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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 20, 2017 23:16:21 GMT
A bi Jaal mod really doesn't fix much because, from a gaming perspective, the game will never acknowledge or react to your relationship as it truly is (and imagine if this becomes a trilogy or something, so three games of modded scraps). And from a (dare I say it) political perspective, the glaring insult to gay men still stands. Bioware invited you to their birthday party and told you you can only have cake if you sit at a different fucking table to everyone else. Don't forget that. Yeah, but wouldnt a well done and popular bi-Jaal mod at least send a message akin to taking your table, putting it next to the guy-who-singled-you-out's seat and eat your own cake right in front of him? Maybe hell get so emberassed; you get so much support from the other guests; or both, that he lets you sit at the main table next time? Presumably while muttering apologies? Except this is basically what happened with Kaidan in the original trilogy, it took them three games to get there, and then they reverted back to their original behaviour a game later.
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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 23:16:30 GMT
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 23:16:39 GMT
I would have figured at least one m/m squadmate after Kaidan. Apparently, we're not just going back to ME1 in look. It's just the ME1 treatment with some NPCs. Awesome. Even if they are well written, they are automatically going be less present in the story than the squadmates. Before anyone mentions Cullen or Josie, this is obviously a different team we're dealing with. They have a much different set of priorities, which means I ain't holding my breath for good NPC content. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt; I tried to believe that they didn't allow this "it has to make sense if they aren't straight" bullshit to color their views. At least they aren't trying to claim that Scott can't be gay this time. Suvi actually seems quite involved in the plot. Yeah and I thought that Jaal wasn't straight. I still don't believe that they will do a good NPC. The ME:A team did very bad things to my trust here. Involved in the plot probably = She'll give you a few major quests. Have some cute lines and almost never have any new dialogue. Maybe she'll even have one cut-scene all to herself, just like Samantha did in ME3! Ooh, maybe two? I do not expect anywhere near the same level of quality as Josie or Cullen at this point. I'll be happy if I'm wrong, but so far, the ME:A team has shown that they love to take steps backward. Then look around and wonder why the fans are furious. Hell, I'm furious and I've never been the type to be an angry fan. For those that think I'm not acting like my usual self, you're right. Most of the time I try to stay upbeat and calm. It takes a lot to make me this angry and frustrated. It takes a lot, and seeing the gay/bi men that had their faith in the company has done it. For the first time in 5 years, EA-BioWare has managed to do just that. Edit: Typo
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Post by ash on Mar 20, 2017 23:17:30 GMT
She is. Gil, however, is not. I mean shit at least Steve gave you comments after missions and dropped you off. They couldn't even have him do that much? Nah. He explains you how to drive the Nomad and on that all his plot importance is over (while Suvi appeared numerous times, even if just saying a few words - at least she has it, while Gil doesn't) from what I've seen while looking at my bf playing. He already did pretty much shitton of stuff. Game appears to be really short plot-wise and apparently this "trust system" was bullshit too - he never took Liam with him, never talked to him then decided to go through all convos at once and got quick access to his loyalty and option to romance him because he simply did plot-critical points. "No, this time your romance won't be tied to the plot! Brand-new system". Yeah. Of course. Gods, for now it's like 90% of their statements are reminding me of NMS fiasco. They promised too and haven't delivered shit. Maybe in a year or two game will be finished. It isn't looking finished at all for now.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 23:18:43 GMT
*wakes up after nap to see if people have calmed down*
*sees Nat angry*
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 23:18:49 GMT
Leliana She and Silk Fox are my favorites. Merrill too but I don't play lady Hawke in DA2. Finally someone else who likes Merrill!! I also play as M!Hawke tho, small world I think DA's inclusive...ness (inclusivity? what are words) is actually more because the fanbase is a lot more diverse. They put out a stat thing for DAI that said that 38% of the Inquisitors were female, which is more than double what ME3's was. *fist bumps* Yeah I'm more of a DA fan than a ME fan I only really got into ME because it was made by BW and Meer won me over. (Even if i was a forever alone Shep).
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 23:18:53 GMT
Gay males have the same numbers of options as lesbians in DAI. if It's leaning more toward m/m, then I don't see why marriage only available to female Inquisitor and in a game where most of the options are males, they're only available to straight females. From what I've seem, ME games lean toward straight guys in everyone of their games, f/f just happens to benefit from it, DA games tend to lean toward straight women, except gay men didn't get any benefit from it, they always have the same number of options or lesser than other groups in DA. DAO 1 gay, straight women and men have 2, DA2 gays and everyone have 2, women have 3, DAI, women have 4, gay men have 2 just the same as everyone. ME1, ME2, no gay at all, ME3 modded from female and an off-ship, ME Andromeda, screw those queers. Quality over quantity. F/f romances in DAI sucked all the way. Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 23:20:54 GMT
Ok, so I am downloading Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3.
Out of curiosity I typed in the male protagonist and Zevran's romance on YouTube, since I know Zevran is a bi option for male and female I think?
Now unless this is a PC mod or something, this romance scene is so much better than MEA's scraps. I know it's a different team but... this was what, 2009???
If that is a genuine scene, and not a mod, then I think I've might the right choice playing this over MEA.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 23:21:45 GMT
I mean shit at least Steve gave you comments after missions and dropped you off. They couldn't even have him do that much? Nah. He explains you how to drive the Nomad and on that all his plot importance is over *while Suvi appeared numerous times) from what I've seen while looking at my bf playing. He already did pretty much shitton of stuff (game appears to be really short plot-wise and apparently this "trust system" was bullshit too - he never took Liam with him, never talked to him then decided to go through all convos at once and got quick access to his loyalty and option to romance him because he simply did plot-critical points. "No, this time your romance won't be tied to plot! Brand-new system". Yeah. Of course. Gods, for now it's like 90% of their statements are reminding me of NMS fiasco. They promised too and haven't delivered shit. Maybe in a year or two game will be finished. It isn't looking finished at all for now. Eww that's shit. Also the game's short? Fuck me. Another reason I prefer BW game's linear. They were decent length and honest about it instead of this oooh 100 hours of collectathon bullshit and 12 hours if you do the main shit. Man what a disappointment. I feel more let down than I was by fallout 4. Least I can mod that shit to hell and build epic houses.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 20, 2017 23:22:20 GMT
Quality over quantity. F/f romances in DAI sucked all the way. I would say it's a matter of perspective because I find the gay options for DAI sucks, Dorian's story is basically a writer's mouthpiece to retell the same storyline about gay conversion that had been told hundreds of time which focused too much on him being gay while Iron Bull is a promiscuous bisexual and forced BDSM on you or you can't romance him, telling you that he knows what you need better than yourself. No gay marriage, and no happy ending with Dorian. At the end of the day, gay never has more options than any of the groups, not straight men, not straight women, not gay women, in ANY game, not even if you go back to Knight of the Old Republic, not even Jade Empire. It wasn't about gay conversion. It was about Dorian accepting "his place" in Tevinter society. He was to be a stud to the brood mare chosen for him as an ongoing part of the Imperium's eugenics program to create "the perfect mage" DOrian was expected to go along with it (just as his parents did) "for the good of the Imperium" But Dorian wasn't going to do that. His goal is to reform the Imperium. It's what mage him a pariah. Make him straight, he still wouldn't have complied with his father's wishes. Thus the blood magic. TO make him compliant, not straight. You could even talk with him about it after the mission, ask him if the ritual could have worked. He admits he doesn't know, but even if it did "I can't even imagine the person I would be now. I wouldn't like that Dorian" Not something he'd say if all it did was make him straight.
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Post by ash on Mar 20, 2017 23:22:26 GMT
Ok, so I am downloading Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3. Out of curiosity I typed in the male protagonist and Zevran's romance on YouTube, since I know Zevran is a bi option for male and female I think? Now unless this is a PC mod or something, this romance scene is so much better than MEA's scraps. I know it's a different team but... this was what, 2009??? If that is a genuine scene, and not a mod, then I think I've might the right choice playing this over MEA. Genuine.
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Post by uberlurker on Mar 20, 2017 23:22:45 GMT
So, is Reyes a full romance? Like with an achievement and everything? The datamined files said that he doesn't go towards the achievement.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 23:23:26 GMT
Ok, so I am downloading Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3. Out of curiosity I typed in the male protagonist and Zevran's romance on YouTube, since I know Zevran is a bi option for male and female I think? Now unless this is a PC mod or something, this romance scene is so much better than MEA's scraps. I know it's a different team but... this was what, 2009??? If that is a genuine scene, and not a mod, then I think I've might the right choice playing this over MEA. Never did it, but one part seemed modded to me. Edit: fair enough, it's vanilla game.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 20, 2017 23:24:01 GMT
Ok, so I am downloading Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3. Out of curiosity I typed in the male protagonist and Zevran's romance on YouTube, since I know Zevran is a bi option for male and female I think? Now unless this is a PC mod or something, this romance scene is so much better than MEA's scraps. I know it's a different team but... this was what, 2009??? If that is a genuine scene, and not a mod, then I think I've might the right choice playing this over MEA. I think the sex scenes might be a little modded to be less hilarious because they're not nearly as awkward as I remember (and I'm replaying DAO so I saw Zev's sex scene just last week) but skimmed through that video to check the dialogue and yeah, that's how it goes. Edit: Also if you prefer, you can approach Zevran for sex first instead of waiting for his massage come-on
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 23:24:06 GMT
*wakes up after nap to see if people have calmed down* *sees Nat angry* Can you guess that I just heard the bad news? I promise everyone I will be calmer. You guys need a bit of a calmer and more hopeful voice. We'll get through this. If those that are upset (hiya!), start putting emails and tweets together. Open up Notepad or google docs for it. Wording is extremely critical. I'm angry, but I also know that these are just human beings. I also know that they don't mean to make some folks feel like shit. I'm hoping this will be something they can learn from. I'm also trying to remember that not everyone on this team is a long-time BioWare employee. Some are brand new to the company. Some have gone into the ME:A team with a much different perspective. So I am trying very hard to cut them a little slack here. The only one that I will probably be bitter towards in the long run is one Mr. Mac "Gotta bang da Asari" Waters. The buck stopped with him. So he looked at a coded and detailed Jaal romance and decided, "Nope! Now give me my blue space babe." Seriously, Mac's love with Asari reminds me of Quentin Tarantino's foot fetish.
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 20, 2017 23:24:17 GMT
Personally I would change this to "friendship ended with Mass Effect, now Dragon Age is my friend". Problem is I dislike fantasy most of the time. If you can make an exception for Dragon Age take it. Literally everything Mass Effect does wrong about LGBT content Dragon Age does right.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2017 23:24:38 GMT
Ok, so I am downloading Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3. Out of curiosity I typed in the male protagonist and Zevran's romance on YouTube, since I know Zevran is a bi option for male and female I think? Now unless this is a PC mod or something, this romance scene is so much better than MEA's scraps. I know it's a different team but... this was what, 2009??? If that is a genuine scene, and not a mod, then I think I've might the right choice playing this over MEA. It's a sad day when the Dragon Age: Origins romance scenes are hailed as better. Yes, that is a genuine scene from the game. I'm glad you are looking into Dragon Age.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 23:24:48 GMT
Ok, so I am downloading Dragon Age: Origins on my PS3. Out of curiosity I typed in the male protagonist and Zevran's romance on YouTube, since I know Zevran is a bi option for male and female I think? Now unless this is a PC mod or something, this romance scene is so much better than MEA's scraps. I know it's a different team but... this was what, 2009??? If that is a genuine scene, and not a mod, then I think I've might the right choice playing this over MEA. Yep, that's the scene. No mods. Pro-tip: If you play human or dwarf, you top. If you play elf, Zev tops.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 23:25:08 GMT
Sorry, but Gil is the definition of a token gay character. "We are trying to move away from token characters and make things feel more natural and realistic" They really do live in a bubble. For all the mistakes he made, I genuinely feel Casey cared. Why do you think he's a "token gay character"? I've seen this said a few times now and I'm not understanding this nor the claim (made by someone else, I think) that his whole story revolves around being gay. I mean, I know you don't like Gil. But what exactly is this claim based on?
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 20, 2017 23:25:59 GMT
The only one that I will probably be bitter towards in the long run is one Mr. Mac "Gotta bang da Asari" Waters. The buck stopped with him. So he looked at a coded and detailed Jaal romance and decided, "Nope! Now give me my blue space babe." Seriously, Mac's love with Asari reminds me of Quentin Tarantino's foot fetish. I'm screaming. I blame you for my neighbors thinking I'm crazy. XD
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 20, 2017 23:26:14 GMT
At least with Fallout 4, they don't treat gay people as some kind of disease that need to be hidden away. I'll give them that. There is even a lesbian couple before the bomb drop.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 20, 2017 23:26:21 GMT
Morning all, how are we today?
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 23:26:28 GMT
So, is Reyes a full romance? Like with an achievement and everything? The datamined files said that he doesn't go towards the achievement. It didn't say anything conclusive, since the dataminers couldn't find much of his code, but also the info from that was wrong about Jaal, so. lol I think he's probably a full romance. If he's not, jeez, I guess m/m is screwed even more than the "two options" we've been quoting. I think he probably is, though. He looks to have as much or more content than Gil.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 23:26:29 GMT
Oh my god, and the male elf even has a different love scene with Zevran, like... wow those scenes completely top anything ME has ever done.
Why the hell has it taken me so damn long to play Dragon Age.
It's like I've found God.
(Please tell those scenes are in the PS3 version and it's not a mod please)
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Post by Artemis on Mar 20, 2017 23:28:17 GMT
Sorry, but Gil is the definition of a token gay character. "We are trying to move away from token characters and make things feel more natural and realistic" They really do live in a bubble. For all the mistakes he made, I genuinely feel Casey cared. Why do you think he's a "token gay character"? I've seen this said a few times now and I'm not understanding this nor the claim (made by someone else, I think) that his whole story revolves around being gay. I mean, I know you don't like Gil. But what exactly is this claim based on? Honestly, I agree with Prince. He is the only representative of his demographic. He is not given the same consideration in terms of writing (less content) and appearance (CC) as other romance options. He appears to be solely there to satisfy a quota as he does not seem to add much to the story (according to ashesborn, I think). The only thing that may keep him from serving as "token" is that he does not appear, thankfully, to be a trope or stereotype of his demographic.
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