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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 23:04:02 GMT
No bi Jaal mod for me, I passed through enough angst with my Warden and the inevitable US, and bi Cullen mod. So no more. No more headcanon for me. I haven't played Skyrim and I heard that you can marry lizard men, the nearest thing to an alien in my books so... It's in my to do list Oh Skyrim's where it's at!! I've happily utilized the marriage mods for Ulfric and Brynjolf, and of course prettied them up a bit as well. And thanks again to mods I'm able to play the most devastatingly handsome elves in all of Tamriel
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 20, 2017 23:04:16 GMT
Tweet them this and tell them they've broken up a family. probably the lack of sleep talking but this is making me laugh too much to not do it I remember the devs reacting to this very picture of Scott and Jaal together by saying "wow" and "It's beautiful". Along those lines...
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 23:04:22 GMT
So Bioware's upper management decides for DA to be exclusivity but ME is not? More like they make DA more for m/m while ME more for f/f. Gay males have the same numbers of options as lesbians in DAI. if It's leaning more toward m/m, then I don't see why marriage only available to female Inquisitor and in a game where most of the options are males, they're only available to straight females. From what I've seem, ME games lean toward straight guys in everyone of their games, f/f just happens to benefit from it, DA games tend to lean toward straight women, except gay men didn't get any benefit from it, they always have the same number of options or lesser than other groups in DA. DAO 1 gay, straight women and men have 2, DA2 gays and everyone have 2, women have 3, DAI, women have 4, gay men have 2 just the same as everyone. ME1, ME2, no gay at all, ME3 modded from female and an off-ship, ME Andromeda, screw those queers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2017 23:04:23 GMT
I would have figured at least one m/m squadmate after Kaidan. Apparently, we're not just going back to ME1 in look. It's just the ME1 treatment with some NPCs. Awesome. Even if they are well written, they are automatically going be less present in the story than the squadmates. Before anyone mentions Cullen or Josie, this is obviously a different team we're dealing with. They have a much different set of priorities, which means I ain't holding my breath for good NPC content. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt; I tried to believe that they didn't allow this "it has to make sense if they aren't straight" bullshit to color their views. At least they aren't trying to claim that Scott can't be gay this time. Suvi actually seems quite involved in the plot.
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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Mar 20, 2017 23:04:26 GMT
While I would hate for a repeat of this whole "keep everything secret" marketing tactic if the DA team were to do this I don't think people would have been remotely as worried.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 23:04:34 GMT
Let me know if you guys start that thread. I can come in there and help keep an eye on it. This will be the primary thread I'll be in though.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 23:05:11 GMT
My eyes are bleeding :gasp: What the heck is that? Is this even... no, it is real... For the love of all the spirits and Ryncol!
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Post by Mir Aven on Mar 20, 2017 23:05:16 GMT
That's just painful to watch.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 20, 2017 23:05:42 GMT
I don't get who BioWare are trying to please exactly. Both sides of the fanbase seem to hate them equally now The only way to please a certain crowd would be to have only female LIs for either Scott or Sara. The very act of creating content for us makes them angry, but we're not happy because they didn't create nearly enough. Oy. This was so poorly thought through. Exactly! By being fucking cowardly they've neither stood by the gay community OR excluded them to the degree that certain groups will accept. So there will still be constant complaints about Bioware forcing their 'agenda' on people AND gay guys pissed that they've been insulted. Genius move, brah.
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Post by amoebae † on Mar 20, 2017 23:06:06 GMT
I repeat myself: both ME and DA teams are united under the umbrella of BioWare's upper management. The buck stops with them first and foremost. So Bioware's upper management decides for DA to be exclusivity but ME is not? I'd say they think the markets are different and they pay mind to that when deciding what content will go in. And I think there aren't enough people in the ME team itself who are prepared to go to bat to give good gay content as there have been in the DA side of things. It's a complex picture, and it's not really that useful to say it's definitely down to X or to Y because we don't know. We can guess, but we don't know. I have my suspicions, but they are just suspicions. I don't think, however, that it's all one giant EA-driven conspiracy that, if given free rein, BioWare would immediately change and provide all the gays for all the gays. There's a lot of "EA are obviously evil" stuff that gets bandied around that entirely ignores how complex the overall picture is. This isn't me giving anyone a pass, btw. But when we're deciding who to engage in discussion about this stuff, EA execs isn't where we're going to be focusing. This is BioWare's game. This is BioWare's responsibility, even if they had input from higher-ups at EA.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 20, 2017 23:07:03 GMT
So, I'm talking to someone who was equally invested in Jaal. Here's a real kicker, IF it's true: It's not that Scott gets rejected if you try and flirt with Jaal. Apparently the flirt option doesn't even appear in the first place. Scott can't even TRY to flirt with him.What the heck happened to being able to be shut down quickly, if that's simply not true with Jaal??
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 23:07:11 GMT
More like they make DA more for m/m while ME more for f/f. Gay males have the same numbers of options as lesbians in DAI. if It's leaning more toward m/m, then I don't see why marriage only available to female Inquisitor and in a game where most of the options are males, they're only available to straight females. From what I've seem, ME games lean toward straight guys in everyone of their games, f/f just happens to benefit from it, DA games tend to lean toward straight women, except gay men didn't get any benefit from it, they always have the same number of options or lesser than other groups in DA. DAO 1 gay, straight women and men have 2, DA2 gays and everyone have 2, women have 3, DAI, women have 4, gay men have 2 just the same as everyone. ME1, ME2, no gay at all, ME3 modded from female and an off-ship, ME Andromeda, screw those queers. Quality over quantity. F/f romances in DAI sucked all the way.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 23:07:31 GMT
My eyes are bleeding :gasp: What the heck is that? Is this even... no, it is real... For the love of all the spirits and Ryncol! You haven't seen this beauty (mind spoilers but it's out of context so whateves) Seriously what happened with this game. It's like magic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 23:09:39 GMT
Sees Montreal conflicts and "bro culture".
Follows up by looking at the state of romance and disparation between straight guy romances and gay guy romances in Andromeda.
"Who'd want to push her off hehehe" says the guy who happens to be present for both asari VA recording session videos.
Yup. Makes sense to me.
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Post by ash on Mar 20, 2017 23:09:49 GMT
I would have figured at least one m/m squadmate after Kaidan. Apparently, we're not just going back to ME1 in look. It's just the ME1 treatment with some NPCs. Awesome. Even if they are well written, they are automatically going be less present in the story than the squadmates. Before anyone mentions Cullen or Josie, this is obviously a different team we're dealing with. They have a much different set of priorities, which means I ain't holding my breath for good NPC content. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt; I tried to believe that they didn't allow this "it has to make sense if they aren't straight" bullshit to color their views. At least they aren't trying to claim that Scott can't be gay this time. Suvi actually seems quite involved in the plot. She is. Gil, however, is not.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 23:10:44 GMT
Suvi actually seems quite involved in the plot. She is. Gil, however, is not. I mean shit at least Steve gave you comments after missions and dropped you off. They couldn't even have him do that much?
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Mar 20, 2017 23:10:56 GMT
I mean even if they had to remove Gil/Reyes for m/m why not have Jaal? Was that truly such a hard bone to throw? We have, what, 10 romances? Only 2 of them are M/M. I don't think the answer is to remove those 2 M/M in order to get... one M/M option. But that's just me.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 20, 2017 23:10:57 GMT
No bi Jaal mod for me, I passed through enough angst with my Warden and the inevitable US, and bi Cullen mod. So no more. No more headcanon for me. I haven't played Skyrim and I heard that you can marry lizard men, the nearest thing to an alien in my books so... It's in my to do list Oh Skyrim's where it's at!! I've happily utilized the marriage mods for Ulfric and Brynjolf, and of course prettied them up a bit as well. And thanks again to mods I'm able to play the most devastatingly handsome elves in all of Tamriel I haaave no idea what are you talking about but sounds aaaawesome and I can't wait
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 23:11:14 GMT
Sees Montreal conflicts and "bro culture". Follows up by looking at the state of romance and disparation between straight guy romances and gay guy romances in Andromeda. "Who'd want to push her off hehehe" says the guy who happens to be present for both asari VA recording session videos. Yup. Makes sense to me. That was an Edmonton guy though Seriously, I don't hate Mac as others, but that phrase is simply absurd.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 23:11:39 GMT
Gay males have the same numbers of options as lesbians in DAI. if It's leaning more toward m/m, then I don't see why marriage only available to female Inquisitor and in a game where most of the options are males, they're only available to straight females. From what I've seem, ME games lean toward straight guys in everyone of their games, f/f just happens to benefit from it, DA games tend to lean toward straight women, except gay men didn't get any benefit from it, they always have the same number of options or lesser than other groups in DA. DAO 1 gay, straight women and men have 2, DA2 gays and everyone have 2, women have 3, DAI, women have 4, gay men have 2 just the same as everyone. ME1, ME2, no gay at all, ME3 modded from female and an off-ship, ME Andromeda, screw those queers. Quality over quantity. F/f romances in DAI sucked all the way. I would say it's a matter of perspective because I find the gay options for DAI sucks, Dorian's story is basically a writer's mouthpiece to retell the same storyline about gay conversion that had been told hundreds of time which focused too much on him being gay while Iron Bull is a promiscuous bisexual and forced BDSM on you or you can't romance him, telling you that he knows what you need better than yourself. No gay marriage, and no happy ending with Dorian. At the end of the day, gay never has more options than any of the groups, not straight men, not straight women, not gay women, in ANY game, not even if you go back to Knight of the Old Republic, not even Jade Empire.
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Post by bemimi † on Mar 20, 2017 23:12:00 GMT
And the F/F options don't feel like they were designed to satisfy the male gaze like the asari shit in ME, but actually there to please WLW gamers or people who otherwise genuinely appreciate those types of relationships. Leliana She and Silk Fox are my favorites. Merrill too but I don't play lady Hawke in DA2. Finally someone else who likes Merrill!! I also play as M!Hawke tho, small world I think DA's inclusive...ness (inclusivity? what are words) is actually more because the fanbase is a lot more diverse. They put out a stat thing for DAI that said that 38% of the Inquisitors were female, which is more than double what ME3's was.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 23:12:09 GMT
I mean even if they had to remove Gil/Reyes for m/m why not have Jaal? Was that truly such a hard bone to throw? We have, what, 10 romances? Only 2 of them are M/M. I don't think the answer is to remove those 2 M/M in order to get... one M/M option. But that's just me. Fair enough.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 23:12:34 GMT
Gay males have the same numbers of options as lesbians in DAI. if It's leaning more toward m/m, then I don't see why marriage only available to female Inquisitor and in a game where most of the options are males, they're only available to straight females. From what I've seem, ME games lean toward straight guys in everyone of their games, f/f just happens to benefit from it, DA games tend to lean toward straight women, except gay men didn't get any benefit from it, they always have the same number of options or lesser than other groups in DA. DAO 1 gay, straight women and men have 2, DA2 gays and everyone have 2, women have 3, DAI, women have 4, gay men have 2 just the same as everyone. ME1, ME2, no gay at all, ME3 modded from female and an off-ship, ME Andromeda, screw those queers. Quality over quantity. F/f romances in DAI sucked all the way. That's your opinion. I've seen loads of people in love with Josie and Sera romances. The Iron Bull was super not my cup of tea, but I still acknowledge that I had him as a viable option and that a lot of m/m players were happy with him.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Mar 20, 2017 23:12:46 GMT
A bi Jaal mod really doesn't fix much because, from a gaming perspective, the game will never acknowledge or react to your relationship as it truly is (and imagine if this becomes a trilogy or something, so three games of modded scraps). And from a (dare I say it) political perspective, the glaring insult to gay men still stands. Bioware invited you to their birthday party and told you you can only have cake if you sit at a different fucking table to everyone else. Don't forget that. Yeah, but wouldnt a well done and popular bi-Jaal mod at least send a message akin to taking your table, putting it next to the guy-who-singled-you-out's seat and eat your own cake right in front of him? Maybe hell get so emberassed; you get so much support from the other guests; or both, that he lets you sit at the main table next time? Presumably while muttering apologies?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 23:13:40 GMT
Sorry, but Gil is the definition of a token gay character.
"We are trying to move away from token characters and make things feel more natural and realistic"
They really do live in a bubble.
For all the mistakes he made, I genuinely feel Casey cared.
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