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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 22:33:42 GMT
do you have a link for this? I've tried to get it through Mod The Sims but the link is always blocked for some reason. That's weird, I can't access it either. I wonder if he's taken it down and started hosting elsewhere? I'll ask my peeps on tumblr and see what I can find out. Cool, thanks!
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 22:33:52 GMT
Alright then! Who wants to put together an effort to find someone to create a Bi Jaal mod and rub in the dev's faces or something. Lol, if that mod happens people should tweet some out-of-context, no comment added Scott/Jaal screenshots at them
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Post by bemimi † on Mar 20, 2017 22:35:10 GMT
Honestly if the code is similar to DAI's & they just blocked Scott from flirting with Jaal...totally doable. If they didn't delete the audio files for it. IIRC, people have only been able to find one Scott/Jaal line in audio form so far, right? Worst case scenario would be silent audio, like the trilogy :/ also might be awkward if Jaal ever refers to Ryder as a woman
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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 22:35:22 GMT
Alright then! Who wants to put together an effort to find someone to create a Bi Jaal mod and rub in the dev's faces or something. Lol, if that mod happens people should tweet some out-of-context, no comment added Scott/Jaal screenshots at them OMG I'm so on board for this
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Mar 20, 2017 22:36:00 GMT
Wow so even vetra got the fade-to-black...turians never get a good scene.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 22:36:27 GMT
True. In the end, gay men get fukt in almost every category. 1) Least amount of options 2) Both options are NPC with CC face 3) Both options aren't that story relevant 4) Gay guy has a romance/story that again, highlights his gayness, just like with Steve and Dorian 5) No male m/m alien 6) Fade-to-black sex scenes 7) Most likely less story/romance content So yeah, it's pretty annoying, to say the least. And I'll bet they're surprised to find that we're not thrilled to have been thrown these scraps. It's not 2012 anymore; the bar is much higher in terms of quantity and quality of content. (And it's higher because they raised it themselves! They eagerly told us how there were more and better romances than ever, neglecting to mention that one set of players was going to get every last drop of the improvement.) Yeah, not happy at all for getting scraps. That's really what Gil and Reyes feel like, scraps. Just throw these dudes in there, it's not like gay people have any standards right. I'm sure they'll throw any excuse at us they can to make it seem like they didn't fuck up as badly as they did.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:36:49 GMT
If they didn't delete the audio files for it. IIRC, people have only been able to find one Scott/Jaal line in audio form so far, right? Worst case scenario would be silent audio, like the trilogy :/ also might be awkward if Jaal ever refers to Ryder as a woman At this point I've stopped caring. If they're going to bait the m/m fanbase and actually lock us out of an entire achievement because we won't play outside their boxThen the number of hoops I have to jump through doesn't matter anymore.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 20, 2017 22:37:41 GMT
Wow so even vetra got the fade-to-black...turians never get a good scene. If they're not extremely humanoid, fade to black it seems. And if they're gay of course.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 22:37:57 GMT
do you have a link for this? I've tried to get it through Mod The Sims but the link is always blocked for some reason. That's weird, I can't access it either. I wonder if he's taken it down and started hosting elsewhere? I'll ask my peeps on tumblr and see what I can find out. Here you go, he moved to tumblr: deaderpoolmc.tumblr.com/(the TS4 community responds fast! 4 responses in 4 minutes lol)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2017 22:38:01 GMT
if suvi has no sex scene, i'm honestly hoping she's an ace lesbian. explicitly so. i really hope it's not a case of "oh, you guys definitely had sex but we couldn't be bothered to animate a scene, enjoy your totally equal crewmate romance! " that probably won't be the case, but i can dream. I'm hoping so as well. When talking about romances and how they were inspired by DAI, Ian mentioned Josephine as one of the specific examples so I'm hoping it is Suvi that was inspired by Josephine's romance.
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Post by Raga on Mar 20, 2017 22:38:13 GMT
Wow so even vetra got the fade-to-black...turians never get a good scene. As I said in the Vetra thread: (spoilered for size)
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 22:39:35 GMT
Yeah, you guys are right, ME team definitely at least should have the decency to fight for it, but they did not care in the end. I'm just in denial when the same developers gave us DAI would choose to screw us over with this, I mean DAI is like a (not saying it like a bad thing, but) SJW's wet dream we had straight, gay, lesbian, and bi/pan LIs IN THE SQUAD, with a prominent trans character featured in. I guess the project leads on DA and ME had different priorities in mind, (petition to have project leaders for future MEs to be gay, or bi, whatevs Team Dragon Age and Team ME lead by different people, they have different teams, so just because both teams are under Bioware don't mean they are the same. They didn't fight for it because EA didn't force them. If EA was against gay, DA wouldn't be such a "SJW's wet dream" as you put it since EA may see it as unappealing to straight guys. Mass Effect team makes every conscious decision to do what they did. They try to lean heavily toward straight guys, not saying that it's wrong if it's their decision to prioritize certain consumers, but not to even have 1 single gay companions while having 5 romances for straight guys are not a time constraint issue, it's a deliberate issue to appeal to the dudebros. Ironically, all the dudebros are calling this game SJW, Cora has "butch" hair. While trying to appeal to a certain demographic, ironically enough, they're losing everyone. I just love the irony here. lol I repeat myself: both ME and DA teams are united under the umbrella of BioWare's upper management. The buck stops with them first and foremost.
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Post by Panda on Mar 20, 2017 22:39:36 GMT
I believe that's what we'd already thought, the flirt just never happens. I assume as a long con so that I, personally, couldn't cancel my pre-order in time after the theoretical rejection line was found and posted by reviewers. Well, I won't lie. This is the first time I have been seriously tempted to withdraw my pre-order even though it's literally the day of release (the game unlocks for me at 9pm PDT), but since I told myself I wouldn't do that, I won't. But this pisses me off. I did pull of my reservation of DAI I had placed on local game shop. Actually lost 10 euros for reservation money for that. Didn't care was angry enough, thank god I didn't preorder this.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 20, 2017 22:40:02 GMT
A bi Jaal mod really doesn't fix much because, from a gaming perspective, the game will never acknowledge or react to your relationship as it truly is (and imagine if this becomes a trilogy or something, so three games of modded scraps). And from a (dare I say it) political perspective, the glaring insult to gay men still stands. Bioware invited you to their birthday party and told you you can only have cake if you sit at a different fucking table to everyone else. Don't forget that.
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Post by relay314 on Mar 20, 2017 22:40:05 GMT
I was totally fine with Jaal being my friend, platonically and all this good stuff. First and foremost. But this whole Peebee situation just feels like rolling in a salt pile after 3rd degree burns. Garrus and Tali was just as horrible. I'm so tired. Rip in pies.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 22:40:50 GMT
True. In the end, gay men get fukt in almost every category. 1) Least amount of options 2) Both options are NPC with CC face 3) Both options aren't that story relevant 4) Gay guy has a romance/story that again, highlights his gayness, just like with Steve and Dorian 5) No male m/m alien 6) Fade-to-black sex scenes 7) Most likely less story/romance content So yeah, it's pretty annoying, to say the least. And I'll bet they're surprised to find that we're not thrilled to have been thrown these scraps. It's not 2012 anymore; the bar is much higher in terms of quantity and quality of content. (And it's higher because they raised it themselves! They eagerly told us how there were more and better romances than ever, neglecting to mention that one set of players was going to get every last drop of the improvement.) You hit the nail on the head with this one. We DON'T need them to give us gay options. Nowadays, many developers are including gay options like Fire Emblem, Technomancers (Even with no female protagonist, they still add in a gay option, how's that for exclusivity?), Fallout 4, Skyrim, Elder Scrolls 6 (The game doesn't even get made yet yet and it will still be more exclusivity than this game, no doubt), Langrisser. We as consumers have options now, we don't need to chew on whatever bones Team Mass Effect decides to throw at us.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 22:40:51 GMT
"We have to make a LGBT+ character make sense."
Translation: "We assume all characters are straight by default. Then we decide if it's "natural" to make them any different. Because as we all know, it has to make sense if someone is anything but straight."
"We want to provide diversity."
Translation: "We felt that it would be too icky to have a non-straight guy. What would the new players think? Nah, let's stick them in their special corner on the ship. Both of them! Gay or bi men can't be squad mates."
"We want to attract new players and old ones alike."
Translation: "We so scared of scaring off the original Average Straight Gamer, so we'll hide any non-straight men on the ship. A squadmate? Oh no, what would Mr. Douchy McBroster think of that? Quick, disable Jaal's code so we can keep our new straight gamer. We know that current fans don't buy our crap, our comics, our books. That's the new players, right?"
"We have more romances than ever before!"
Translation: "We just don't think gay/bi men should have a m/m on the squad."
Yes, I'm pissed off. I'll calm down, but I need coffee and a cigarette. Maybe two.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 22:41:37 GMT
A bi Jaal mod really doesn't fix much because, from a gaming perspective, the game will never acknowledge or react to your relationship as it truly is (and imagine if this becomes a trilogy or something, so three games of modded scraps). And from a (dare I say it) political perspective, the glaring insult to gay men still stands. Bioware invited you to their birthday party and told you you can only have cake if you sit at a different fucking table to everyone else. Don't forget that. Not, but I'm feeling vindictive as fuck. If I have to mod an entire series of games to do it I will do it.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 22:42:32 GMT
That's weird, I can't access it either. I wonder if he's taken it down and started hosting elsewhere? I'll ask my peeps on tumblr and see what I can find out. Here you go, he moved to tumblr: deaderpoolmc.tumblr.com/(the TS4 community responds fast! 4 responses in 4 minutes lol) Thanks! And yeah, they seem to be good people. I've never seen hateful slurs and such from that side of fandom. BioWare on the other hand... lol
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 22:42:47 GMT
Team Dragon Age and Team ME lead by different people, they have different teams, so just because both teams are under Bioware don't mean they are the same. They didn't fight for it because EA didn't force them. If EA was against gay, DA wouldn't be such a "SJW's wet dream" as you put it since EA may see it as unappealing to straight guys. Mass Effect team makes every conscious decision to do what they did. They try to lean heavily toward straight guys, not saying that it's wrong if it's their decision to prioritize certain consumers, but not to even have 1 single gay companions while having 5 romances for straight guys are not a time constraint issue, it's a deliberate issue to appeal to the dudebros. Ironically, all the dudebros are calling this game SJW, Cora has "butch" hair. While trying to appeal to a certain demographic, ironically enough, they're losing everyone. I just love the irony here. lol I repeat myself: both ME and DA teams are united under the umbrella of BioWare's upper management. The buck stops with them first and foremost. So Bioware's upper management decides for DA to be exclusivity but ME is not?
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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 22:43:01 GMT
I've raised an official complaint with ea that the achievement is unavailable for gay men, I suggest others do as well. This isn't acceptable. I might make another about the gay scenes being censored, even their kisses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 22:43:08 GMT
So, I've been looking for romance scenes on Youtube because I love making myself upset, and so far, based on the incomplete list of them that I have seen, here are my observations about how explicit and/or detailed they are.
I'm going to rank these in T&A terms (Tits & Ass).
Scott/Cora - Cora has very prominent A and mild T, Scott has A.
Scott/Peebee - Peebee has A and prominent T, Scott has very mild A.
Sara/Peebee - Same scene as above, Peebee has A and prominent T, Sara has T and very mild A.
Scott/Gil - Fade to black with a very brief shirtless shot that doesn't even go below the chest.
Thanks for that.
As far as how much detail and work went into each scene, I felt that the Cora and Peebee scenes lasted longer than I expected, were fairly well choreographed, and included a surprising amount of thrusting and grinding. The Gil scene, of course, was brief kissing and then fade to black.
Again, thanks for that.
The other scenes I haven't found online yet, so there could be something for m/m Ryders somewhere, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. .
You can't even see Ryder and Gil, and Ryder and Reyes kiss properly, like there lips barely make visible contact, cause an arm or head is conveniently always in the way. It's such a step back. We had Cortez and Shepard both in their briefs, and Shep and Kaidan had a decent scene too. All Gil and Scott get is clothes action and no nips or butts. Add that to no squadmate LI and yeah... Mass Effect don't care about their gay or bi male fans.
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 20, 2017 22:43:55 GMT
Alright then! Who wants to put together an effort to find someone to create a Bi Jaal mod and rub in the dev's faces or something. Lol, if that mod happens people should tweet some out-of-context, no comment added Scott/Jaal screenshots at them With captions like "You know what you did". It doesn't even have to be screenshots of a mod. We can just spam them with homoerotic fan art. A painting of Liam and Scott making out? Tweet it to them. A fan render of Kallo watching Dr Carlyle, Jaal, Scott and Drack have an orgy? Tweet it to them. A fan fic about Jaal discovering his secret feelings for Liam and the two getting together and living happily every after? Tweet it to them. Or hell, we could make Inquisition/Andromeda comparison pictures and caption them "Good BioWare" and "Bad BioWare"... so many possibilities . (EDIT: I'm not suggesting people actually go out and literally spam them or harass them. I mean, the idea is tempting but this post was mostly just me being upset and blowing off steam. Sorry. There are probably more effective and constructive ways to get our complaints heard and acknowledged.)
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 20, 2017 22:44:52 GMT
I hate jumping on conspiracy theory bandwagons but when EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF THE DESIGN is made to shut male/male off to the side while specifically focusing on the female body in every single sex scene I call freaking foul. What did marketing fear the bigoted raging mass of "SJW are out to get us" and demand this nonsense? If it was just one or a couple things I'd not be so upset, but EVERY single factor that could possibly snub gay men is in play. Every. Single. One. other than there just not being m/m romance at all.True. In the end, gay men get fukt in almost every category. 1) Least amount of options 2) Both options are NPC with CC face 3) Both options aren't that story relevant 4) Gay guy has a romance/story that again, highlights his gayness, just like with Steve and Dorian 5) No male m/m alien 6) Fade-to-black sex scenes 7) Most likely less story/romance content So yeah, it's pretty annoying, to say the least. Hold up. One of the options, again, revolves around DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPOILER TAG ON PHONE SO MILD SPOILER being gay?? Homophobia, as stated by the creators, is no longer even a thing in the ME universe. There should not be any gay existential issue plots. That, ahem, doesn't make sense.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 22:44:52 GMT
No bi Jaal mod for me, I passed through enough angst with my Warden and the inevitable US, and bi Cullen mod. So no more. No more headcanon for me. I haven't played Skyrim and I heard that you can marry lizard men, the nearest thing to an alien in my books so... It's in my to do list
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