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Post by dhalion on Mar 21, 2017 1:21:56 GMT
And now Mr. Starkles is saying "Jaal isn't officially bi, but he's receptive to Ryder flirts for a majority of the game." So they made a male version of Cassandra?? I mean if it's a bug, fine. I'll be be mad, but a programming error isn't queerbaiting. But if they really just made a male alien version of Cassandra I'm going to be pissed all over again. They outright promised they wouldn't do this. Edit: I know you probably know that but they HAVE to say something heartfelt about this, because this whole thing has been just plain mean. This isn't the first thing they've lied about. They said only beards would be gender-locked, but m/f Ryders have totally different sets of hair. Either nobody knows what the fuck is going on in their own game or they're liars, both of those are not good
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 1:22:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 1:22:33 GMT
I'm not taking any flirts with Jaal. I already hurt enough. If recruiting him was only optional I would probably skip it, and then recruit him on my second run when I can enjoy his character without all the battle scars of this prelaunch shitfuckeryhellabadmarketing.
Though as it stands I have to recruit him from the sounds of it, so I shall try to give him a fair chance at being best friends with male Ryder, but no-not one single flirt. Just gonna stick with Gil!
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Post by riou on Mar 21, 2017 1:23:12 GMT
Okay so, apparently the statement Starkles got from the devs is, and I quote:
"Jaal should turn down Scott."
The datamine basically just miraculously exposed a programming oversight.
Congratulations, we baited ourselves for...a while now I guess?
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Post by Natashina on Mar 21, 2017 1:24:21 GMT
Inquisition had a trans character too and it was handled way better then this random NPC lady... It reminds me of the Baldur's Gate Enhanced game. See, in a recent patch they added a transgendered person as a vendor NPC. They do the same thing. Introduce themselves and mention their previous gender. I can probably throw a character into a google doc and put something better together. And I'm not a writer working for one of the bigger AAA companies out there. I had a scary thought guys. What if Jaal is meant to be an asexual romance towards Scott? It would make sense, especially if someone hasn't actually researched into it. Deep friendship, no sex, maybe some hugs? That sounds like it's probably considered an asexual romance. Nevermind that asexuals love affection, like holding hands or each other. Man, this is sounding more like a clusterfuck by the minute. Next time, just rip the bandaid off and get the orientation out of the way earlier. All at once too, not leaving fans to go crazy for months.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Mar 21, 2017 1:25:22 GMT
Okay so, apparently the statement Starkles got from the devs is, and I quote: "Jaal should turn down Scott." The datamine basically just miraculously exposed a programming oversight. Congratulations, we baited ourselves for...a while now I guess? LOL, wow totally true!
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 21, 2017 1:25:48 GMT
On a side note, we suddenly discovered that it looks like literally every asari in game but Peebee uses the same face Lexi does. Mass Effect never changes. Not really, it got worse. Asari weren't Carbon copies of each other, with different skin and tattoos. There were at least a few different models that they used.
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Post by lightdrago3 on Mar 21, 2017 1:25:50 GMT
Ian said he was going to answer M/M romance questions on the 21 right? I guess we all know what questions are going to be asked first, and in great abundance as well...
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Post by conanzms on Mar 21, 2017 1:26:34 GMT
Okay so, apparently the statement Starkles got from the devs is, and I quote: "Jaal should turn down Scott." The datamine basically just miraculously exposed a programming oversight. Congratulations, we baited ourselves for...a while now I guess?
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 21, 2017 1:26:56 GMT
I'm ready for Tevinter.
Pls give us rebellions and Mae and a gay dwarf, these are 100% proven to heal broken hearts.
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Post by thesnarkyshaman on Mar 21, 2017 1:27:17 GMT
The Mass Effect 2 drama was far more severe (and deservedly so. No m/m and some offensive comments from devs about why male Shepard couldn't be gay).Ugh, I wasn't in the forums/stalking the internet for ME trilogy stuff when it was coming out, do I even want to know? Basically as stated. When the romances were FINALLY revealed and people questioned the lack of m/m once more one of the leads (Casey Hudson?) was like 'Shepard is more of a predetermined character than what we've done before, he's just not gay'. Unless he's a woman. Then he can be gay. He can be a gay woman. Of course, this comes with a lot of offensive implications and is generally utterly flawed and stupid and this was pointed out and perhaps helped get us bi Kaidan and Steve (don't worry Steve, I love you).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 1:27:56 GMT
That trans woman? Yikes. I mean, positive points for trying to include a trans woman. But that....... is a little cringeworthy. It's what someone might write if they didn't actually know a trans person.
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 21, 2017 1:28:28 GMT
It's going to take me some time to figure out if the fact that Jaal was never meant to be bi makes things better or worse.
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Post by Kian on Mar 21, 2017 1:28:30 GMT
Ian said he was going to answer M/M romance questions on the 21 right? I guess we all know what questions are going to be asked first, and in great abundance as well... You already have a sample of what kind of answers to expect from Bioware through that Sparkles dummie on Twitter. "There's a fuckload of queer all over DUH" Also, Bioware is listening and cares: Michael Gamble @gamblemikeWow. @masseffect launches to the world in a few short hours. It's been so long since I've said that. Let's continue to tell stories together
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Post by brendanrouth on Mar 21, 2017 1:28:43 GMT
Ian said he was going to answer M/M romance questions on the 21 right? I guess we all know what questions are going to be asked first, and in great abundance as well... Bitch I'm going to be there front and fucking center. www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/see.gif
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Post by ShakespeareInSpace on Mar 21, 2017 1:30:26 GMT
Yeah...I'm cynical enough to believe that Starkle twitter guy is trying to capitalise on the controversy. He twittered he could f*uck Jaal as male Ryder then reverts back to "oh I flirted with him."
So which is it? He actual got a sex romance scene or just flirted back and forth with no culmination or explanation from Jaal saying something about "So...where's this going?"
His tweets are too ambiguous and inconsistent. I'm not impressed with his apparent lack of empathy.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 21, 2017 1:30:28 GMT
On the bright side, thanks to Andromeda the ME3 endings won't matter anymore. Mission accomplished, I guess? At this rate we'll have a ME4 which time travels us to save Shepard from the endings as we join him to explore the Milky Way.
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Post by dhalion on Mar 21, 2017 1:30:36 GMT
I'm ready for Tevinter. Pls give us rebellions and Mae and a gay dwarf, these are 100% proven to heal broken hearts. I've been itching for gay dwarves in DA for SO DAMN LONG! Especially male ones, there is not a single known non-straight male dwarf in DA unless you play as one, dwarf LIs pls bioware
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Post by Artemis on Mar 21, 2017 1:30:48 GMT
That trans woman? Yikes. I mean, positive points for trying to include a trans woman. But that....... is a little cringeworthy. It's what someone might write if they didn't actually know a trans person. Insert demographic, basically. Someone else pointed out the scene where Cora crosses her arms over her pert bewbs. Um, no female human does that. Ever. I mean, who makes such a bizarre mistake??
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Post by ash on Mar 21, 2017 1:31:27 GMT
On a side note, we suddenly discovered that it looks like literally every asari in game but Peebee uses the same face Lexi does. Mass Effect never changes. Not really, it got worse. Asari weren't Carbon copies of each other, with different skin and tattoos. There were at least a few different models that they used. I was about to say that I'm talking about ME1-2 times with same thing about "no gays in squad allowed" but then I remembered Aria and Samara/Morinth. And Liara ofc, but she's a Peebee case. Honestly, everything looks simply worse. ME1 had more planets to land on. They were shitty but at the same time had less fetch quests and at least Mako was jumpy and funny.
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Post by bemimi † on Mar 21, 2017 1:31:34 GMT
I'm ready for Tevinter. Pls give us rebellions and Mae and a gay dwarf, these are 100% proven to heal broken hearts. I'm a bit worried on how they might handle Mae tbh...but I have some faith in Weekes all our hopes are on you, bby
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 21, 2017 1:32:13 GMT
That trans woman? Yikes. I mean, positive points for trying to include a trans woman. But that....... is a little cringeworthy. It's what someone might write if they didn't actually know a trans person. Jien Garson was voiced by a trans woman, wasn't she? And she got an offscreen death so....
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Post by dhalion on Mar 21, 2017 1:32:33 GMT
Ugh, I wasn't in the forums/stalking the internet for ME trilogy stuff when it was coming out, do I even want to know? Basically as stated. When the romances were FINALLY revealed and people questioned the lack of m/m once more one of the leads (Casey Hudson?) was like 'Shepard is more of a predetermined character than what we've done before, he's just not gay'. Unless he's a woman. Then he can be gay. He can be a gay woman. Of course, this comes with a lot of offensive implications and is generally utterly flawed and stupid and this was pointed out and perhaps helped get us bi Kaidan and Steve (don't worry Steve, I love you). Hawke was very much a predetermined character too and you can still be gay/bi At least we got Kaidan at the end, I guess that's... something.
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Post by MrSlothy on Mar 21, 2017 1:32:54 GMT
i just don't know what to say. i knew all along NPC romances will never be on equal footing with squad but actually having ONE THIRD of romantic content? FIVE talks with gil? it boggles the mind that bio talks about equal content. i mean what the hell, am i supposed to be fooled? hello bioware, i'm gay, not retarded! i kind of don't have energy to be angry, it all seems so predictable. the only shock is jaal being straight. although i had no interest in him, i feel bitter about this exclusion. i was convinced he would be bi and i'm truly sorry, not just for the equal distribution, but for all you that wanted to romance him as scott... i don't want bioware or mea to fail, i feel sorry for all the hard working people there that probably invested a lot care into the game. i just don't understand this total dishonesty and deflectiona and acting like they have NO IDEA what we talk about when we say the content distribution is uneven. can somebody just say: "we see where you're coming from, and you have a point. we'll try to improve." if nothing else, for all the frustration, this thread has been supportive. it is weirdly gratifying to share the pain with other people and see your thoughts reflected in so many other posts.
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Post by riou on Mar 21, 2017 1:33:02 GMT
That trans woman? Yikes. I mean, positive points for trying to include a trans woman. But that....... is a little cringeworthy. It's what someone might write if they didn't actually know a trans person. Jien Garson was voiced by a trans woman, wasn't she? And she got an offscreen death so.... But being voiced by a trans woman doesn't mean the character was trans. So I wouldn't count that for anything.
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