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Post by DalyaTheTurtle on Mar 20, 2017 23:51:29 GMT
Fair warning, he might at one point tell you he kinda prefers ladies..... hey its still bioware. Pffffftttt the fact that positions are changed and dependent on whether you are human or elf is better than anything ME ever did. And I saw Morrigan... questioned my sexuality there for a sec... gunna be so hard to choose, it's like ME2 all over again where I have to stay single for Kaidan in ME3, but Yvonne/Miranda is like one of the only woman I'd go straight for fml Morrigan is bae and she's plot relevant sooo...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 20, 2017 23:51:43 GMT
Oh look, Gil and Suvi don't even have pictures in the Prima Guide. Lovely. I guess I'll just add this to my list of "things that don't exactly fill me with confidence that the crew options are as important as the squad" And can someone explain the difference between "Culminates in unique friendship, opening unique content, with additional option for exclusivity" and "Culminates in exclusive romance", please? My guess is the former are ones that can be casual or allow you to romance other people or become exclusive whereas the latter is you can only romance them.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 20, 2017 23:51:51 GMT
Okay, I didn't really say that his whole story revolves around being gay. I do think his romance really puts a lot of emphasis on the homosexuality, weirdly enough lol. See, look at the gay guys and their romances/stories so far that we've gotten from BW
1) Steve -> dead husband, getting over dead husband 2) Dorian -> daddy doesn't accept my sexuality 3) Gil -> lets become daddies and make it perfectly clear we cant have children without a third wheel
a lot of these stories put a lot of emphasis on the '' being gay '' thing, and especially Gil's seems so detached from the actual game and it's plot that it's almost weird and out of place. A lot of the times, these characters do seem like they are gay first, characters later, whether it comes to their story or their romance. I know I'm picky, but it's also why I seem to gravitate more towards bisexual males in BW games, because there is none of that gay profiling in their story or romance.
By all means, love Gil, his story, his romance, everything about him. I'm not very into him and some of his romance weirds me out. Dude, yes, this. In the space of one game he goes from a rakeish 'I take it as it comes, I don't settle down, I just do' to 'let's have a kid and be a big gay family with my hag, 22 year old guy I've started dating!' It's just...bizarre tonally when in context of the Mass Effect series. When I watched the 'let's have a kid' scene I had to double take. It's totally bizarre when it comes to ME. You know what it feels like? They wrote a '' revolutionary '' story and put all the eggs in the basket called Gil and called it a day, that's enough for gay guys right? While first, it really sounded spectacular, but the more you think about it and the more you realize this is Mass Effect, it makes no goddamn sense. It's shoddy, it's weird, it's way too fast. You know what they could've done and made Gil's romance THAT MUCH BETTER?
Remove the baby thing, and allocate more time on making Gil more plot relevant. Make the romance feel like it takes place in the world of Mass Effect instead of gay soap opera. There should be some conflict, tender moments, a realization of love, yadayada. Then, the final scene, Gil says '' So, we've been together for quite some time now.. I love you, I really do and.. I was thinking, would you ever consider, in the future... starting a family with me? '' Boom, hearts melt everywhere, such a heartfelt thing to say. And to this, your Ryder can say '' Oh my god Gil, of course I would '' or '' I have my hands full of Gil Brodie, I think I'll be just fine with just you, and me, together forever '' and boom. Amazing, emotional, and a choice that gives you some freedom to roleplay and headcanon what happens afterwards. It's that easy.
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Post by darkrogue on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:05 GMT
My eyes are bleeding :gasp: What the heck is that? Is this even... no, it is real... For the love of all the spirits and Ryncol! This is Watch Dogs all over again. smh :poop:
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Post by Suaimhneas on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:09 GMT
Fair warning, he might at one point tell you he kinda prefers ladies..... hey its still bioware. Pffffftttt the fact that positions are changed and dependent on whether you are human or elf is better than anything ME ever did. And I saw Morrigan... questioned my sexuality there for a sec... gunna be so hard to choose, it's like ME2 all over again where I have to stay single for Kaidan in ME3, but Yvonne/Miranda is like one of the only woman I'd go straight for fml Morrigan is so wonderfully cynical, bring her with Alistair and just enjoy her mocking him the entire time.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:26 GMT
I was talking to Gamble and other fans about a recent article that declared some romances straight and how upset the community was by this backwards move. For example, the article said Liam was 100% straight and said a "No homo" statement to broRyder, and the player seemed convinced with no evidence that Jaal was open to both Ryders, which goes against previous leaks and just was confusing everyone. The set of tweets were mainly about having an m/m squadmate and how important it is since f/f and f/m squadmates are available. We asked for clarification and received none because, well, that's how the devs operate. You know, I was attacked once by a horde of angry people (mostly fans of Dragon Age) after stating gay and straight people had to to have mutual respect. Just because I used the term homo - which, in my native idiom ISN'T OFFENSIVE -, they lashed out at me as if I were a male aggressor or something. How could I be a male aggressor if I'm a woman and a survivor of 18 years of domestic violence? And some of those people where not even gay. They were hetero women. In a traditional hetero marriage. Without any experience of a gay relationship. Wanting to teach me a lesson on how to talk about LGBT rights. Here in my country, it's normal to say you're homo if you're gay, man or woman. Homosexuals call themselves homo and expect heteros to call them like that as well.That's when I realized some people were using the LGBT movement and feminism to play the victim card whenever it was convenient. Such as to verbally abuse people who didn't share their ideas or who disagreed with them. I mean, assaulting a person because of one word? Which isn't even offensive in their culture? Someone who dealt with domestic violence for years? Whose country has one of the highest rates of murder commited against women by their husbands? Seriously? A pity that's what the minority rights movements became. Back in the 60s, women didn't victimise themselves. There wasn't any of this "safe space" talk or speeches like "all males are potential sexual aggressors". Women didn't hate men. What they wanted was simply to be treated as an equal within the marriage, in work environments and other social arenas. They fought back against the patriarchy by working hard, demanding the fulfillment of their rights as described in the Constitution. Their efforts created new possibilities for future generations. The first feminists would hear an insult from a conservative man, shrug it off and dismiss it with a clever remark. Simply because she needed no validation from anyone. She owned herself. Nowadays, it's all about "I'm a victim, you can't call me by certain names or you're hostilizing me/you're an aggressor driven by patriarchal values/you're a rapist/nazi/whatever".
I don't know. I didn't learn to be a feminist by insulting and persecuting people who had a different system of belief. I learned that being a feminist was about enlightening yourself, studying the philosophy behind the movement, coming to understand and identify the patriarchal values ingrained in our society and learning how to deconstruct those values within yourself.
It was about fighting for social rights, such as the right to vote, ending gender segregation at work and in academic spaces, educating your children to respect both genders, defending other women AND MEN against the harm done by a patriarchal society, not complaining about being oppressed every five minutes, hating men and/or heterosexuals and persecuting anyone who disagreed with my ideology. I don't hate men, but your rant makes me want to hate men.
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Post by Crim on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:37 GMT
Oh look, Gil and Suvi don't even have pictures in the Prima Guide. Lovely. I guess I'll just add this to my list of "things that don't exactly fill me with confidence that the crew options are as important as the squad" And can someone explain the difference between "Culminates in unique friendship, opening unique content, with additional option for exclusivity" and "Culminates in exclusive romance", please? I'm gonna guess teh gays™ will get the fade to black treatment here my friend. Cos, reasons, can't have a love scene cos, reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:44 GMT
Omfg this game is my dream why the hell have I never played it i found religion omg but it kinda sad knowing this game did romance scenes and LGBT better (imo) than andromeda lmao your conversion to Zevranism is legit one of the bright spots of this thread for me, thank you for that The thirst is real. He is my new waifu.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:44 GMT
Okay, I didn't really say that his whole story revolves around being gay. I do think his romance really puts a lot of emphasis on the homosexuality, weirdly enough lol. See, look at the gay guys and their romances/stories so far that we've gotten from BW
1) Steve -> dead husband, getting over dead husband 2) Dorian -> daddy doesn't accept my sexuality 3) Gil -> lets become daddies and make it perfectly clear we cant have children without a third wheel
a lot of these stories put a lot of emphasis on the '' being gay '' thing, and especially Gil's seems so detached from the actual game and it's plot that it's almost weird and out of place. A lot of the times, these characters do seem like they are gay first, characters later, whether it comes to their story or their romance. I know I'm picky, but it's also why I seem to gravitate more towards bisexual males in BW games, because there is none of that gay profiling in their story or romance.
By all means, love Gil, his story, his romance, everything about him. I'm not very into him and some of his romance weirds me out. Dude, yes, this. In the space of one game he goes from a rakeish 'I take it as it comes, I don't settle down, I just do' to 'let's have a kid and be a big gay family with my hag, 22 year old guy I've started dating!' It's just...bizarre tonally when in context of the Mass Effect series. When I watched the 'let's have a kid' scene I had to double take. I didn't even have a problem with the "gay dads" element until I saw how it played out. It's basically like Gil's whole romance is building up to asking about it, but very little really getting to know him or him having any impact on the plot or world. I would have been alright with it if you had built a strong, deep connection over the course of the game and there was a conversation about having kids near the end, even with an agreement that you should or shouldn't. But the whole romance seems like a thin skeleton leading up to that question.
I also really hate that they made Jill such a focus of the relationship. It eats up so much time hearing what Jill said, what Jill thinks. They should have just talked about adoption or a normal surrogate if they wanted kids. This doesn't even feel like they're talking about being parents, since Jill is going to have the baby with her and mostly raise it. I said this somewhere else, but it feels like they don't think two men can parent alone. They have to have a mom still to do most of the work. I don't want to share a baby with a third wheel. It's just a huge mess to me between feeling super rushed and just being so not how I would consider co-parenting with my partner. It's a huge let down.
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Post by byne on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:45 GMT
I'd also like to bring the fact they made straight squadmate's romance literally the best - both with the equality and lenght. Just look at this (and I'm quoting myself from Cora's topic): Someone posted those pannels with lists about LIs. I've counted positions on them and it goes: teammates: Cora 15 PB 10 Vetra 10 Liam 9 Jaal 8 others: Reyes 14 Suvi 6 Gil 5 Avela 4 Not in all of them you have flirt options, that's true. But it looks like this is how many times you'll find new dialogue options with them. The only real "rival" to Cora is Reyes with 14 positions, but he's not a part of the team. Looks to me like Reyes proves non squadmate romances CAN compare to squad romances, BW just generally chooses not to give them equal attention.
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Post by izut on Mar 20, 2017 23:52:57 GMT
I'll put my rant under the spoiler just in case - nothing major is "spoiled", but some things regarding "how it feels" are said and I have to mention how things happen. I'm salty, but not enough to just throw some random shit at game. But it seriously looks like "very early build" from the looks of it in the best case. Not regarding graphics (even if I still don't get why 2016 footage had better graphics, better light, better animations, better basically everything) - I'm talking about their plot. Like... it was one big beautiful picture and then somebody used too much scissors on it. You arrive at Aya, everything looks nice and plot-ey... for the first 5 seconds. Angara even speak angaran. Then suddenly, without any explanation given, they start to understand you and you start to understand them (btw, they said "we will explain how you can understand them" but this has yet to happen in bf's game - it was explained regarding kett and remnants, but not about angara and SAM is silent about it too). Angara lady leads you to resistance quarters, nobody likes you, nobody knows you. And then boom - everybody is suddenly asking for your assistance, everybody is talking to you, angara peeps on other planets, even ones without any methods of communication somehow know you are the human pathfinder. One moment they talk like you're an alien, invader, nobody knows shit about you and the next second everybody suddenly know who humans are. Not explained yet too and I think it's a bit too late now with Kadara almost finished and being after Aya happens. And things like this happen on a constant basis - something looks like "yes, finally, logical things happening" and then it's gone. Everything switches to completely another state with no explanation. This looks really bad. Did you play with the patch? If not then maybe they filled some blanks with it?
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Post by pucchi on Mar 20, 2017 23:53:14 GMT
Erm... guys? I really REALLY don't want to revive the flames of rage, but there's a new small piece of contradictory info.
Sorry if this has been posted before.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Mar 20, 2017 23:54:47 GMT
The negative reviews now can't be attributed to SJW, considered how the sexual minorities are being treated by this game. The lesson here is, people don't hate Bioware games because of those yucky queers, they hate it because Bioware games' quality has fallen. They decide to go for open world now, and the game's plot is very short, most of the time, it will be random side quest that make it long. I think you're underestimating some people's eagerness to attribute everything they don't like to SJWs.
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Post by cratto on Mar 20, 2017 23:54:58 GMT
I really don't get the achievement.
That's a conscious decision and they (the Mass Effect team) made it.
Either they made it earlier and choose to exclude a group of gamers or they made it late and just didn't notice or care that they were excluding a group of gamers. It just doesn't make sense!
I'm sure they'll explain it through artistic integrity or you can play as an alternative character (a gay woman, straight man, straight woman and get the achievement) but that I think that's pretty bloody awful. And sadly, given this game will sell, they probably don't care!
I think the writing may have been on the wall when the devs said that they wanted a characters sexuality to be natural for that character and not come out of left field and they'd rather have that than re-think a character for the sake of balance.
But I think that smacks of bad writing (and I'm guilty of a lot of bad writing!)
I (attempt) to write and when creating characters sexuality is fundamental to that process. You design a character that is straight or gay or bi or trans so it should never come out of left field. It should always be natural to that character! The reveal might come as a surprise to the audience or another character. The Crying Game is a great example of this. It never feels unnatural that Jaye Davidson's Dil is trans and it doesn't feel unnatural that Stephen Rea's Fergus falls for Dil. But when it is revealed that Dil is trans does come as a surprise (though there are hints) to the audience and Fergus. Would Bioware argue that it comes out of left field and shouldn't be done or should they accept that good writing allows the audience to understand and develop as the characters do.
You could say this character is gay. It's a part of who he/she is. It might not be the most important part or even fundamental to their storyline (it could be someone seeking a new life, a coward who finds their courage) or their personality (they could be evil or good, charismatic or shy, loud and annoying or out and a nice person). In the end, it doesn't matter if that reveal is a surprise. It's natural because you've decided that that's who they are.
And if you don't want to create a wealth of gay characters, then don't. That's fine. But firstly, don't tease and big up your inclusiveness; secondly, don't purposely set a condition that gay gamers can't achieve; and thirdly, don't assume that your 'main' audience (assuming they mean straight gamers like me) won't like it.
But then again, this is Mass Effect. You couldn't get the Paramour achievement in Mass Effect 2 with a same sex pairing because Shepherd wasn't gay. This is also a company that said homosexuality doesn't exist in Star Wars (and then gave a 'Gay Planet' and still haven't given a gay character in SWTOR (bi yes, gay male or female no).
I mean even Disney has gay characters now as does, reportedly, the new Power Rangers movie! Though it will be interesting to see how they tackle the Major in Ghost in the Shell (who is bisexual, I imagine it will it will be alluded to but she'll end up either with no one or a man).
That was bit of an all over the place moan. Sorry.
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Post by conanzms on Mar 20, 2017 23:55:40 GMT
Erm... guys? I really REALLY don't want to revive the flames of rage, but there's a new small piece of contradictory info. Sorry if this has been posted before. Yeah, I'm gonna take that promise with about 10 tons of salt
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Post by lightdrago3 on Mar 20, 2017 23:56:00 GMT
I'd also like to bring the fact they made straight squadmate's romance literally the best - both with the equality and lenght. Just look at this (and I'm quoting myself from Cora's topic): Someone posted those pannels with lists about LIs. I've counted positions on them and it goes: teammates: Cora 15 PB 10 Vetra 10 Liam 9 Jaal 8 others: Reyes 14 Suvi 6 Gil 5 Avela 4 Not in all of them you have flirt options, that's true. But it looks like this is how many times you'll find new dialogue options with them. The only real "rival" to Cora is Reyes with 14 positions, but he's not a part of the team. Looks to me like Reyes proves non squadmate romances CAN compare to squad romances, BW just generally chooses not to give them equal attention. Really? From what I'm gathering from this thread, Reyes isn't very substantial.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 20, 2017 23:56:11 GMT
The negative reviews now can't be attributed to SJW, considered how the sexual minorities are being treated by this game. The lesson here is, people don't hate Bioware games because of those yucky queers, they hate it because Bioware games' quality has fallen. They decide to go for open world now, and the game's plot is very short, most of the time, it will be random side quest that make it long. I think you're underestimating some people's eagerness to attribute everything they don't like to SJWs. I mean in all the reviews I've read no one has brought up SJW's as a reason to rate the game lower
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 20, 2017 23:56:14 GMT
Erm... guys? I really REALLY don't want to revive the flames of rage, but there's a new small piece of contradictory info. Sorry if this has been posted before. Can someone please get the devs to confirm what Jaal's sexuality is? I don't think any of us can handle any more false alarms.
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Post by Salty Drell on Mar 20, 2017 23:56:19 GMT
Do I have to resort to fanfiction? Like, I almost wrote M!Shep/Garrus back in the day because otherwise it didn't exist, but I want characters to be accurate to their own personality and I felt I could never do Garrus justice. So am I going to have to do that for Jaal now too? I've already read some Scott/Jaal. I will be reading more.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Mar 20, 2017 23:56:41 GMT
Zevran appreciation always makes me happy. Yeah, Zev's a gem. I like him more than Leliana to be honest. But then again, im the straight guy whos favourite romances are Zevran, Anders, Solas and Thane, so make of that what you will. (And Javik, if you count Citadel. My FemSheps one true love lol)
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 23:56:56 GMT
Erm... guys? I really REALLY don't want to revive the flames of rage, but there's a new small piece of contradictory info. Sorry if this has been posted before. Will this ever end?
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Post by Lady Artifice on Mar 20, 2017 23:57:01 GMT
Reyes...has one of the highest flirt counts?
There is no gif hopeful enough right now.
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Post by ash on Mar 20, 2017 23:58:16 GMT
I'll put my rant under the spoiler just in case - nothing major is "spoiled", but some things regarding "how it feels" are said and I have to mention how things happen. I'm salty, but not enough to just throw some random shit at game. But it seriously looks like "very early build" from the looks of it in the best case. Not regarding graphics (even if I still don't get why 2016 footage had better graphics, better light, better animations, better basically everything) - I'm talking about their plot. Like... it was one big beautiful picture and then somebody used too much scissors on it. You arrive at Aya, everything looks nice and plot-ey... for the first 5 seconds. Angara even speak angaran. Then suddenly, without any explanation given, they start to understand you and you start to understand them (btw, they said "we will explain how you can understand them" but this has yet to happen in bf's game - it was explained regarding kett and remnants, but not about angara and SAM is silent about it too). Angara lady leads you to resistance quarters, nobody likes you, nobody knows you. And then boom - everybody is suddenly asking for your assistance, everybody is talking to you, angara peeps on other planets, even ones without any methods of communication somehow know you are the human pathfinder. One moment they talk like you're an alien, invader, nobody knows shit about you and the next second everybody suddenly know who humans are. Not explained yet too and I think it's a bit too late now with Kadara almost finished and being after Aya happens. And things like this happen on a constant basis - something looks like "yes, finally, logical things happening" and then it's gone. Everything switches to completely another state with no explanation. This looks really bad. Did you play with the patch? If not then maybe they filled some blanks with it? Yes, he has all available patches applied. He's playing digital version via origin, it won't launch without them. Those are real things that happen in released game. That Bioware considered to be "done enough" to release.
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Post by Natashina on Mar 20, 2017 23:58:20 GMT
Erm... guys? I really REALLY don't want to revive the flames of rage, but there's a new small piece of contradictory info. Sorry if this has been posted before. This isn't directed at you, promise. As for the tweet...
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