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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 22:57:11 GMT
Oh YEah, @hanako, Cora's romance doesn't force the sex part.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 22:57:18 GMT
I repeat myself: both ME and DA teams are united under the umbrella of BioWare's upper management. The buck stops with them first and foremost. So Bioware's upper management decides for DA to be exclusivity but ME is not? More like they make DA more for m/m while ME more for f/f.
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 22:57:19 GMT
My response to the complaint was 'Thank you for bringing this to our attention that is indeed something that our dev team for Mass effect need sto know and i will be filing a report here on our end so that it can be looked into'. Make noise folks. Shall I make a thread about this? As in mobilising people to register complaints and make their voices heard? Yes, good idea. If anything it might get get a response and explanation at the very least from the team. Dont expect anything else though, but we really do deserve some sort of statement or acknowledgement. Where can I do this?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 22:57:48 GMT
yeah I am getting a little huh at people blaming EA. This has always been a ME team issue. Always.
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Post by KalleDemos on Mar 20, 2017 22:57:49 GMT
So...should I cancel the download and refund now or...?
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 22:58:02 GMT
Hmm. I just watched the Cora scene and I noticed that you have the option to NOT progress to sex. Do they gay romances get that option? Also, I really wasn't bothered about the sex scenes but seeing how surprisingly well animated that was and how much care went into minute details like lip movements...yeah, a fade to black for m/m is starting to piss me off. It really is just scraps. To be fair, yes. In Gil's scene there's an option to "take it slow".
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Post by epenthesis on Mar 20, 2017 22:58:06 GMT
I don't get who BioWare are trying to please exactly. Both sides of the fanbase seem to hate them equally now The only way to please a certain crowd would be to have only female LIs for either Scott or Sara. The very act of creating content for us makes them angry, but we're not happy because they didn't create nearly enough. Oy. This was so poorly thought through.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 22:58:34 GMT
So...should I cancel the download and refund now or...? refund this game is gonna be bargin bin status very quickly. You can probably get it half off really soon. (Wish I could refund )
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 22:59:00 GMT
So Bioware's upper management decides for DA to be exclusivity but ME is not? More like they make DA more for m/m while ME more for f/f. That doesn't really make sense because m/m and f/f options in DA have always been the same amount.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 22:59:22 GMT
I don't get who BioWare are trying to please exactly. Both sides of the fanbase seem to hate them equally now If they trully wanted to please us they'd make all teammates bi so everyone could bang with everyone. Problem solved
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Post by GordianKnot on Mar 20, 2017 22:59:27 GMT
This topic has gone all kinds of places in the 45 minutes or so it took me to write this up, but I think the Mass Effect team doesn't really understand the market of RPG fans (arguably why ME3 was basically Gears of Effect).
The video game market, believe it or not, extends far beyond the leagues of pre-pubescent boys who swear up a storm on Xbox live while playing the latest rendition of Call of Duty. And, much like most other forms of entertainment, (surprise!) different people like different aspects of games. That 14-year old kid might giggle while his version of Ryder bangs Cora/Peebee, but chances are he’s going to ignore the exploration/resource gathering/colony development aspect of Mass Effect: Andromeda entirely and power through the main quest because he likes shooting digital monsters.
Where am I going with this? For a lot of people, escapism is a huge part of why we play video games – namely RPGs. Most people live pretty boring day-to-day lives. Sure, there are highlights – vacations, projects, concerts/festivals – but most of us operate under relatively stable routines. RPGs are a momentary escape from that. It’s not that the “work/gym/food/sleep” routine sucks, but that playing a character doing exciting things like exploring new planets or killing dragons stimulates our imaginations. In reality, we’re all cogs in a machine. Not everyone gets to grow up to be an astronaut or a pro football player or a Navy SEAL.
In video games, we get to be someone doing something that matters. Commander Shepard, the Gray Warden, the Dragonborn, the Sole Survivor. We get to be someone “special.” And this isn’t about being “snowflakes,” because I’m pretty sure most people who are old enough to be playing M-rated games are old enough to understand the difference between “this is a video game,” and “this is reality.” Any game – the protagonist, the story, all of it – is a lot more enthralling for most people when they have more freedom to make their character exactly who they want them to be. So, (surprise!) LGBT gamers want to be able to make their character LGBT, or at least headcanon that he/she/they are. Putting romance storylines in a game but making the majority of the content hetero-exclusive makes that extremely difficult.
Some of us are fortunate enough to have lives where we can be open about our sexual orientation and don’t have to fear losing friends or family or getting fired. Others aren’t so lucky. For these people, being able to roleplay a gay character in video games might be some of their only reprieve from the largely heteronormative world around us. So I can see why a lot of people who are/were very emotionally invested in the Mass Effect series are taking the news about Jaal as an absolute slap in the face from a company that tries to market itself as “progressive” on LGBT issues.
TL;DR – lots of people – straight and gay alike – play RPGs because we can escape into fantasy worlds that are a lot more exciting than our every-day lives of rush-hour traffic and working 8 to 5 and slaving on the treadmill for an hour and doing it all again the next day. We play so we can be who we want in those worlds. Making the majority of romance options hetero-only adds absolutely nothing to a game (except the smug satisfaction of a few homophobes), but takes this away from a lot of people. Video games aren’t meant to be realistic, ergo, the “LGBT people are like 10% of the population so they should get like 10% of the romance comment, that’s only fair,” holds absolutely no weight.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 22:59:59 GMT
I wouldn't mind unequal romance content, I won't mind if they cater to straight guys have have 2-3 female LI as companions, not a SINGLE one? This is basically worse than Kaidan. This is not even about a sense of entitlement, this is about us being treated like something akin to disease, need to be hidden inside a closet, so that it doesn't make other people feel uncomfortable that we exist. Can you tell me a demographic they haven't pissed off? If this is to appease straight guys, too bad, you pissed them off, too. Everyone is pissed at ME Andromeda.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 23:00:02 GMT
I would have figured at least one m/m squadmate after Kaidan. Apparently, we're not just going back to ME1 in look. It's just the ME1 treatment with some NPCs. Awesome. Even if they are well written, they are automatically going be less present in the story than the squadmates. Before anyone mentions Cullen or Josie, this is obviously a different team we're dealing with. They have a much different set of priorities, which means I ain't holding my breath for good NPC content. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt; I tried to believe that they didn't allow this "it has to make sense if they aren't straight" bullshit to color their views. At least they aren't trying to claim that Scott can't be gay this time.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 23:00:09 GMT
I'm going to wait to buy it, so I can be sure of the quality of the features in the game, as well as a more stable experience. I'll wait until I finish playing P5. I hope the people playing it will still manage to have fun
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 23:00:15 GMT
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 23:00:18 GMT
More like they make DA more for m/m while ME more for f/f. That doesn't really make sense because m/m and f/f options in DA have always been the same amount. And the F/F options don't feel like they were designed to satisfy the male gaze like the asari shit in ME, but actually there to please WLW gamers or people who otherwise genuinely appreciate those types of relationships.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 23:00:36 GMT
This series of photoshops is old, but I wonder if anyone's tried to get the devs to look at it lol Tweet them this and tell them they've broken up a family. probably the lack of sleep talking but this is making me laugh too much to not do it
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 23:01:22 GMT
Personally I would change this to "friendship ended with Mass Effect, now Dragon Age is my friend".
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2017 23:02:05 GMT
Oh YEah, @hanako, Cora's romance doesn't force the sex part. I saw. Thanks for thinking of me to let me know.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 20, 2017 23:02:28 GMT
My response to the complaint was 'Thank you for bringing this to our attention that is indeed something that our dev team for Mass effect need sto know and i will be filing a report here on our end so that it can be looked into'. Make noise folks. Shall I make a thread about this? As in mobilising people to register complaints and make their voices heard? Yes, good idea. If anything it might get get a response and explanation at the very least from the team. Dont expect anything else though, but we really do deserve some sort of statement or acknowledgement. Yeah let's do that thread. Some acknowledgement would be nice.
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Post by Mir Aven on Mar 20, 2017 23:02:55 GMT
Lol so he got the Thane treatment? What a bunch of cowards. Y'know I'm not even mad, I just find it hilarious. Someone at Bioware or EA specifically does not want Male Human/Male Alien relationships to happen. Let's Review: No Garrus romance for 2 or 3, Thane and now Jaal were originally bi options but cut for reasons unknown. You only get the Javik cutscene with Femshep. I don't even remember if Mordin will say that "if he was interested in humans he would try you" if you're Sheploo. Really makes you think. Would be nice but I doubt it. They have to patch the everloving crap out of this game, they'll probably say it's not important enough. Unless people bug them about it. So if any of you are still mad, go bug them about it because it's the only thing that might make them listen. They need to know anyway, Steve 2.0 and random Orange dude as our options? While Jaal could have been a possibility? They really think gay guys would be satisfied with that? I was celibate gay Shep for ME1/2 and got the Mordin line, but I'm pretty sure they only even put that in as a laughI always thought that they put that in because they were afraid of the flood of "Mordin for LI in ME3" threads.
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Post by riou on Mar 20, 2017 23:03:09 GMT
Personally I would change this to "friendship ended with Mass Effect, now Dragon Age is my friend". Problem is I dislike fantasy most of the time.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Mar 20, 2017 23:03:20 GMT
Alright then! Who wants to put together an effort to find someone to create a Bi Jaal mod and rub in the dev's faces or something. Haha, yeah. Tom Taylerson seems pretty cool, i bet if someone asked nicely he would even voice the relevant Scott lines over Skype or something so there is full VA in the mod.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Mar 20, 2017 23:03:22 GMT
Have the devs or VAs respond to any of this?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 23:03:27 GMT
That doesn't really make sense because m/m and f/f options in DA have always been the same amount. And the F/F options don't feel like they were designed to satisfy the male gaze like the asari shit in ME, but actually there to please WLW gamers or people who otherwise genuinely appreciate those types of relationships. Leliana She and Silk Fox are my favorites. Merrill too but I don't play lady Hawke in DA2.
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