchise and rejoined the AAA lineup full on. The game sold over 9 million copies and became the best selling Tomb Raider EVER, despite slow start. Especially on PS consoles, 3 & 4 Definitive Edition. That was a fantastic base for the sequel. And they fucked it up unbelieveably bad. ROTR won't even sell half due to year long delay on PS4 and deflated hype
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 22:10:06 GMT
According to the Prima Guide, huh? Yeah, I'm back to "I'll see it with my own eyes." For a laugh, google "Prime Guide errors." I'm willing to bet that the guide is correct, but I've seen Prima Guides get it wrong before. I'm not going to write to BioWare until it's 100% confirmed. I've dealt with one too many Prime Guides that had serious errors in them before. I don't take them at face value. I know better. They still screw up sometimes. The most recent was Prima screwing up a guide in 2016. Does that mean Jaal is straight? Probably. However, nothing is confirmed until we see it with our own eyes, or we get full videos. None of this "well my friend said X" or "Well, the Guide says Y." We have less than 8 hours to go. Then, if Jaal is still straight, I'll be busting out my google doc. By the way, this? This isn't Hell. If I was Hell, I wouldn't be here. I'm in too good of a mood.
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Post by zaefkol on Mar 20, 2017 22:11:37 GMT
So, I've been looking for romance scenes on Youtube because I love making myself upset, and so far, based on the incomplete list of them that I have seen, here are my observations about how explicit and/or detailed they are.
I'm going to rank these in T&A terms (Tits & Ass).
Scott/Cora - Cora has very prominent A and mild T, Scott has A.
Scott/Peebee - Peebee has A and prominent T, Scott has very mild A.
Sara/Peebee - Same scene as above, Peebee has A and prominent T, Sara has T and very mild A.
Scott/Gil - Fade to black with a very brief shirtless shot that doesn't even go below the chest.
Thanks for that.
As far as how much detail and work went into each scene, I felt that the Cora and Peebee scenes lasted longer than I expected, were fairly well choreographed, and included a surprising amount of thrusting and grinding. The Gil scene, of course, was brief kissing and then fade to black.
Again, thanks for that.
The other scenes I haven't found online yet, so there could be something for m/m Ryders somewhere, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. .
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:11:38 GMT
...Okay. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but something in the datamine thread is confusing me.
Apparently there IS an audio file of Scott saying "I love you too, Jaal." Unless Bioware is legit going to try and claim that the line is being said in a platonic context, I'm now angry and confused.
So the audio does exist, but he's straight??
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Post by PhatePhoenix on Mar 20, 2017 22:11:46 GMT
Hey guys. I had to take yesterday off to spend time with the husband. Well, only about 8 hours to go. Did I miss anything? [ SALT RAINS DOWN FROM THE SKY] [ FIRE BLAZES IN THE DISTANCE] Nothin' much. 'Sup with you?
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Post by aionis on Mar 20, 2017 22:12:22 GMT
I'm honestly gonna do the Reyes romance first
I saw a first date vid and it was actually cute
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 20, 2017 22:13:17 GMT
...Okay. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but something in the datamine thread is confusing me. Apparently there IS an audio file of Scott saying "I love you too, Jaal." Unless Bioware is legit going to try and claim that the line is being said in a platonic context, I'm now angry and confused. So the audio does exist, but he's straight?? Most likely a placeholder
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 22:13:24 GMT
It is impossible for us to know who along the chain of command made which decision. Just saying "it surely can't have been BW, must have been EA" misunderstands the complexity of the management structure and how they interact. The BioWare management aren't the same as the individual dev teams at each studio. And then within those dev teams, the producers aren't the same as the people on the writing teams, and so on. I don't need to know precisely who was or wasn't responsible in order to quite confidently say that for me BioWare as a whole does not get a pass. Ultimately the face of this decision is BioWare the company. The game is put out under their name. They made it. The ins and outs of who made the ultimate decision are, in a way, moot, because the game is a reflection of the company as a whole. I won't go around blaming individual devs. But I will blame BioWare. Because this is BioWare's game. You know what, I blame Bioware joining forces with EA, look where we end up now. I wish they were still independent, their creativity would not be stifled by corporate interest, at least to a lesser extent. At the same time, they wouldn't have the money or resources they have now. It's a double edged sword. And remember, EA is an inclusive company, which has plenty of lgbt content out there under its name. These decisions are never a cut and dried as they might seem. I just really don't want people to give BioWare a pass for something that they still have at least some amount of control over.
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